Daryl Hunt
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Another fool mentioning Russia and ignoring ChinaHow do you launch an air attack on China or Russia with a carrier without that carrier sinking by the following missile attackFYI = the water covers over 70% of the the Earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you understand the point????Exactly so carriers can only attack camel equipped nations that do not have modern anti ship missiles.Taiwan?
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Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.taskandpurpose.com
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
I think America should be working out how to protect the eventual Communist offensive against Taiwan, Japan and Australia rather than just their own offensive measures.
If they don't take Taiwan by force, they will just swallow them by squeezing them economically, denying them travel in various critical areas they require for trade, bribing and buying politicians (as they do to the West) etc.
China is probably just in wait for the right opportunity. They just took H.K and they are working on squeezing the Aussies and NZ economically right now also, keeping them dependent on them. Once done with these irritants, they will turn their sights elsewhere.
By the time China decides to go on the offensive, they could be too advanced, or too rapid in their activities. Worse, a passive, docile America that decides "it's not worth the economic 'benefit' we enjoy from cheap labour in China, so, unfortunately, you're on your own Taiwan".
China will know when to move, it won't be until they are in a much superior position, economically, geo-politically (they are in a great spot based on the U.N and WTO fiascos) and otherwise. They have to choose to eventually expand though with a focus on economics, but we saw their swift and deliberate move into H.K. 1.4B people and weak Western leadership? Just a matter of time...
China has already taken over the USA, and they are training troops in Canada now
That's as stupid a claim as the one in this thread.
And carriers are not necessarily meant to attack China or Russia directly. They can and would perform a valuable function of keeping control of the SLOCs such as to the Persian Gulf.
Build 11 more and this will not change
..you obviously don't know shit about wars except what you play on your PC games...
..in REAL wars, you want to control the oceans/etc--AHHHHH!! that's what the carriers are for
Haven't played a PC game in twenty years as I prefer playing with numbskulls like you
Not sure where you're getting your info.
The absolute longest range Russian anti ship missile is about 500 miles. We can easily keep our carriers further offshore than that and refuel enroute with tankers for attack aircraft.
.3M22 Zircon - Wikipedia
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While the range of a Chinese anti-ship missile can exceed 2000 miles, that would require very sophisticated ship finding capability. According to a senior political scientist at the RAND Corporation, Roger Cliff, an anti-ship ballistic missile is not useful without additional complex ship detection, data processing and communication systems, all of which, including the missile itself, could be jammed or spoofed.
Anti-ship ballistic missile - Wikipedia
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The DF-26B and the DF-21D are both understood to have maneuvering reentry vehicles capable at least of hitting large ships, such as aircraft carriers or large amphibious assault ships. The DF-21D has a maximum range in excess of 932 miles (1,500 kilometers), according to the Pentagon, while DF-26-series missiles can reportedly strike targets out to 2,500 miles.
Chinese media outlets, including the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post, refer to the DF-21D, specifically, as a "carrier killer." The longer-range DF-26 is nicknamed the "Guam Express or Guam Killer," a reference to the strategic U.S. island territory in the western Pacific, which is home to major air and naval bases, but the B model with its maneuverable warhead also often gets referred to as a carrier killer missile, as well. Guam would be an important target for Chinese forces during any large-scale conflict.
Chinese Long-Range Ballistic Missiles Struck Moving Ship In South China Sea: Report (thedrive.com)
Not sure where you get your info junior.
PS China also has more subs than America, so your hypothetical 500 miles from China meaning something is just ignorance
Good article. But it doesn't explain a whole lot. Two missiles hit the target. How many were fired. What speed was the target. And those are the easy questions.
The Article does nothing to expel the fact that there are about 10 items that must go right to hit a target. If even one of those 10 criterias are defeated, the Missile either goes ballistic or misses. And it's going to have to be a Nuclear tipped missile in hopes of defeating a Carrier. Anything short of that will just piss off the carrier. Hitting a Carrier with a conventional 2000lb bomb would put a hole in it X number of decks deep but that would not be enough to put it out of commission. So you knocked at Cat #2 but cat #1 will still be operational. It's going to launch even if it can't recover. The Frigates are going to be tracking the incoming Ballistic Missile so they are going to know what the target is. There will be NO surprise in the attack. And some of those Frigates are able to hit some of the incoming ballistic missiles and warheads. That is going to give the carrier the time to launch his birds and go into defensive measures. When a Carrier decides to leave, not one single support ship will be able to keep up with him. He's going to put lots of miles in a zig zag method and he's going to be near impossible to hit from a reentry warhead traveling at such a speed. And you are going to have to have a near dead on hit even with a Nuclear Warhead for a kill. If it's a conventional warhead, it's going to have to be a dead on hit which is completely impossible.
Let's say you do take out a carrier or damage one bad enough that he has to withdraw and can't recover. Other Carriers will be available for recovery. Even if no carriers are there to recover, the returning pilots will be picked up by the Destroyers. We can quickly make more Aircraft but we can't quickly make pilots.
China would have ONE hit to cripple the regions US Military's ability before things turned. After that, the cavalry arrives. And those Chinese subs start going off like flash bulbs. And it won't be the Carriers taking out the subs and Chinese Surface Ships.
The last thing China wants to do is get into a nuclear exchange with the US. That means their -21 and -26 missiles will NOT be nuclear tipped. That means that a single hit will only be just over 1200 lbs or 600 kg. And you aren't just trying to hit a moving target, you are trying to hit something with the speed of a Speed Boat that is zigging and zagging. And you are going to have to hit it dead on. The chances of that is virtually zero. And China has a nightmare if it tries to go with conventional weapons. They lose their entire coastal regions. Meaning, they just lost their shipping, manufacturing and large military population in a matter of a few days. The US doesn't need to go for a win and land a single boot on the ground. But China has to go for something less than a total loss of their economy. Not a dip in the economy, but a total loss. But if it chooses Nuclear, welcome to the stone age.
