About Those J6 “People”

[jacksonlamb]

Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915)

Burdick v. United States

supreme.justia.com

Acceptance, as well as delivery, of a pardon is essential to its validity; if rejected by the person to whom it is tendered, the court has no power to force it on him. United States v. Wilson, 7 Pet. 150.

If the recipient rejects it, they remain subject to conviction, sentence, or ongoing prosecution. Is she still under house arrest?

 

[Eman623]

Since you pretend to know, how about mentioning by NAME, just ONE, just ONE J6er that was arrested for simply 'walking around for a few minutes.'

Say please.

 

[Lesh]

How did the people get into the building then ? If they had to stand down and let them in, then what does that say about the preparedness of the capital police in a supposed crisis situation ? Wait was not the NG supposed to be there to assist the CP ? What happened to that dip-dot ??

Most of them smashed their way in after beating the shit out of cops.

 

[jacksonlamb]

The crowd threw down barriers, beat up cops, and broke in.

 

[Lesh]

Yeah he did

DOD details National Guard response to Capitol attack

WASHINGTON – Once the reality of the assault on the U.S. Capitol became apparent, National Guard troops responded appropriately and with alacrity, Department of Defense officials said in a phone

www.nationalguard.mil

Actually it took hours for the NG to respond after the call went out.

Guess who took that call? Yeah. Mike Flynn’s BROTHER

 

[Winco]

Where was the NG ?

How about we start here and quit trying to blame Pelosi?



Who is/was responsible for the national guard being deployed on J6, and would would that timeline look like?


Responsibility for the National Guard deployment on January 6, 2021, is complicated because multiple officials had different kinds of authority at different stages.
The short version:

• The President of the United States was ultimately commander-in-chief of the D.C. National Guard.
• Operational authority that day ran through the Pentagon, especially Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Millerand Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy.
• Requests for help came from:
  • Muriel Bowser
  • Steven Sund
• The on-scene Guard commander was William J. Walker.
• Vice President Mike Pence reportedly urged faster action, but he did not formally command the Guard.

A major point of controversy is this:

• Critics argue the Pentagon delayed approval for the Guard to move to the Capitol.
• Trump allies argue requests for Guard support before the riot were limited or rejected by D.C./Capitol officials.
• Multiple investigations concluded there were serious delays and confusion inside the Defense Department chain of command.

Here’s the generally accepted timeline from congressional testimony, Pentagon records, and major reporting:

Time (EST)	Event	Who was responsible / involved
Jan. 3–4	Pentagon issues restrictions requiring high-level approval before D.C. Guard could deploy with riot gear or move into law-enforcement roles	Acting SecDef Christopher Miller under the Trump administration
~1:09 p.m.	Capitol Police Chief Sund first asks Capitol Police Board for National Guard help	Steven Sund
1:26 p.m.	Capitol complex evacuation ordered	Capitol Police
1:34 p.m.	Mayor Bowser calls Army Secretary McCarthy requesting additional forces	Muriel Bowser and Ryan McCarthy
1:49 p.m.	Sund urgently calls Gen. Walker requesting immediate Guard assistance	Steven Sund and William J. Walker
~2:00–2:15 p.m.	Rioters breach the Capitol	—
2:22–2:30 p.m.	Pentagon leadership discussions occur; testimony later alleges concern about “optics” of troops at the Capitol	Senior Army officials including Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt and others; disputed afterward
3:00 p.m.	Miller determines Guard forces are needed	Christopher Miller
3:04 p.m.	Miller verbally approves full mobilization of D.C. Guard	Christopher Miller
3:04–4:32 p.m.	Guard mobilizes but waits for final authorization to physically move to the Capitol	Pentagon/Army chain of command
4:17 p.m.	Trump releases video telling rioters to go home	Donald Trump
4:32 p.m.	Pentagon gives final approval for Guard to deploy to Capitol grounds	Christopher Miller
~5:40 p.m.	First Guard troops arrive at Capitol	D.C. National Guard

