All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[Hollie]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: What is your point?

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43

(COMMENT)

This does not diminish any "Civil or Political Right" of the Israeli People.

(QUESTION)

Just what national independence, territorial integrity, national unity, and sovereignty is being interrupted or denied to the Arab Palestinian People by an outside interference?

(IMPORTANCE)

IF you are talking about Palestine, as you commonly refer to it (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south), THEN Israel does not represent an outside influence and the Israelis represent the majority population in Palestine.

IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.

(∑)

So, help an old man understand what it is that is being said or implied...

The non-binding resolution A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 comes some 15 years AFTER the 1967 Six-Day War (laws are not retroactively applied). And is overtaken by the events of 1988 when the binding decision by the Jordanians to cut all ties to the territory held west of the Jordan River. It is overtaken by the Oslo Accords (the mid-1990s).

Furthermore, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which is a "BINDING PART" of the core to Human Rights Law (HRL) (which your citation behind A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 is NOT) does not make a distinction or grant some special rights to the Arab Palestinians and not to the Israelis. All peoples (including the Israelis) have the right of self-determination. And by virtue of that right the Israelis can determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development (without interference from the BDS external influence).

Most Respectfully,
R

IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.

Israel is an undefined blob inside Palestine that imposes its "sovereignty" at the point of a gun.

Link?

Look at any map of Israel. It is defined by the 1949 armistice lines.

1) The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

2) Israel does not recognize them as its borders.

So, where exactly, is Israel?

1. How many more times does that profoundly nonsensical tirade need to be addressed?

2. let’s refer you to multiple times you have been given agreements entered into between Israel and Arab nations establishing boundaries.

I never did see that list of “new states” you claim were created by the Treaty of Lausanne. Maybe the Israeli borders are defined there.

Take a look and get back to me. Otherwise, if you ask your friends in Hamas and the PA, they can tell you where Israel is located.

Arab nations establishing boundaries.

Arab nations have no authority over Palestine's boundaries.

What boundaries?

Hint: this is where you do your “Treaty of Lausanne” song and dance.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It’s quite simple Tinmore. Israel either exists or it doesn’t. Israel is either a sovereign state with defined territory and internationally recognized borders or it isn’t. There is nothing in between.

Where does Israel declare its borders?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is almost self-explanatory...

It’s quite simple Tinmore. Israel either exists or it doesn’t. Israel is either a sovereign state with defined territory and internationally recognized borders or it isn’t. There is nothing in between.

Where does Israel declare its borders?
Link?

(COMMENT)

This has been answered so many times, It should be IGNORED as a valid question. (Asked and Answered)

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION for clarification)

Where do the Arab Palestinians exercise "sovereign authority?" The question is "WHERE" do the Arab Palestinians exercise the ultimate authority in the decision-making process of the state?

​

sovereignty In political theory, the ultimate authority in the decision-making process of the state and in the maintenance of order. In 16thcentury​

France JEAN BODIN used the concept of sovereignty to bolster the power of the king over his feudal lords, heralding the transition from FEUDALISM​

to NATIONALISM. By the end of the 18th century, the concept of the SOCIAL CONTRACT led to the idea of popular sovereignty, or sovereignty of​

the people, through an organized government. The HAGUE CONVENTIONS, the GENEVA CONVENTIONS, and the UNITED NATIONS all have restricted the actions of sovereign countries in the international arena, as has INTERNATIONAL LAW.​

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Palestine biblical Canaan Region, at the eastern end of the MEDITERRANEAN SEA. It extends east to the JORDAN RIVER, north to the border between​

Israel and Lebanon, west to the Mediterranean, and south to the NEGEV desert, reaching the Gulf of AQABA. The political status and geographic area​

designated by the term have changed considerably over the course of three millennia. The eastern boundary has been particularly fluid, often understood as lying east of the Jordan and extending at times to the edge of the ARABIAN DESERT. A land of sharp contrasts, Palestine includes the DEAD SEA, the lowest natural point of elevation on Earth, and mountain peaks higher than 2,000 ft (610 m) above sea level. In the 20th and 21st centuries it has been the object of conflicting claims by Jewish and Arab national movements. The region is sacred to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Settled since early prehistoric times, mainly by Semitic groups, it was occupied in biblical times by the kingdoms of Israel, JUDAH, and JUDAEA. It was subsequently held by virtually every power of the Middle East, including the Assyrians, Persians, Romans, Byzantines, Crusaders, and Ottomans. It was governed by Britain under a League of Nations mandate from the end of World War I (1914–18) until 1948, when the State of Israel was proclaimed. Armies from Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, and Iraq attacked the next day. They were defeated by the Israeli army. See ISRAEL, JORDAN, WEST BANK, and GAZA STRIP for the later history of the region.​

