A Victory Too Dear

[busybee01]

….or, ‘Not every victory is worth American lives.’



1.It is reasonable to compare the Democrat Party’s strategy in unseating Trump to Churchill’s allowing the Nazis to bomb an English city.

“On the night of 14 November 1940, three hundred German bombers dropped 500 tons of explosives, 33,000 incendiary bombs and dozens of parachute mines on the industrial city of Coventry. During the raid, 507 civilians were killed and 420 seriously injured.[1] A play at the Belgrade Theatre in Coventry, One Night In November, repeated the frequently made claim that Winston Churchill knew of the attack several days in advance, but that he held back the information to protect the most important secret of the war: the breaking of the German Enigma code at Bletchley Park. In the words of the press publicity…” Coventry: What Really Happened - The International Churchill Society

Whether or not that was what Churchill decided to do, it is arguable that it was a way to defeat the scourge of Hitler. That may be worth those lives.

But…the Leftist Party of America was more than willing to shut down America’s economy, encourage riots in the streets, and command lock-down, school closings, and mandatory masks, none which solved the problem of the Chinese virus, to attain victory in November… when all that was at stake was a political victory at the polls.




2. I have posited that, as Trump's greatest asset in the campaign has been his miraculous economy, after Hussein 'masterminded' the slowest recovery in history, and the answer to this by the party of evil is to organize a nationwide shutdown of the economy through lock-downs, riots, and closing schools to keep parents from going back to work.

Time will tell if it worked. But, when viewing all options for the Democrats, fighting for political victories happens ever few years; the lives lost by their machinations can never be recouped.



3. “Lockdowns are typically portrayed as prudent precautions against Covid-19, but they are surely the most risky experiment ever conducted on the public. From the start, researchers have warned that lockdowns could prove far deadlier than the coronavirus. People who lose their jobs or businesses are more prone to fatal drug overdoses and suicide, and evidence already exists that many more will die from cancer, heart disease, pneumonia, and tuberculosis and other diseases because the lockdown prevented their ailments from being diagnosed early and treated properly.Yet politicians and public-health officials conducting this unprecedented experiment have paid little attention to these risks.

…since that danger passed, the lockdown enforcers have found one reason after another to persevere with closures, bans, quarantines, curfews, and other mandates. Anthony Fauci, the White House advisor, recently said that even if a vaccine arrives soon, he does not expect a return to normality before late next year.”
A Failed Experiment | City Journal



How many American lives is a political victory worth?

1. There is one problem with your supposition. Republican governors such as Mike DeWine also took strong measures including canceling Presidential primaries. Larry Hogan in Maryland also took strong measures. 33 states currently have mask mandates. That includes Republican states such as Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi. It is not about destroying the economy, it is about slowing the spread of the coronavirus.

2. The economy was as slow under Trump as it was under Obama. Trump's GDP growth was no better. However that was not his only path to victory. Governors who took strong action to protect their citizens against the coronavirus are enjoying high approvals despite high unemployment figures in their states. That includes DeWine in Ohio and Whitmer in Michigan. If Trump had handled the coronavirus he might be well on his way to winning re-election even with a bad economy.

3. Lockdowns are the best way to try and keep the virus from spreading and should not be dismissed if cases start skyrocketing again.
Those mandates are a attempt to keep people safe.

Bottom line is that you are a right wing cuckoo. Voters are rejecting your advice and they will do so officially on November 3.

Let's cut to the chase.


I've proven in this thread that the shut-down, the masks, the hand-wringing, the demand that every death be called Covid, and, in the next post, that nearly no one dies from it.

Is the shut-down of the economy a Democrat conspiracy or not?

The only thing you have proven is that you are a nut. There are no conspiracies.

 

[JoeB131]

Prog Socialists are at war with the American people. Have been. How they treated people during the virus and what we saw that is all encompassing is how they will treat people in any crisis. They will do it to you if it fits their narrative. For the Party rules above anything else.

Okay, I try not to talk to you because your brain is addled, but Republicans did a lot of the same things after 9/11. Some of them they are still doing. You have a crisis, you change how you do things.

Speaking of crazy people.

But the control the Democrats assumed due to the Wuhan virus allowed them to treat Americans like slaves…and they certainly have experience in that area. As always, what they do not ban, they mandate.

Okay, if you had a job or worked in the real world, you'd realize that BUSINESSES on their own put in much tougher rules than the governors did.

