America Wants the Public Option

[Joe Steel]

America stills wants the public option.

Despite all the bickering over health care, all the distortion and misrepresentation of the tea baggers, all the obstruction of the Republicans, Americans want the public option. Startlingly, that includes a majority of those who want the recent legislation repealed.

A new national survey conducted between April 6th and 10th by researchers from Indiana University’s Center for Health Policy and Professionalism Research (CHPPR) finds that while 58% of Americans support repealing the law a majority of those that favor repeal want Congress to pass more liberal legislation that includes a public option:

When asked how important they thought it was for Congress to work on “establishment of a public option that would give individuals a choice between government provided health insurance or private health insurance,” 67 percent of Americans rated this as an important topic to address. This finding is even more striking given the fact that 59 percent of those in favor of repealing the health care reform legislation rated the public option as important to pursue. Another surprise is that 67 percent of Republicans and 59 percent of Independents also agreed that the public option was an important topic to be addressed by Congress.​

POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option

 

[CrusaderFrank]

America Wants the Public Option

That must be why you kept the Kennedy Seat...oh, wait!

 

[Joe Steel]

America Wants the Public Option

That must be why you kept the Kennedy Seat...oh, wait!

The Democrats lost that seat because they were insufficiently zealous in pursuing the mandate they were given. Scott Brown won because Democrats stayed home and they stayed home because the Democrats they sent to Washington were too willing to compromise with the Republicans.

The moral of the story is this: Americans want Big Government health care. If the Democrats give it to them, Democrats willl win elections. If they don't, the Republicans will win elections.

 

[martybegan]

Polls like this and even the one about health care repeal are close to useless. It is all in the wording, and if a spoken poll, the inflection of the questioning.

The only poll that counts is in november. Before that polls are only quasi-real numbers that are used to make your opinion look popular.

 

[Joe Steel]

Polls like this and even the one about health care repeal are close to useless. It is all in the wording, and if a spoken poll, the inflection of the questioning.

The only poll that counts is in november. Before that polls are only quasi-real numbers that are used to make your opinion look popular.

Sure. A single poll doesn't mean much but that's not the case here. This poll is consistent with other polls. Americans want a much more coherent and responsive health care system.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Since when do you fucking dimmy progressives care what the people want?

 

[rightwinger]

Give it time...

Let the existing Healthcare law settle in and then attack the Public Option in 2011 or 2012.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Give it time...

Let the existing Healthcare law settle in and then attack the Public Option in 2011 or 2012.

Why bother? it'll happen by attrition anyway once the so called health care reform bill puts the price of insurance through the roof.

The the benevolent government can deem we need to buy our insurance from AIG.

 

[martybegan]

Polls like this and even the one about health care repeal are close to useless. It is all in the wording, and if a spoken poll, the inflection of the questioning.

The only poll that counts is in november. Before that polls are only quasi-real numbers that are used to make your opinion look popular.

Sure. A single poll doesn't mean much but that's not the case here. This poll is consistent with other polls. Americans want a much more coherent and responsive health care system.

My concern isnt even with multiple polls. Its that the person asking the question has too many tricks to skewer the results to what they want to hear. How you ask the question, your tone, the area you ask in all make for too many variables.

Now electoral polls are different, there your choice is between people. For topic polls, lets see how many ways we can ask the same question.

1. Are you in favor of a pubic option
2. Are you against a public option

Two basic variations. now we can add stuff.

Are you in favor of a public option, funded by federal taxes, that competes with private insurers?

Are you in favor of a public option, run by the government using the same rules as a private insurer?

Then ask the same questions using the negative. Im sure you will get various results outside the MOE. Then add when you call during the day. At noon when its mostly the unemployed, housewives and retirees at home? At night when people come home from work? Using cell phones that skew ownership towards younger people?

I can go on with the permutations used in poll questions you can use to get the numbers you want.

 

[Joe Steel]

Polls like this and even the one about health care repeal are close to useless. It is all in the wording, and if a spoken poll, the inflection of the questioning.