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

It’s quite simple Tinmore. Israel either exists or it doesn’t. Israel is either a sovereign state with defined territory and internationally recognized borders or it isn’t. There is nothing in between.

Where does Israel declare its borders?

Link?

This is an honest question and not an insult: Do you have trouble remembering things? I have lost count how many times I have posted links to Israel’s borders.
You know the answer very well , stop acting childish.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian child injured by settlers in Ramallah

Three-year-old Palestinian child, Jad Alaa Sawafta, was wounded on Thursday evening after a group of Jewish settlers attacked his father’s vehicle near the entrance to Burqa village, northeast of Ramallah.

english.palinfo.com

 

[Hollie]

Palestinian child injured by settlers in Ramallah

Three-year-old Palestinian child, Jad Alaa Sawafta, was wounded on Thursday evening after a group of Jewish settlers attacked his father’s vehicle near the entrance to Burqa village, northeast of Ramallah.

english.palinfo.com

If this is true, what are his payment options as a part of the Islamic terrorist "pay a martyr'' plan?

 

[Hollie]

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?

Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?

Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?

Link?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestinian child injured by settlers in Ramallah

Three-year-old Palestinian child, Jad Alaa Sawafta, was wounded on Thursday evening after a group of Jewish settlers attacked his father’s vehicle near the entrance to Burqa village, northeast of Ramallah.

english.palinfo.com

Outrageous!!

Only Arabs are allowed to throw stones at cars.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: If you are a reader and cannot actually find a sovereign Palestine, then you are in good company...

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?
Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?
Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?
Link?

(REFERENCE)

(COMMENT)

Prior to 2013, "Palestine" was NOT identified as a STATE or a COUNTRY.
Prior to 2013, Palestinian Authorities could NOT be identified as a GOVERNMENT.
So said the UN Office of Legal Affairs...

You are in good company. So, if there is a State or a Country with a Government, it must have evolved into existence since 2013.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: If you are a reader and cannot actually find a sovereign Palestine, then you are in good company...

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?
Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?
Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?
Link?

(REFERENCE)
View attachment 447449
(COMMENT)

Prior to 2013, "Palestine" was NOT identified as a STATE or a COUNTRY.
Prior to 2013, Palestinian Authorities could NOT be identified as a GOVERNMENT.
So said the UN Office of Legal Affairs...

You are in good company. So, if there is a State or a Country with a Government, it must have evolved into existence since 2013.

Most Respectfully,
R

I would LOVE to see Tinmore’s “rebuttal” for this one . Another great post Rocco !

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: If you are a reader and cannot actually find a sovereign Palestine, then you are in good company...

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?
Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?
Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?
Link?

(REFERENCE)
View attachment 447449
(COMMENT)

Prior to 2013, "Palestine" was NOT identified as a STATE or a COUNTRY.
Prior to 2013, Palestinian Authorities could NOT be identified as a GOVERNMENT.
So said the UN Office of Legal Affairs...

You are in good company. So, if there is a State or a Country with a Government, it must have evolved into existence since 2013.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not so. The Treaty of Lausanne referred to the territories where the territory was transferred as states. The League of nations recognized Palestine as a state. Several court rulings determined that Palestine was a state. In 1932 the US entered into a trade agreement with Palestine, an agreements that can only be made between states. Palestine has international borders, a nationality, and citizens. Passports were issued.

Israeli propaganda has stated a gazillion times that there never was a Palestine. This is the only thing that most people have ever heard. They believe it withou looking at actual history.

 

[toastman]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: If you are a reader and cannot actually find a sovereign Palestine, then you are in good company...

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?
Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?
Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?
Link?