PC is what happens when you take a Mail Order Bride and make it listen to hate radio all day.

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. A few more facts:

a. No one can say how many deaths are singularly attributable to Covid 19, as those in charge demanded, from the start, that every death be so claimed. “COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.
“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry



b. Why is the number of infections constantly reported, rather than the insignificant fatality rate? In previous years, was there the constant reporting of flu cases, pneumonia infections, or total national illnesses?

Or was the operative term ‘fatalities’? That ‘infection number’ is only designed to cause panic. The CDC has admitted that that only 6% of that huge number of deaths given hourly, is due to Covid 19.




10. Here are some supporting data, reported by the Center for Disease Control (CDC), which mathematically and scientifically back up this bold hypothesis.

Out of 327.2 million people, there were 501,444 total deaths in the United States from January 1, through April 8th this year

4,065 of those deaths were from COVID-19

4,467 of those deaths were from the flu

35,230 of those deaths were from pneumonia

1,879 of these pneumonia cases also had COVID-19

Here we have some data that we use to calculate some scientific mathematical facts, not propaganda.

1. 0.153% of the US population died between January 1 and April 4, 2020
2. 0.81% of those deaths (0.001242% of the population) were due to COVID-19
3. 0.89% of those deaths (0.001352% of the population) were due to the flu
4. 766.67% more deaths have occurred from pneumonia than from COVID-19

Statistically Significant: Why It Makes a Difference - Tom McFie



The Covid scam is of the same origin as the Russian Collusion Scam, the Obstruction Scam, Emoluments, 25th amendment, Stormy Daniels, lies about Charlottesville fine Nazis, Kurds, Ukraine, Quid Pro Quo, ‘lynching,’ the GAO charges, Lev Parnas, impeachment, coronavirus ‘hoax,’ General Flynn perjury trap, one after another for the very same objective.

You are pointing out no facts. Just your crazy theories. You are the one running a scam. The fact that they had covid-19 means they died fro0m the covid-19. If they didn't have the covid-19 then they would not have died.

Everything I post is linked, sourced, and documented.


But I understand why a less than courageous individual would fear confronting your Democrat masters.


" The fact that they had covid-19 means they died fro0m the covid-19. If they didn't have the covid-19 then they would not have died."

Now, watch me prove that what you just said is false.


"SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers – Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID-19 Alone – Rest Had Different Other Serious Illnesses"

SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers - Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID-19 Alone - Rest Had Different Other Serious Illnesses | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

So let’s get this straight – based on the recommendation of doctors Fauci and Birx the US shut down the entire economy based on 9,000 American deaths due entirely to the China coronavirus?

www.thegatewaypundit.com

SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers - Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID-19 Alone - Rest Had Different Other Serious Illnesses | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

So let’s get this straight – based on the recommendation of doctors Fauci and Birx the US shut down the entire economy based on 9,000 American deaths due entirely to the China coronavirus?

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned
Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities, Click here to download.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

 

[PoliticalChic]

As a country america has failed mightily in dealing with the pandemic. It is not Trump's fault however. The fact that the wealthiest nation on earth was caught so woefully unprepared for a virus is truly pathetic. Yes america you failed on this one. Pro life doesn't end at birth because all life is sacred including those most at risk. We should have been prepared many years ago. Instead we were caught with our pants down....epic fail

It's everyone else's fault except Trump's. Trump has constantly downplayed it. He has urged people to engage in risky behavior. Trump does not get off the hook.

Sooooo......why have so many Democrat elected officials praised him?


Dr Fauci: “I can’t imagine anyone doing more”

MARK LEVIN: Welcome back. Dr. Fauci, let me ask you a question. You've been doing this a long time. Have you ever seen this big of a coordinated response by an administration to such a threat? A health threat?

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI: …there are a number of adjectives to describe it. Impressive, I think is one of them. I mean, we're talking about all-hands on-deck …I'm down at the White House virtually every day with the Taskforce.
So I can't imagine that that under any circumstances that anybody could be doing more.



“Gov. Cuomo Heaps Praise on Trump for Responsiveness and Decisiveness Amid Coronavirus Outbreak” Gov. Cuomo Heaps Praise on Trump for Responsiveness and Decisiveness Amid Coronavirus Outbreak



“California Gov. praises Trump's help on coronavirus crisis” California Gov. praises Trump's help on coronavirus crisis



“Some Democrats Praise Trump’s Leadership Amid Coronavirus

President Trump’s recent actions to stop the spread of coronavirus have won him praise from an unlikely source: Representative Ilhan Omar….Omar quoted fellow Squad member Representative Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) as saying “unprecedented times require unprecedented leadership,” and then added that “we are seeing that in our country right now.”