The only poll that counts is in november. Before that polls are only quasi-real numbers that are used to make your opinion look popular.

Sure. A single poll doesn't mean much but that's not the case here. This poll is consistent with other polls. Americans want a much more coherent and responsive health care system.

My concern isnt even with multiple polls. Its that the person asking the question has too many tricks to skewer the results to what they want to hear.

That's right. That's why no single poll can be considered a reliable indicator of public opinion. Based on the assumption not every poll and not every pollster will frame questions in the same way, a reliable perspective on public opinion has to include more than one poll. That's the case with health care. Poll after poll indicates Americans want a public alternative to free-market health care.

 

[Joe Steel]

Give it time...

Let the existing Healthcare law settle in and then attack the Public Option in 2011 or 2012.

That's pretty much the way I look at it. The new law is terrible but it was the best we could get. Let's let it settle for awhile and then go for the public option.

 

[saveliberty]

No Joe, they don't like your crap program period:


A new Associated Press-GfK poll finds Americans oppose the health care remake 50 percent to 39 percent. Before a divided Congress finally passed the bill and Obama signed it at a jubilant White House ceremony last month, public opinion was about evenly split. Another 10 percent of Americans say they are neutral.

Disapproval for Obama's handling of health care also increased from 46 percent before the bill passed to 52 percent currently — a level not seen since last summer's angry town hall meetings.

AP-GfK Poll: Resistance to health care bill strong - Yahoo! News

Even Waxman's witch hunt had to go away. Just a bunch of tools and fools.

 

[Joe Steel]

No Joe, they don't like your crap program period:

A new Associated Press-GfK poll finds Americans oppose the health care remake 50 percent to 39 percent. Before a divided Congress finally passed the bill and Obama signed it at a jubilant White House ceremony last month, public opinion was about evenly split. Another 10 percent of Americans say they are neutral.

Disapproval for Obama's handling of health care also increased from 46 percent before the bill passed to 52 percent currently — a level not seen since last summer's angry town hall meetings.

AP-GfK Poll: Resistance to health care bill strong - Yahoo! News

Even Waxman's witch hunt had to go away. Just a bunch of tools and fools.

The results are not inconsistent. Many of those who opposed the recently-passed health care bill were a significant number who opposed it because it didn't go far enough. At a minimum, it should have had a public option. Universal, single-payer would have been better.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Since when do you fucking dimmy progressives care what the people want?

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[Christopher]

America stills wants the public option.

Despite all the bickering over health care, all the distortion and misrepresentation of the tea baggers, all the obstruction of the Republicans, Americans want the public option. Startlingly, that includes a majority of those who want the recent legislation repealed.

A new national survey conducted between April 6th and 10th by researchers from Indiana University’s Center for Health Policy and Professionalism Research (CHPPR) finds that while 58% of Americans support repealing the law a majority of those that favor repeal want Congress to pass more liberal legislation that includes a public option:

When asked how important they thought it was for Congress to work on “establishment of a public option that would give individuals a choice between government provided health insurance or private health insurance,” 67 percent of Americans rated this as an important topic to address. This finding is even more striking given the fact that 59 percent of those in favor of repealing the health care reform legislation rated the public option as important to pursue. Another surprise is that 67 percent of Republicans and 59 percent of Independents also agreed that the public option was an important topic to be addressed by Congress.​

POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option

This does not surprise me. As a nation, we have become more selfish and tend to want the government to provide us with more entitlement programs.

 

[saveliberty]

No Joe, they don't like your crap program period:

A new Associated Press-GfK poll finds Americans oppose the health care remake 50 percent to 39 percent. Before a divided Congress finally passed the bill and Obama signed it at a jubilant White House ceremony last month, public opinion was about evenly split. Another 10 percent of Americans say they are neutral.

Disapproval for Obama's handling of health care also increased from 46 percent before the bill passed to 52 percent currently — a level not seen since last summer's angry town hall meetings.