(REFERENCE)
View attachment 447449
(COMMENT)

Prior to 2013, "Palestine" was NOT identified as a STATE or a COUNTRY.
Prior to 2013, Palestinian Authorities could NOT be identified as a GOVERNMENT.
So said the UN Office of Legal Affairs...

You are in good company. So, if there is a State or a Country with a Government, it must have evolved into existence since 2013.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not so. The Treaty of Lausanne referred to the territories where the territory was transferred as states. The League of nations recognized Palestine as a state. Several court rulings determined that Palestine was a state. In 1932 the US entered into a trade agreement with Palestine, an agreements that can only be made between states. Palestine has international borders, a nationality, and citizens. Passports were issued.

Israeli propaganda has stated a gazillion times that there never was a Palestine. This is the only thing that most people have ever heard. They believe it withou looking at actual history.

Quite the opposite, it is the Palestinians that make up history. They claim they were a state and try to distort history.

BTW, where is your link that proves the Treaty of Lausanne refers to Palestine as a state?
Also, if Palestine was a state in 1932, why did they declare independence in 1948, AFTER Israel did?

I suspect that if and when you respond to my post , you will not answer any of my questions ...

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: If you are a reader and cannot actually find a sovereign Palestine, then you are in good company...

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?
Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?
Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?
Link?

(REFERENCE)
View attachment 447449
(COMMENT)

Prior to 2013, "Palestine" was NOT identified as a STATE or a COUNTRY.
Prior to 2013, Palestinian Authorities could NOT be identified as a GOVERNMENT.
So said the UN Office of Legal Affairs...

You are in good company. So, if there is a State or a Country with a Government, it must have evolved into existence since 2013.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not so. The Treaty of Lausanne referred to the territories where the territory was transferred as states. The League of nations recognized Palestine as a state. Several court rulings determined that Palestine was a state. In 1932 the US entered into a trade agreement with Palestine, an agreements that can only be made between states. Palestine has international borders, a nationality, and citizens. Passports were issued.

Israeli propaganda has stated a gazillion times that there never was a Palestine. This is the only thing that most people have ever heard. They believe it withou looking at actual history.

Quite the opposite, it is the Palestinians that make up history. They claim they were a state and try to distort history.

BTW, where is your link that proves the Treaty of Lausanne refers to Palestine as a state?
Also, if Palestine was a state in 1932, why did they declare independence in 1948, AFTER Israel did?

I suspect that if and when you respond to my post , you will not answer any of my questions ...

Quite the opposite, it is the Palestinians that make up history. They claim they were a state and try to distort history.

There is nothing in my post that says that the Palestinians claim to be a state.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: You get this wrong every time.

Not so. The Treaty of Lausanne referred to the territories where the territory was transferred as states. The League of nations recognized Palestine as a state. Several court rulings determined that Palestine was a state. In 1932 the US entered into a trade agreement with Palestine, an agreements that can only be made between states. Palestine has international borders, a nationality, and citizens. Passports were issued.

Israeli propaganda has stated a gazillion times that there never was a Palestine. This is the only thing that most people have ever heard. They believe it withou looking at actual history.

(COMMENT)

◈ POINT ONE:

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The Treaty does NOT identify Palestine as a transferred state. You are referring to Article 30 on "Nationality." It says that whatever the territory finally turns out to be, the habitual residents will pickup that nationality.​

​

◈ POINT TWO:

The League of Nations did NOT give recognition to Palestine as a State. While there were provisional states under consideration, Palestine was not one of them.​

◈ POINT THREE:

​

The US had a number of agreements in the Middle East and having to do with the "Government of Palestine" through Great Britain: (Documents 144-213). The British Government had, by Mandate, had been entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of Palestine. To that end, the US dealt with the British Civil Administration on rights, treaties and other agreements dealing with Palestine.​

• Efforts to maintain American capitulatory rights in Palestine pending agreement by treaty regarding the British mandate (Documents 144-151)
• Negotiations to ensure by treaty the rights of the United States in territories under British mandate(Documents 152-155)
  • B mandates(Documents 152-153)
  • C mandates (Documents 154-155)

Palestine (Government of) had such borders as defined by agreements between the Allied Powers to distinguish one Mandate Territory from another.​

◈ POINT FOUR:

