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So many myths dominate American discourse today and religion is one of the big sticks.

“the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

"Speaking at a rally on the steps of the U.S. Capitol on May 16, 1920, Baptist theologian George Washington Truett proudly declared that the separation of church and state was “preeminently a Baptist achievement.”

Perspective | I know Roy Moore. He’s always been a con artist.


"The Real Origins of the Religious Right - They’ll tell you it was abortion. Sorry, the historical record’s clear: It was segregation.""

The Real Origins of the Religious Right


"But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools."

"The abuse of women and girls is the most pervasive and unaddressed human rights violation on earth." Jimmy Carter

"Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey
 
So many myths dominate American discourse today and religion is one of the big sticks.

“the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

"Speaking at a rally on the steps of the U.S. Capitol on May 16, 1920, Baptist theologian George Washington Truett proudly declared that the separation of church and state was “preeminently a Baptist achievement.”

Perspective | I know Roy Moore. He’s always been a con artist.


"The Real Origins of the Religious Right - They’ll tell you it was abortion. Sorry, the historical record’s clear: It was segregation.""

The Real Origins of the Religious Right


"But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools."

"The abuse of women and girls is the most pervasive and unaddressed human rights violation on earth." Jimmy Carter

"Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey
/----/ "“the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”" Sure Sparky: “their Creator,” in “they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights” and “Laws of Nature and of Nature's God” near the beginning of the Declaration refer to God;

And in the Federalist papers: Federal Theology: God & Federalist Papers
On one hand the authors expressed their faith-based beliefs but on the other hand they forged ahead in making certain that religion would not be permitted to divide the people or to otherwise tyrannize any individual or group.

However, by their very example in writing the Federalist Papers, its authors showed that while government may not make any law respecting an establishment of religion, expressions of faith-based beliefs are natural and wholesome whether in government or among the populace, the only criteria in government being to steadfastly remain within the expressed bounds of both the letter and spirit of the second amendment law.
 
America was indeed founded on Christian principles. After the very first president was elected, he and all of Congress spent the rest of the day, on their knees, in a Christian church, asking God to bless this Nation, and guide them to do His will. And God did. In abundance.
Praying to Him was never in doubt or questioned when Congress convened. And it wasn't for show, or a lack of political correctness, or to push an agenda. It was Christian men wanting God's help in creating a nation. Not only was it NOT separated from their governance, it was an integral part of it.

Separation of church and state was to protect the church from government interference, as was the case in England. It in no way was meant to keep God out of our government. Here is the proof of that:
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America was indeed founded on Christian principles. After the very first president was elected, he and all of Congress spent the rest of the day, on their knees, in a Christian church, asking God to bless this Nation, and guide them to do His will. And God did. In abundance.
Praying to Him was never in doubt or questioned when Congress convened. And it wasn't for show, or a lack of political correctness, or to push an agenda. It was Christian men wanting God's help in creating a nation. Not only was it NOT separated from their governance, it was an integral part of it.

Separation of church and state was to protect the church from government interference, as was the case in England. It in no way was meant to keep God out of our government. Here is the proof of that:
The-first-prayer-in-congress-september-1774.jpg


ap_19918068793_wide-fa90c639dc729bb378c2ce4ca1a1c5dec3b55590-s900-c85.jpg

Prayer.jpg

Separation of Church and State was to ensure freedom of religion, not just Christianity. It was not to protect the church from the government, but to protect the gov from the church.
 
America was indeed founded on Christian principles. After the very first president was elected, he and all of Congress spent the rest of the day, on their knees, in a Christian church, asking God to bless this Nation, and guide them to do His will. And God did. In abundance.
Praying to Him was never in doubt or questioned when Congress convened. And it wasn't for show, or a lack of political correctness, or to push an agenda. It was Christian men wanting God's help in creating a nation. Not only was it NOT separated from their governance, it was an integral part of it.

Separation of church and state was to protect the church from government interference, as was the case in England. It in no way was meant to keep God out of our government. Here is the proof of that:
The-first-prayer-in-congress-september-1774.jpg


ap_19918068793_wide-fa90c639dc729bb378c2ce4ca1a1c5dec3b55590-s900-c85.jpg

Prayer.jpg

Do you see everyone in your two above pictures are white.
 
