A thought on Universal Healthcare

[CrimsonWhite]

This is merely a random thought that has been devoloping over the weekend. I oppose universal healthcare. I feel that it is a grand idea, but impractical in execution in our current society. So in that line of thought, if it were to be implemented, why do we need a seperate plan that would cost us an assload of money? Wouldn't it be more financially prudent to simply erase the age provision from medicare? The apparatus is already in place. It would need an influx of new funding, but it would still be a hell of alot cheaper than what is beng tossed around. Just a thought.

 

[veritas]

That has been considered. It would be better if we opened up the VA model and piled Medicare and our present wish list onto that really. They already have a working database.

 

[DiveCon]

This is merely a random thought that has been devoloping over the weekend. I oppose universal healthcare. I feel that it is a grand idea, but impractical in execution in our current society. So in that line of thought, if it were to be implemented, why do we need a seperate plan that would cost us an assload of money? Wouldn't it be more financially prudent to simply erase the age provision from medicare? The apparatus is already in place. It would need an influx of new funding, but it would still be a hell of alot cheaper than what is beng tossed around. Just a thought.

yeah, do that
and fund it by increasing the tax they already withhold
gee, how much would that cost
and they have to do it without dropping any coverage they currently have for seniors and add no extra coverages they dont currently give those on medicare

 

[DiveCon]

That has been considered. It would be better if we opened up the VA model and piled Medicare and our present wish list onto that really. They already have a working database.

hell
why do that
why not just roll everything into the plan CONGRESS has
thats even better

 

[Toro]

This is merely a random thought that has been devoloping over the weekend. I oppose universal healthcare. I feel that it is a grand idea, but impractical in execution in our current society. So in that line of thought, if it were to be implemented, why do we need a seperate plan that would cost us an assload of money? Wouldn't it be more financially prudent to simply erase the age provision from medicare? The apparatus is already in place. It would need an influx of new funding, but it would still be a hell of alot cheaper than what is beng tossed around. Just a thought.

That is an interesting idea, though I am unaware of the practicalities to make this work.

The other idea is to lift the income level required to qualify for Medicaid, perhaps instituting some sort of sliding scale based on need.

 

[daytona08]

This is merely a random thought that has been devoloping over the weekend. I oppose universal healthcare. I feel that it is a grand idea, but impractical in execution in our current society. So in that line of thought, if it were to be implemented, why do we need a seperate plan that would cost us an assload of money? Wouldn't it be more financially prudent to simply erase the age provision from medicare? The apparatus is already in place. It would need an influx of new funding, but it would still be a hell of alot cheaper than what is beng tossed around. Just a thought.

That is an interesting idea, though I am unaware of the practicalities to make this work.

The other idea is to lift the income level required to qualify for Medicaid, perhaps instituting some sort of sliding scale based on need.

Give me the healthcare that the unwed pregnant teenager gets for free and I will be happy. Why is it that the stupid get it for free, and those of us who work our asses off get nothing. I havde no problem paying my fair share for healthcare, I do have a problem with those that abuse the free healthcare they get.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

This is merely a random thought that has been devoloping over the weekend. I oppose universal healthcare. I feel that it is a grand idea, but impractical in execution in our current society. So in that line of thought, if it were to be implemented, why do we need a seperate plan that would cost us an assload of money? Wouldn't it be more financially prudent to simply erase the age provision from medicare? The apparatus is already in place. It would need an influx of new funding, but it would still be a hell of alot cheaper than what is beng tossed around. Just a thought.

yeah, do that
and fund it by increasing the tax they already withhold
gee, how much would that cost
and they have to do it without dropping any coverage they currently have for seniors and add no extra coverages they dont currently give those on medicare

Why would you have a problem with the increase if it is going to be cheaper than new tax? Of course, the coverage would stay the same for seniors. It just gets extended to anyone who wants it. The thought is in line with a principle that this country was founded on. A principle that everyone seems to forget. It is called compromise. Am for universal healthcare? Hell no. But it seems to me that direction we are headed, it s going to happen. Probably sooner than later. So instead of jumping up and down like children and shouting down the other side with cries of socialism, why can't the GOP shape their plan into something affordable?

 

[Big Black Dog]

My thoughts on Universal Healthcare... Pure Bullshit and the people that support it are the bulls.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

My thoughts on Universal Healthcare... Pure Bullshit and the people that support it are the bulls.

So more of the same Limbaughesque rhetoric. Great. Thanks for playing.

 

[Big Black Dog]

My thoughts on Universal Healthcare... Pure Bullshit and the people that support it are the bulls.

So more of the same Limbaughesque rhetoric. Great. Thanks for playing.