It was the British Civil Administration of Palestine that was responsible for enacting a nationality law. Palestinian citizenship was in the form such as prescribed by the High Commissioner. From 1922 until the end of the Mandate in 1948, the British High Commissioner governed Palestine with exclusively British officials. The Arab Palestinians rejected all offers of participation in the establishment of self-governing entities.​

◈ POINT FIVE:

There was no such thing as a Palestinian Passport during the period of the Mandate. They were "British" Passports issued under the authority of the High Commissioner; available to citizens of the British Mandate.​

(∑)

On the matter of historical interpretation, I think it is the pro-Palestinians that have perpetuated the misinformation that the territory subject to the Mandate for Palestine was a "State" or a "Country." It is just a matter of desperation that the pro-Palestinians grasp as these straws that they try their best to manipulate in their favor. But you will not find one single trace of a "functional" Palestinian-manned Government during the period of the Mandate. It was all British.

The legal memorandum covering this interpretation is out there for everyone to read. It could not be more revealing.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: If you are a reader and cannot actually find a sovereign Palestine, then you are in good company...

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?
Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?
Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?
Link?

(REFERENCE)
View attachment 447449
(COMMENT)

Prior to 2013, "Palestine" was NOT identified as a STATE or a COUNTRY.
Prior to 2013, Palestinian Authorities could NOT be identified as a GOVERNMENT.
So said the UN Office of Legal Affairs...

You are in good company. So, if there is a State or a Country with a Government, it must have evolved into existence since 2013.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not so. The Treaty of Lausanne referred to the territories where the territory was transferred as states. The League of nations recognized Palestine as a state. Several court rulings determined that Palestine was a state. In 1932 the US entered into a trade agreement with Palestine, an agreements that can only be made between states. Palestine has international borders, a nationality, and citizens. Passports were issued.

Israeli propaganda has stated a gazillion times that there never was a Palestine. This is the only thing that most people have ever heard. They believe it withou looking at actual history.

Yet, you still are unable to identify these “new states”. If, as you fraudulently claim, the Treaty of Lausanne invented ‘new states”, that Treaty would have identified those “new states”?

Indeed.

 

[Hollie]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: If you are a reader and cannot actually find a sovereign Palestine, then you are in good company...

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?
Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?
Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?
Link?

(REFERENCE)
View attachment 447449
(COMMENT)

Prior to 2013, "Palestine" was NOT identified as a STATE or a COUNTRY.
Prior to 2013, Palestinian Authorities could NOT be identified as a GOVERNMENT.
So said the UN Office of Legal Affairs...

You are in good company. So, if there is a State or a Country with a Government, it must have evolved into existence since 2013.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not so. The Treaty of Lausanne referred to the territories where the territory was transferred as states. The League of nations recognized Palestine as a state. Several court rulings determined that Palestine was a state. In 1932 the US entered into a trade agreement with Palestine, an agreements that can only be made between states. Palestine has international borders, a nationality, and citizens. Passports were issued.

Israeli propaganda has stated a gazillion times that there never was a Palestine. This is the only thing that most people have ever heard. They believe it withou looking at actual history.

Quite the opposite, it is the Palestinians that make up history. They claim they were a state and try to distort history.

BTW, where is your link that proves the Treaty of Lausanne refers to Palestine as a state?
Also, if Palestine was a state in 1932, why did they declare independence in 1948, AFTER Israel did?

I suspect that if and when you respond to my post , you will not answer any of my questions ...

Quite the opposite, it is the Palestinians that make up history. They claim they were a state and try to distort history.

There is nothing in my post that says that the Palestinians claim to be a state.

Indeed, as you frequently insist that some imagined “State of Pal’istan” exists, are you now denying it does... until you reverse that?

 

[Hollie]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: If you are a reader and cannot actually find a sovereign Palestine, then you are in good company...

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?
Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?
Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?
Link?

(REFERENCE)
View attachment 447449
(COMMENT)

Prior to 2013, "Palestine" was NOT identified as a STATE or a COUNTRY.
Prior to 2013, Palestinian Authorities could NOT be identified as a GOVERNMENT.
So said the UN Office of Legal Affairs...

You are in good company. So, if there is a State or a Country with a Government, it must have evolved into existence since 2013.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not so. The Treaty of Lausanne referred to the territories where the territory was transferred as states. The League of nations recognized Palestine as a state. Several court rulings determined that Palestine was a state. In 1932 the US entered into a trade agreement with Palestine, an agreements that can only be made between states. Palestine has international borders, a nationality, and citizens. Passports were issued.