A few key clarifications that often get mixed together:

1. “Trump offered 10,000 troops”
   There is no formal deployment order showing Trump ordered 10,000 troops to defend the Capitol on Jan. 6. Some Trump administration officials later said discussions about Guard presence occurred beforehand, but documentation for a direct operational order is lacking.
2. Could Bowser deploy the D.C. Guard herself?
   No. Unlike governors controlling state Guards, the D.C. National Guard reports federally through the president and Defense Department.
3. Did Pence “deploy” the Guard?
   Evidence suggests Pence pushed Pentagon officials to act faster, but legally the deployment authority remained with the Defense Department leadership, not the vice president.
4. Where investigators placed responsibility
   The bipartisan Jan. 6 Committee and multiple reports concluded:

• Trump bore broad responsibility for the events leading to the attack.
• Pentagon approval processes contributed to delayed Guard response.
• Capitol security planning failures also played a role.

 

[Winco]

Where was the NG ? Oh you don't want to go there do ya,

I'm going there.
Will you read it and respond.
Do you want to blame Pelosi?

trump supporter want to blame Pelosi. What was her role in deploying the NG?

Nancy Pelosi did not have authority to deploy the National Guard on January 6.

That’s the key legal point.

For Washington, D.C., the command structure for the D.C. National Guard runs through:

• the President
• the Secretary of Defense
• the Army Secretary
• military command channels

The Speaker of the House is not in that chain of command.

What Pelosi did have:

• influence over Capitol security discussions through House leadership
• indirect involvement through the Capitol Police Board structure
• oversight responsibilities after the attack

What she did not have:

• authority to activate, mobilize, or command the D.C. National Guard
• authority to deny a presidential Guard deployment order
• operational control over Pentagon decisions

Why her name comes up:
Some Trump allies argue Pelosi was responsible because:

1. Congress controls aspects of Capitol security administration.
2. The Capitol Police Board did not pre-position stronger security.
3. Capitol Police leadership reported bureaucratic hesitation before requesting Guard support.

But investigations and testimony have not shown Pelosi personally blocked a Guard deployment request.

A major source of confusion is the difference between:

• Capitol Police security planning (where congressional leadership has indirect institutional influence), and
• National Guard activation authority (which Pelosi did not possess).

Even Steven Sund — the Capitol Police chief at the time, who criticized security preparedness — stated that Guard approval authority rested with the Pentagon, not Pelosi. He did say the Capitol Police Board was hesitant early on, but that is different from Pelosi personally refusing troops.

The bipartisan Senate report released in 2021 found failures across:

• Capitol Police intelligence and planning
• the Capitol Police Board
• Pentagon response delays
• federal agency coordination

It did not conclude Pelosi had command authority over the Guard.

For context, this misconception often comes from comparing D.C. to a state. In a state:

• a governor controls the National Guard.

But D.C. is different:

• the D.C. Guard is federally controlled through the President and Defense Department.

So legally and operationally, Pelosi could not order the Guard in or keep the Guard out.

 

[Winco]

Actually it took hours for the NG to respond after the call went out.

Guess who took that call? Yeah. Mike Flynn’s BROTHER

beagle9

• Charles Flynn was an active-duty Army officer on Jan. 6.

Why people connect him to Jan. 6:

• Charles Flynn was present on a key Army conference call during the Capitol attack where officials discussed requests for National Guard assistance.
• Some officials later alleged senior Army leaders, including Charles Flynn, contributed to delays in deployment decisions.
• The Army initially denied Charles Flynn was on that call, then later acknowledged he had participated.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Yeah he did

DOD details National Guard response to Capitol attack

WASHINGTON – Once the reality of the assault on the U.S. Capitol became apparent, National Guard troops responded appropriately and with alacrity, Department of Defense officials said in a phone

www.nationalguard.mil

That's odd? Your article says Miller authorized them to be mobilized. So why are you giving credit to Trump?