The "Limbaughesque rhetoric" you speak of isn't nearly as ignorant as anything Obama and Congress are trying to push off on America.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

My thoughts on Universal Healthcare... Pure Bullshit and the people that support it are the bulls.

So more of the same Limbaughesque rhetoric. Great. Thanks for playing.

The "Limbaughesque rhetoric" you speak of isn't nearly as ignorant as anything Obama and Congress are trying to push off on America.

Then tell me why it is bullshit. What don't you like about it?

 

[DiveCon]

This is merely a random thought that has been devoloping over the weekend. I oppose universal healthcare. I feel that it is a grand idea, but impractical in execution in our current society. So in that line of thought, if it were to be implemented, why do we need a seperate plan that would cost us an assload of money? Wouldn't it be more financially prudent to simply erase the age provision from medicare? The apparatus is already in place. It would need an influx of new funding, but it would still be a hell of alot cheaper than what is beng tossed around. Just a thought.

yeah, do that
and fund it by increasing the tax they already withhold
gee, how much would that cost
and they have to do it without dropping any coverage they currently have for seniors and add no extra coverages they dont currently give those on medicare

Why would you have a problem with the increase if it is going to be cheaper than new tax? Of course, the coverage would stay the same for seniors. It just gets extended to anyone who wants it. The thought is in line with a principle that this country was founded on. A principle that everyone seems to forget. It is called compromise. Am for universal healthcare? Hell no. But it seems to me that direction we are headed, it s going to happen. Probably sooner than later. So instead of jumping up and down like children and shouting down the other side with cries of socialism, why can't the GOP shape their plan into something affordable?

thats just it, it wont be cheaper
and i doubt it will cover the same levels

 

[veritas]

I think it would be cheaper if we had a system in place. Right now we have no system. We have compartmentalized monopolies that pick doctors and facilities for us based on deals we know nothing about and prices we can't negotiate. It definitely would be better if we could choose doctors based on facts rather than who participates in which plan.

Give me the healthcare that the unwed pregnant teenager gets for free and I will be happy. Why is it that the stupid get it for free, and those of us who work our asses off get nothing. I havde no problem paying my fair share for healthcare, I do have a problem with those that abuse the free healthcare they get.

The government has a stake in the stats, and ours are not good as far as infant mortality rates go, so they throw money at it. And since the hew and cry is so against abortion the right shouldn't even balk about giving free healthcare to pregnant mothers and small children. If you want children, you have to be able to take care of them in this society as a whole. What is the point of educating people if they can just perish after you've made the investment? These same people have no problem fomenting armed conflicts to blow up infrastructure and kill people to make a political point so contracts can be given to rebuild schools and hospitals in Iraq and Afghanistan, but shudder at the thought of getting their own house in order in favor of huge profits from the government. There is a huge disconnect. Occupying countries doesn't make us any safer, in fact the betting money is on the opposite, nobody likes the US telling them what to do, or liberating them, or forcing our democratic culture down their throats. They're not like us and don't want to be like us, they are not going to be like us. Hundreds of billions of dollars have fallen into a black hole in Iraq, and that doesn't even count the trillions we know went to fix the stuff we destroyed. Meanwhile we give free healthcare at great expense to the citizens in two war theatres, and will spend trillions more on our wounded over their lifetimes....but that's ok. It isn't ok to me.

 

[Big Black Dog]

So more of the same Limbaughesque rhetoric. Great. Thanks for playing.

The "Limbaughesque rhetoric" you speak of isn't nearly as ignorant as anything Obama and Congress are trying to push off on America.

Then tell me why it is bullshit. What don't you like about it?

There are a good many reasons why I do not feel government managed health care is good for our country. Let's begin with some very basic facts. First of all, there has never been a government program that came in on or under budget. In most cases, anything Congress does usually costs nearly twice or more than what they said it was going cost. Universal health care will be no different. On top of that, this is a program that the US truly cannot afford. Where do you think the money is going to come from? It is going to have to be borrowed - most likely from China - who we pay over a billion dollars a month interest alone on the money we already owe them and have done nothing to pay down that debt. Let's take a look at Medicare and social security. The government has never done an even half-way decent job of managing either one of these programs. Doctors are usually paid months after they provide services and in most cases at a very reduced rate for what they have billed the government. The government keeps claiming that both Medicare and Social Security will go bankrupt in the future because of a lack of funds but yet historically they have always raided the coffers of the Social Security funds to obtain money to pay for other government spending. Obama claims he will reduce the cost of Universal health care by the money he will save on trimming the waste out of Medicare. Well, I don't believe this for a minute. No other leader in our past history, Democrat or Republican has ever done this and Obama will never do it either. It's an outright lie to the American people to even suggest he will do this. What makes him so special as to do something that has never been done before? It will be very unwise to cut the funding to Medicare because doing so will be political suicide when it comes to pandering for the old people's vote come election time. These are just a couple of reasons on the surface of the issue. Let's get more specific with the reasoning. The Constitution does not allow for the government to undertake such a government controlled measure. It also does not allow for things such as Cash for Clunkers, bailouts, and many of the other things our government is doing these days. It would be wise to get back to following the Constitution - something the government is avoiding at every opportunity. Last reason is that regardless of what you think personally, or what the Congress people are telling you, more than half of the population of the country does not want any form of government controlled health care. This is a fact that is being completely ignored by Obama and Congress. They work for us. Not the other way around.