America was indeed founded on Christian principles. After the very first president was elected, he and all of Congress spent the rest of the day, on their knees, in a Christian church, asking God to bless this Nation, and guide them to do His will. And God did. In abundance.
Praying to Him was never in doubt or questioned when Congress convened. And it wasn't for show, or a lack of political correctness, or to push an agenda. It was Christian men wanting God's help in creating a nation. Not only was it NOT separated from their governance, it was an integral part of it.

Separation of church and state was to protect the church from government interference, as was the case in England. It in no way was meant to keep God out of our government. Here is the proof of that:
The-first-prayer-in-congress-september-1774.jpg


ap_19918068793_wide-fa90c639dc729bb378c2ce4ca1a1c5dec3b55590-s900-c85.jpg

Prayer.jpg

Separation of Church and State was to ensure freedom of religion, not just Christianity. It was not to protect the church from the government, but to protect the gov from the church.


If you are right then they would have all been guilty of breaking their own law.
Do you disbelieve that there was a first prayer in Congress? Did you miss who it was addressed to? They reiterate at the end, and took possession of God's Son as their Savior.
While, with respect to religion, covers all churches and members of a said group,
They made it very apparent which God they were praying to and asking for guidance from.
Color has nothing to do with the OP. Which has been proven to be incorrect.
 
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The myth of America being “founded on the Christian religion” is one of the more pernicious lies propagated by the right.

Conservatives use this lie to justify their opposition to the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate, and to justify their hostility toward the privacy rights of women.
 
America was indeed founded on Christian principles. After the very first president was elected, he and all of Congress spent the rest of the day, on their knees, in a Christian church, asking God to bless this Nation, and guide them to do His will. And God did. In abundance.
Praying to Him was never in doubt or questioned when Congress convened. And it wasn't for show, or a lack of political correctness, or to push an agenda. It was Christian men wanting God's help in creating a nation. Not only was it NOT separated from their governance, it was an integral part of it.

Separation of church and state was to protect the church from government interference, as was the case in England. It in no way was meant to keep God out of our government. Here is the proof of that:
The-first-prayer-in-congress-september-1774.jpg


ap_19918068793_wide-fa90c639dc729bb378c2ce4ca1a1c5dec3b55590-s900-c85.jpg

Prayer.jpg

Separation of Church and State was to ensure freedom of religion, not just Christianity. It was not to protect the church from the government, but to protect the gov from the church.
The Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate was intended to ensure that citizens not be subject to the fear, hate, bigotry, and discrimination that is often the consequence of religion, where the First Amendment prohibits government from codifying religious doctrine and dogma into secular law all citizens must obey, laws that would be used to exclude religious minorities – or those free from faith – from political participation and discourse.
 
America was indeed founded on Christian principles. After the very first president was elected, he and all of Congress spent the rest of the day, on their knees, in a Christian church, asking God to bless this Nation, and guide them to do His will. And God did. In abundance.
Praying to Him was never in doubt or questioned when Congress convened. And it wasn't for show, or a lack of political correctness, or to push an agenda. It was Christian men wanting God's help in creating a nation. Not only was it NOT separated from their governance, it was an integral part of it.

Separation of church and state was to protect the church from government interference, as was the case in England. It in no way was meant to keep God out of our government. Here is the proof of that:
The-first-prayer-in-congress-september-1774.jpg


ap_19918068793_wide-fa90c639dc729bb378c2ce4ca1a1c5dec3b55590-s900-c85.jpg

Prayer.jpg

Separation of Church and State was to ensure freedom of religion, not just Christianity. It was not to protect the church from the government, but to protect the gov from the church.


If you are right then they would have all been guilty of breaking their own law.
Do you disbelieve that there was a first prayer in Congress? Did you miss who it was addressed to? They reiterate at the end, and took possession of God's Son as their Savior.
While, with respect to religion, covers all churches and members of a said group,
They made it very apparent which God they were praying to and asking for guidance from.
Color has nothing to do with the OP. Which has been proven to be incorrect.