 

[Political-Junkie]

My post stands... Where was the NG ? Oh you don't want to go there do ya, and what about the mystery dude that was stirring up the protesters who has never stood for his crimes or participation to date ? Ray Epps was his name I recall.

Ray Epps, center of a Jan. 6 conspiracy theory, is charged with a misdemeanor over Capitol insurrection

An Arizona man at the center of a Jan. 6, 2021, conspiracy theory has been charged with a misdemeanor in connection with the U.S. Capitol riot.

www.pbs.org

 

[Winco]

My post stands... Where was the NG ? Oh you don't want to go there do ya,

See, I 'go there' and answer beagle9 request for a response, then when presented with evidence, which was asked for, the FACTS don't meet his agenda and then he disappears.

I want you beagle9 to come back in and finish with your thoughts.

 

[struth]

Actually it took hours for the NG to respond after the call went out.

Guess who took that call? Yeah. Mike Flynn’s BROTHER

Nope they were already there. They brought more once the call came out, over 1000 troops

 

[struth]

That's odd? Your article says Miller authorized them to be mobilized. So why are you giving credit to Trump?

Cause he’s the commander and chief

 

[Winco]

For Robert W to read. who believe that Pelosi was in charge.
Go ahead and read the entire post.

How about we start here and quit trying to blame Pelosi?



Who is/was responsible for the national guard being deployed on J6, and would would that timeline look like?


Responsibility for the National Guard deployment on January 6, 2021, is complicated because multiple officials had different kinds of authority at different stages.
The short version:

• The President of the United States was ultimately commander-in-chief of the D.C. National Guard.
• Operational authority that day ran through the Pentagon, especially Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Millerand Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy.
  • Muriel Bowser
  • Steven Sund
• The on-scene Guard commander was William J. Walker.
• Vice President Mike Pence reportedly urged faster action, but he did not formally command the Guard.

A major point of controversy is this:

• Critics argue the Pentagon delayed approval for the Guard to move to the Capitol.
• Trump allies argue requests for Guard support before the riot were limited or rejected by D.C./Capitol officials.
• Multiple investigations concluded there were serious delays and confusion inside the Defense Department chain of command.

Here’s the generally accepted timeline from congressional testimony, Pentagon records, and major reporting:

Time (EST)	Event	Who was responsible / involved
Jan. 3–4	Pentagon issues restrictions requiring high-level approval before D.C. Guard could deploy with riot gear or move into law-enforcement roles	Acting SecDef Christopher Miller under the Trump administration
~1:09 p.m.	Capitol Police Chief Sund first asks Capitol Police Board for National Guard help	Steven Sund
1:26 p.m.	Capitol complex evacuation ordered	Capitol Police
1:34 p.m.	Mayor Bowser calls Army Secretary McCarthy requesting additional forces	Muriel Bowser and Ryan McCarthy
1:49 p.m.	Sund urgently calls Gen. Walker requesting immediate Guard assistance	Steven Sund and William J. Walker
~2:00–2:15 p.m.	Rioters breach the Capitol	—
2:22–2:30 p.m.	Pentagon leadership discussions occur; testimony later alleges concern about “optics” of troops at the Capitol	Senior Army officials including Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt and others; disputed afterward
3:00 p.m.	Miller determines Guard forces are needed	Christopher Miller
3:04 p.m.	Miller verbally approves full mobilization of D.C. Guard	Christopher Miller
3:04–4:32 p.m.	Guard mobilizes but waits for final authorization to physically move to the Capitol	Pentagon/Army chain of command
4:17 p.m.	Trump releases video telling rioters to go home	Donald Trump
4:32 p.m.	Pentagon gives final approval for Guard to deploy to Capitol grounds	Christopher Miller
~5:40 p.m.	First Guard troops arrive at Capitol	D.C. National Guard

A few key clarifications that often get mixed together:

1. “Trump offered 10,000 troops”
   There is no formal deployment order showing Trump ordered 10,000 troops to defend the Capitol on Jan. 6. Some Trump administration officials later said discussions about Guard presence occurred beforehand, but documentation for a direct operational order is lacking.
2. Could Bowser deploy the D.C. Guard herself?
   No. Unlike governors controlling state Guards, the D.C. National Guard reports federally through the president and Defense Department.
3. Did Pence “deploy” the Guard?
   Evidence suggests Pence pushed Pentagon officials to act faster, but legally the deployment authority remained with the Defense Department leadership, not the vice president.
4. Where investigators placed responsibility
   The bipartisan Jan. 6 Committee and multiple reports concluded:

• Trump bore broad responsibility for the events leading to the attack.
• Pentagon approval processes contributed to delayed Guard response.
• Capitol security planning failures also played a role.

I'm going there.
Will you read it and respond.
Do you want to blame Pelosi?

trump supporter want to blame Pelosi. What was her role in deploying the NG?

Nancy Pelosi did not have authority to deploy the National Guard on January 6.

That’s the key legal point.

For Washington, D.C., the command structure for the D.C. National Guard runs through:

• the President
• the Secretary of Defense
• the Army Secretary
• military command channels

The Speaker of the House is not in that chain of command.

What Pelosi did have:

• influence over Capitol security discussions through House leadership
• indirect involvement through the Capitol Police Board structure
• oversight responsibilities after the attack

What she did not have:

• authority to activate, mobilize, or command the D.C. National Guard
• authority to deny a presidential Guard deployment order
• operational control over Pentagon decisions

Why her name comes up:
Some Trump allies argue Pelosi was responsible because:

1. Congress controls aspects of Capitol security administration.
2. The Capitol Police Board did not pre-position stronger security.
3. Capitol Police leadership reported bureaucratic hesitation before requesting Guard support.

But investigations and testimony have not shown Pelosi personally blocked a Guard deployment request.

A major source of confusion is the difference between:

• Capitol Police security planning (where congressional leadership has indirect institutional influence), and
• National Guard activation authority (which Pelosi did not possess).

Even Steven Sund — the Capitol Police chief at the time, who criticized security preparedness — stated that Guard approval authority rested with the Pentagon, not Pelosi. He did say the Capitol Police Board was hesitant early on, but that is different from Pelosi personally refusing troops.

The bipartisan Senate report released in 2021 found failures across:

• Capitol Police intelligence and planning
• the Capitol Police Board
• Pentagon response delays
• federal agency coordination

It did not conclude Pelosi had command authority over the Guard.

For context, this misconception often comes from comparing D.C. to a state. In a state:

• a governor controls the National Guard.

But D.C. is different:

• the D.C. Guard is federally controlled through the President and Defense Department.

So legally and operationally, Pelosi could not order the Guard in or keep the Guard out.

 

[Political-Junkie]

If the recipient rejects it, they remain subject to conviction, sentence, or ongoing prosecution. Is she still under house arrest?

She did her time.

 

[Lesh]

Nope they were already there. They brought more once the call came out, over 1000 troops

Jesus . Do you always lie?

They were NOT “always there”.

There were some doing traffic duty in DC but NOT at the Capitol

You moron

 

[struth]

Jesus . Do you always lie?

They were NOT “always there”.

There were some doing traffic duty in DC but NOT at the Capitol

You moron

Of course there were there were over 300 guardsmen already deployed and on the ground Jan 5-6

 

[Leo123]

View attachment 1260426

Leftist site says what?

‘CREW’ is a self described progressive ‘watchdog, site.

 

[Lesh]

Of course there were there were over 300 guardsmen already deployed and on the ground Jan 5-6

On the ground.. doing traffic duty in DC

NOT at the Capitol

Stop saying stupid shit

 

[Political-Junkie]

Cause he’s the commander and chief

So? He still didn't call up the National Guard. So why are you giving him credit for something he didn't do?