And Dana Bash of CNN asserted the president’s new aggressive approach to the virus makes him the “kind of leader that people need.” Some Democrats Praise Trump’s Leadership Amid Coronavirus - The New American

“Connecticut Governor Praises Trump's Reopening Guidelines https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/04/24/ct-gov-praises-trumps-reopening-guidelines-n2567597



“On Fox News Friday night, Michigan State Representative Karen Whitsett told Tucker Carlson that text messages she's been receiving from Governor Whitmer have not been pleasant ever since the Democratic state lawmaker credited President Trump for her personal recovery from the Wuhan coronavirus. The lawmaker now faces a censure from her Democratic colleagues for crediting the president for her recovery.” Whitmer Sent Unpleasant Text Messages To Dem Lawmaker Who Thanked Trump for Her Coronavirus Recovery



“Democratic lawmaker who endorsed Trump: 'Black Americans are waking up. An uprising is near'

A Georgia Democratic lawmaker who recently announced he is supporting President Trump in November lashed out at Democrats for “using and abusing” the black community and taking its vote for granted for “far too long.” Democratic lawmaker who endorsed Trump: 'Black Americans are waking up. An uprising is near'

“I will not allow the Democrats to bully me into submission,” state Rep. Vernon Jones said.

Democrat Phil Murphy, Governor of New Jersey: GOVERNOR MURPHY: First of all, Mr. President, to you and your team, we’re incredibly honored to be here. I thank you for the enormous help in our darkest hour of need: ventilators; as you could see, PPE; testing sites. Now, I think, we’re going to be in a very good place thanks to you and your team as it relates to expanding testing dramatically so that we’ll be able to begin to take those steps to reopen. Remarks by President Trump in a Meeting with Governor Murphy of New Jersey | The White House

“Gov. Inslee owes US Army, Feds an apology

A week ago, Jay Inslee slammed our federal government for not doing enough for our state.

“The fact is, we cannot get as much help as we would like from the federal government”, he said.

This was a week after the United States Army, under orders from the Trump administration, sent hundreds of soldiers to build a 250-bed hospital at the Century Link Field Events Center.

That hospital has sat empty ever since. Not one patient. On Wednesday, Inslee announced that he wanted the facility disassembled and sent back to the federal government. How much do you think think this assembly and disassembly is costing taxpayers? No one will give me a figure.

Earlier this week, Inslee announced that he is returning 400 ventilators to the feds that we don’t need.

A week ago, he said the administration wasn’t doing enough for our state. Now, it’s clear, they’ve done way too much. A person of integrity would apologize for his phony criticism. That apology, of course, will never come.” Dori: Gov. Inslee owes US Army, Feds an apology



“President Donald Trump granted Michigan’s request for a major disaster declaration Saturday as the coronavirus outbreak worsens, the same day as Gov. Gretchen Whitmer announced that more federal medical supplies already have arrived in the state.

The White House announced the approval early Saturday, March 28.

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer sought a major disaster declaration on Thursday. Saturday morning, she noted that more than 112,000 N-95 masks had just arrived from the strategic national stockpile.” Trump approves Michigan disaster declaration; Whitmer says more supplies on the way in coronavirus fight

 

[PoliticalChic]

….or, ‘Not every victory is worth American lives.’



1.It is reasonable to compare the Democrat Party’s strategy in unseating Trump to Churchill’s allowing the Nazis to bomb an English city.

“On the night of 14 November 1940, three hundred German bombers dropped 500 tons of explosives, 33,000 incendiary bombs and dozens of parachute mines on the industrial city of Coventry. During the raid, 507 civilians were killed and 420 seriously injured.[1] A play at the Belgrade Theatre in Coventry, One Night In November, repeated the frequently made claim that Winston Churchill knew of the attack several days in advance, but that he held back the information to protect the most important secret of the war: the breaking of the German Enigma code at Bletchley Park. In the words of the press publicity…” Coventry: What Really Happened - The International Churchill Society

Whether or not that was what Churchill decided to do, it is arguable that it was a way to defeat the scourge of Hitler. That may be worth those lives.