Who was it addressed to, Creator, Providence?
 
How can one have freedom of religion , if one didn't have separation of church and state, answer me that. It can't be. We are not a theocracy.

Religion and Politics

The Church of England was favored by England's landowning elite, and parliament's House of Lords was an Anglican preserve. The Tory party was also called the 'Church' party. Religious pluralism had been legalized, but the Blasphemy Act of 1698 had made denial of the Trinity punishable by imprisonment. Denying that Christianity was the truth or denying the authority of the Scriptures was also illegal. But these laws were rarely invoked. In England, the last execution for heresy had been in the early 1600s, and the last to have been executed in Scotland for heresy was a nineteen year-old student at Edinburgh in 1698.

From 1710 to 1714, conservatives tried to revive the union between the state and the Church of England. They feared that if people were left free to choose their religion there would be a dramatic spread of Dissenters. Also they thought that religious disunity was an affront to God, that it threatened the salvation of individuals and national security. Some Anglican conservatives also blamed crime and vice on religious disunity. The conservatives failed to pass their legislation, but to the surprise of the conservatives the number of Dissenters (those other than Anglican) remained stagnant. The Church of England remained dominant in rural England, in the universities and in grammar schools, while the Dissenters remained strongest in the cities and the middle class. And from the Anglicans a small new denomination emerged. Two Anglicans at Oxford University, John Wesley and George Whitefield, started a movement dedicated to nurturing spirituality through prayers, devotional readings, self-examination, fasting, frequent communion and good works, which won them the nickname of Methodist.

Catholics remained a persecuted minority, largely clustered in remote parts of the country, as Protestants remained fearful of plots to bring Catholicism back via England's enemies abroad – Spain or France.

Britain in the mid-1700s

This is why there is separation of church and state.
 
Lies, genocide and real estate theft. Just like part two : IsNtReal. The Brits were almost as successful......ALMOST
 
So many myths dominate American discourse today and religion is one of the big sticks.

“the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

"Speaking at a rally on the steps of the U.S. Capitol on May 16, 1920, Baptist theologian George Washington Truett proudly declared that the separation of church and state was “preeminently a Baptist achievement.”

Perspective | I know Roy Moore. He’s always been a con artist.


"The Real Origins of the Religious Right - They’ll tell you it was abortion. Sorry, the historical record’s clear: It was segregation.""

The Real Origins of the Religious Right


"But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools."

"The abuse of women and girls is the most pervasive and unaddressed human rights violation on earth." Jimmy Carter

"Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey
We've already discussed this nonsense at length years ago.
 
So many myths dominate American discourse today and religion is one of the big sticks.

“the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

"Speaking at a rally on the steps of the U.S. Capitol on May 16, 1920, Baptist theologian George Washington Truett proudly declared that the separation of church and state was “preeminently a Baptist achievement.”

Perspective | I know Roy Moore. He’s always been a con artist.


"The Real Origins of the Religious Right - They’ll tell you it was abortion. Sorry, the historical record’s clear: It was segregation.""

The Real Origins of the Religious Right


"But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools."

"The abuse of women and girls is the most pervasive and unaddressed human rights violation on earth." Jimmy Carter

"Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey
it was founded by the freemasons whose religion is luciferianism
 
America was indeed founded on Christian principles. After the very first president was elected, he and all of Congress spent the rest of the day, on their knees, in a Christian church, asking God to bless this Nation, and guide them to do His will. And God did. In abundance.
Praying to Him was never in doubt or questioned when Congress convened. And it wasn't for show, or a lack of political correctness, or to push an agenda. It was Christian men wanting God's help in creating a nation. Not only was it NOT separated from their governance, it was an integral part of it.

Separation of church and state was to protect the church from government interference, as was the case in England. It in no way was meant to keep God out of our government. Here is the proof of that:
The-first-prayer-in-congress-september-1774.jpg


ap_19918068793_wide-fa90c639dc729bb378c2ce4ca1a1c5dec3b55590-s900-c85.jpg

Prayer.jpg
People who own human beings are not Christians and neither are the tiki torch carrying scum who give the Hitler salute.
 

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