 

[WillowTree]

none of the grandiose plans will work without funding. Unless every single American pays a percentage of their income (no matter how it's obtained) into the federal income tax coffers there will always be insufficient funding. Now having said that Why would you advocate adding 40 million more people into medicare when you know that medicare is nearly bankrupt already?

 

[veritas]

The "Limbaughesque rhetoric" you speak of isn't nearly as ignorant as anything Obama and Congress are trying to push off on America.

Then tell me why it is bullshit. What don't you like about it?

There are a good many reasons why I do not feel government managed health care is good for our country. Let's begin with some very basic facts. First of all, there has never been a government program that came in on or under budget. In most cases, anything Congress does usually costs nearly twice or more than what they said it was going cost. Universal health care will be no different. On top of that, this is a program that the US truly cannot afford. Where do you think the money is going to come from? It is going to have to be borrowed - most likely from China - who we pay over a billion dollars a month interest alone on the money we already owe them and have done nothing to pay down that debt. Let's take a look at Medicare and social security. The government has never done an even half-way decent job of managing either one of these programs. Doctors are usually paid months after they provide services and in most cases at a very reduced rate for what they have billed the government. The government keeps claiming that both Medicare and Social Security will go bankrupt in the future because of a lack of funds but yet historically they have always raided the coffers of the Social Security funds to obtain money to pay for other government spending. Obama claims he will reduce the cost of Universal health care by the money he will save on trimming the waste out of Medicare. Well, I don't believe this for a minute. No other leader in our past history, Democrat or Republican has ever done this and Obama will never do it either. It's an outright lie to the American people to even suggest he will do this. What makes him so special as to do something that has never been done before? It will be very unwise to cut the funding to Medicare because doing so will be political suicide when it comes to pandering for the old people's vote come election time. These are just a couple of reasons on the surface of the issue. Let's get more specific with the reasoning. The Constitution does not allow for the government to undertake such a government controlled measure. It also does not allow for things such as Cash for Clunkers, bailouts, and many of the other things our government is doing these days. It would be wise to get back to following the Constitution - something the government is avoiding at every opportunity. Last reason is that regardless of what you think personally, or what the Congress people are telling you, more than half of the population of the country does not want any form of government controlled health care. This is a fact that is being completely ignored by Obama and Congress. They work for us. Not the other way around.

First of all, there has never been a government program that came in on or under budget.

That's because the government isn't set up that way for accounting. In order to be placed in the budget for the next fiscal year, depts have to show they spent what they had and that they need the same or more the next year. This is a plain fact of how spending works. Don't like it? Do something to change it. Don't blame the programs themselves for not behaving the way the government [congress] has dictated things must function. Then you come along and chastise somebody for wanting to change that...typical ignorance. The fact is, most people don't have a clue about the Constitution or how basic civics works anyway, and it shows. More than half of the country are morons or don't want to educate themselves on how corporate America is skimming the vig off of everything.

 

[Polk]

That has been considered. It would be better if we opened up the VA model and piled Medicare and our present wish list onto that really. They already have a working database.

hell
why do that
why not just roll everything into the plan CONGRESS has
thats even better

I've always found this talking point very interesting, as the proposed exchanges are almost identical to what members of Congress get.

 

[DiveCon]

That has been considered. It would be better if we opened up the VA model and piled Medicare and our present wish list onto that really. They already have a working database.

hell
why do that
why not just roll everything into the plan CONGRESS has
thats even better

I've always found this talking point very interesting, as the proposed exchanges are almost identical to what members of Congress get.

make them exact

but, dont forget to tax each person enough to cover the expense

 

[Old Rocks]

My thoughts on Universal Healthcare... Pure Bullshit and the people that support it are the bulls.

So more of the same Limbaughesque rhetoric. Great. Thanks for playing.

The "Limbaughesque rhetoric" you speak of isn't nearly as ignorant as anything Obama and Congress are trying to push off on America.

The people that you support already rip the public off to the tune of trillions a year. Our health care system is the most costly in the world on a per citizen basis, yet there are tens of millions of Americans it does not even cover. We pay the most and get third world results. And you are all for that. Really, really smart of you.