But…the Leftist Party of America was more than willing to shut down America’s economy, encourage riots in the streets, and command lock-down, school closings, and mandatory masks, none which solved the problem of the Chinese virus, to attain victory in November… when all that was at stake was a political victory at the polls.




2. I have posited that, as Trump's greatest asset in the campaign has been his miraculous economy, after Hussein 'masterminded' the slowest recovery in history, and the answer to this by the party of evil is to organize a nationwide shutdown of the economy through lock-downs, riots, and closing schools to keep parents from going back to work.

Time will tell if it worked. But, when viewing all options for the Democrats, fighting for political victories happens ever few years; the lives lost by their machinations can never be recouped.



3. “Lockdowns are typically portrayed as prudent precautions against Covid-19, but they are surely the most risky experiment ever conducted on the public. From the start, researchers have warned that lockdowns could prove far deadlier than the coronavirus. People who lose their jobs or businesses are more prone to fatal drug overdoses and suicide, and evidence already exists that many more will die from cancer, heart disease, pneumonia, and tuberculosis and other diseases because the lockdown prevented their ailments from being diagnosed early and treated properly.Yet politicians and public-health officials conducting this unprecedented experiment have paid little attention to these risks.

…since that danger passed, the lockdown enforcers have found one reason after another to persevere with closures, bans, quarantines, curfews, and other mandates. Anthony Fauci, the White House advisor, recently said that even if a vaccine arrives soon, he does not expect a return to normality before late next year.”
A Failed Experiment | City Journal



How many American lives is a political victory worth?

1. There is one problem with your supposition. Republican governors such as Mike DeWine also took strong measures including canceling Presidential primaries. Larry Hogan in Maryland also took strong measures. 33 states currently have mask mandates. That includes Republican states such as Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi. It is not about destroying the economy, it is about slowing the spread of the coronavirus.

2. The economy was as slow under Trump as it was under Obama. Trump's GDP growth was no better. However that was not his only path to victory. Governors who took strong action to protect their citizens against the coronavirus are enjoying high approvals despite high unemployment figures in their states. That includes DeWine in Ohio and Whitmer in Michigan. If Trump had handled the coronavirus he might be well on his way to winning re-election even with a bad economy.

3. Lockdowns are the best way to try and keep the virus from spreading and should not be dismissed if cases start skyrocketing again.
Those mandates are a attempt to keep people safe.

Bottom line is that you are a right wing cuckoo. Voters are rejecting your advice and they will do so officially on November 3.

Let's cut to the chase.


I've proven in this thread that the shut-down, the masks, the hand-wringing, the demand that every death be called Covid, and, in the next post, that nearly no one dies from it.

Is the shut-down of the economy a Democrat conspiracy or not?

The only thing you have proven is that you are a nut. There are no conspiracies.

How.....unusual.

One more "is not, issssssss noooottttttttt!!!" post from a Liberal simpleton.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And the lasting effects of the Wuhan???????

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. ….as Trump's greatest asset in the campaign has been his miraculous economy, after Hussein 'masterminded' the slowest recovery in history, and the answer to this by the party of evil is to organize a nationwide shutdown of the economy through lock-downs, riots, and closing schools to keep parents from going back to work.


While the Democrats keep up the false ‘death count,’ in actuality, you have near zero chance of dying from the Chinese flu. Zero…that means ‘none,’ for Democrats playing along at home. The fatality rate for the Chinese virus is hardly even a rounding error.




And the effects?…After all, the effects are what we should be concerned with. Testing positive but asymptomatic…..so what?
How about we take an example…
Let’s take a look at an elderly man who had it, and a young woman who describes symptoms no different from the seasonal flu.

President Trump, elderly and overweight….had it, ten days later he’s doing two rallies a day. Really debilitating, huh?



And the symptoms from his missus:
“While Mr Trump seemingly suffered worse symptoms, his wife’s diagnosis came back with “minimal symptoms”.

The First Lady explained how she experienced “body aches, a cough and headaches, and felt extremely tired most of the time”.
She added recovering from the illness gave her time to “reflect”.
Mrs Trump said: “Recovering from an illness gives you a lot of time to reflect. Melania Trump describes coronavirus 'rollercoaster' as son Barron also tested positive




Sounds just like the usual flu, doesn't it?

Except that it has been weaponized against Trump and America.

 

[PoliticalChic]