Israeli propaganda has stated a gazillion times that there never was a Palestine. This is the only thing that most people have ever heard. They believe it withou looking at actual history.

Of course there was a Magical Kingdom of Pal'istan. I saw a documentary film on Turner Classic Movies last November. Dorothy, Toto and some friends went there. It was once called the Emerald City.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: If you are a reader and cannot actually find a sovereign Palestine, then you are in good company...

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?
Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?
Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?
Link?

(REFERENCE)
View attachment 447449
(COMMENT)

Prior to 2013, "Palestine" was NOT identified as a STATE or a COUNTRY.
Prior to 2013, Palestinian Authorities could NOT be identified as a GOVERNMENT.
So said the UN Office of Legal Affairs...

You are in good company. So, if there is a State or a Country with a Government, it must have evolved into existence since 2013.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not so. The Treaty of Lausanne referred to the territories where the territory was transferred as states. The League of nations recognized Palestine as a state. Several court rulings determined that Palestine was a state. In 1932 the US entered into a trade agreement with Palestine, an agreements that can only be made between states. Palestine has international borders, a nationality, and citizens. Passports were issued.

Israeli propaganda has stated a gazillion times that there never was a Palestine. This is the only thing that most people have ever heard. They believe it withou looking at actual history.

Quite the opposite, it is the Palestinians that make up history. They claim they were a state and try to distort history.

BTW, where is your link that proves the Treaty of Lausanne refers to Palestine as a state?
Also, if Palestine was a state in 1932, why did they declare independence in 1948, AFTER Israel did?

I suspect that if and when you respond to my post , you will not answer any of my questions ...

Quite the opposite, it is the Palestinians that make up history. They claim they were a state and try to distort history.

There is nothing in my post that says that the Palestinians claim to be a state.

Indeed, as you frequently insist that some imagined “State of Pal’istan” exists, are you now denying it does... until you reverse that?

Where did I say that? I didn't mention myself or the Palestinians in my post.

 

[Hollie]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the State of Palestine.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, toastman, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: If you are a reader and cannot actually find a sovereign Palestine, then you are in good company...

Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).

Unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.

Indeed, what is unsubstantiated?
Indeed, is your imagined ''State of Pal'istan'' sovereign or not?
Link?

Indeed, if there is an existing, sovereign ''state of Pal'istan'', why are the Abbas and Fatah
mini-caliphates demanding statehood?
Link?

(REFERENCE)
View attachment 447449
(COMMENT)

Prior to 2013, "Palestine" was NOT identified as a STATE or a COUNTRY.
Prior to 2013, Palestinian Authorities could NOT be identified as a GOVERNMENT.
So said the UN Office of Legal Affairs...

You are in good company. So, if there is a State or a Country with a Government, it must have evolved into existence since 2013.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not so. The Treaty of Lausanne referred to the territories where the territory was transferred as states. The League of nations recognized Palestine as a state. Several court rulings determined that Palestine was a state. In 1932 the US entered into a trade agreement with Palestine, an agreements that can only be made between states. Palestine has international borders, a nationality, and citizens. Passports were issued.

Israeli propaganda has stated a gazillion times that there never was a Palestine. This is the only thing that most people have ever heard. They believe it withou looking at actual history.

Quite the opposite, it is the Palestinians that make up history. They claim they were a state and try to distort history.

BTW, where is your link that proves the Treaty of Lausanne refers to Palestine as a state?
Also, if Palestine was a state in 1932, why did they declare independence in 1948, AFTER Israel did?

I suspect that if and when you respond to my post , you will not answer any of my questions ...

Quite the opposite, it is the Palestinians that make up history. They claim they were a state and try to distort history.

There is nothing in my post that says that the Palestinians claim to be a state.

Indeed, as you frequently insist that some imagined “State of Pal’istan” exists, are you now denying it does... until you reverse that?

Where did I say that? I didn't mention myself or the Palestinians in my post.

As the sole legitimate voice of the the Pal’istanian people, the “country of Pal’istan”, and all things Pal, I’m just trying to sort out where you get your silly notions from.