AP-GfK Poll: Resistance to health care bill strong - Yahoo! News

Even Waxman's witch hunt had to go away. Just a bunch of tools and fools.

The results are not inconsistent. Many of those who opposed the recently-passed health care bill were a significant number who opposed it because it didn't go far enough. At a minimum, it should have had a public option. Universal, single-payer would have been better.

Massachusetts taught you fools nothing and I am being to doubt even a solid drubbing in November will wake you from your stupor.

 

[Zona]

Give it time...

Let the existing Healthcare law settle in and then attack the Public Option in 2011 or 2012.

Dont give out strategy away? This is exactly the plan.

 

[jeffrockit]

Give it time...

Let the existing Healthcare law settle in and then attack the Public Option in 2011 or 2012.

That's pretty much the way I look at it. The new law is terrible but it was the best we could get. Let's let it settle for awhile and then go for the public option.

If "the best we could get" is terrible, your bar must be set pretty low. America used to be about exceptionalism but not so much anymore. Why can't the best we can get be the best? Letting it settle for a while will not do as expected and make people forget how bad it is especially when the costs begin to rise. I realize the govt's plan is to have the system fail so that they can step in with the govt option while stating that they tried to give the private HC companies a chance. If this is what they mean by transparency, I see it.

As the partisan divide widens, the govt gains more and more power and we lose more freedoms. Is total govt control what you envision America to be? If so, why?

 

[emilynghiem]

America stills wants the public option.

Despite all the bickering over health care, all the distortion and misrepresentation of the tea baggers, all the obstruction of the Republicans, Americans want the public option. Startlingly, that includes a majority of those who want the recent legislation repealed.

A new national survey conducted between April 6th and 10th by researchers from Indiana University’s Center for Health Policy and Professionalism Research (CHPPR) finds that while 58% of Americans support repealing the law a majority of those that favor repeal want Congress to pass more liberal legislation that includes a public option:

When asked how important they thought it was for Congress to work on “establishment of a public option that would give individuals a choice between government provided health insurance or private health insurance,” 67 percent of Americans rated this as an important topic to address. This finding is even more striking given the fact that 59 percent of those in favor of repealing the health care reform legislation rated the public option as important to pursue. Another surprise is that 67 percent of Republicans and 59 percent of Independents also agreed that the public option was an important topic to be addressed by Congress.​

POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option

Yes, it seems the main "urgency" in this bill was to pass SOMETHING
and force it to be fixed after the fact. It seems to be a political ploy to force this issue to stay on the table instead of failing and being shuffled away.
1. the high risk pool would be created first
[question: if this was so urgent to help immediate cases of life and death, what were other options proposed to provide for this besides mandates, taxes, or fines?]

2. how the concept of a public OPTION turned into MANDATED private insurance, I have no idea. but clearly the idea of mandates (and the IRS involvement) should be repealed, and go back to making this an OPTION. Which the participants can voluntarily pay into and leave others out of it. (NOTE: some people don't want this at all, because there is still the fear that an unchecked government funded plan would undercut private services which couldn't compete with a service that can run at a loss and let taxes keep footing the bill. that is a valid argument, so I think the bill was pushed as is to force the issue at all. it's the same annoying strategy of making excessive demands, more than is called for, so when the other side talks you down, then you get what you wanted in the first place. I don't agree with abusing lawmaking process this way; and believe that any laws made should be Constitutionally sound, and not just compromises to try to push the other side.)

 

[Claudette]

Well there certainly was no reform in this giant clusterfuck.

I can't understand why anyone would want the Clowns in DC in charge of their healthcare.

Govt, in it entire history, has never done anything cheaply or well and yet some think they could run HC?? Dream on dudes!!!

All you will have is a giant beurocracy.Panels and waiting lists. Mountains of red tape and paperwork.

These folks actually think Govt will be running HC cheaply and well?? LMAO on that one for sure. Jeeze.