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Crepitus

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It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party It's time to stop turning the other cheek only to get slapped down by the republican scum

It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party

and yet, 6 republicans recently crossed the line on a vote.

When is the last time more than 2 democrats crossed the aisle?
You wanted Dems to cross the line in not supporting the virus bill that helped bring back our economy?? Or the infrastructure one that repubs have been promising for years to do something about but have done ZERO and how about the Health Care plan they've been promising ?

ed, I want to know why few, IF ANY, democrats have crossed the aisle, on ANY bill.

But keep cherry picking.


It's what you do.
Is “crossing the line” the litmus test of “bi-partisanship”? I always thought it was the willingness to compromise and take input from the “other side” seriously before putting anything up for a vote, seems to me that neither party has a track record of fostering that except on trivial matters that don’t risk angering their respective “base”. :dunno:
Night I appreciate your dislike for both parties At least there is someone here that's half right But no bi partisanship on Virus help for our economy or so far on infrastructure surely must show your repubs have their heads up their butts??
First off how are they “MY repubs”? I have absolutely nothing to do with the Republican Party.

Secondly, with respect to the COVID relief package-D, what Republican input ended up in it? or was even taken seriously? You can’t expect the “other side” to “cross the aisle” when you present legislation that will drive their constituencies straight up the wall, without including or at least seriously considering giving them compromises in return for their support.

This is how it goes with most major legislation these days, the side in power does a “take it or leave it” act and then complains that the minority party doesn’t vote for it and NOW the democrats are seriously discussing the possibility of removing the last mechanism that encourages any compromise, the Senate Filibuster, how is that going to encourage “bi-partanship” ?
The covid relief didn't offer help to millions of Republicans
Yeah and? It's not clear what your response has to do with what I posted, do you require clarification? If so, what is that you don't understand regarding what I posted?
What legislation drove repubs up the wall? Seems to me repub senators voted against their voters
 

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We are.

We do.

You whackos will be the death of this country.
Is that what the voices in your head are telling you?

You should listen to them.
 

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We never had as much voter fraud until Soros backed Governors and AGs started making up their own laws. We need to get voting back in the polls and insist on a picture ID card.

Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals voted in 2016 and did nothing about it
Trump could have accomplished a lot more if it wasn't for the Deep State.
He could have done a lot more were it not for purely stupid acts like naming the warmongering walrus John Bolton as NSA.....Should have fired Comey immediately, should have fired Fauxi after about a month.

For all the obstacles that The Swamp threw at him, the God Emperor had more than his fair share of unforced errors.
 

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Trump was punished because he wouldn't kiss the establishments ass. That makes him #1 in my book, even though he could be very uncool at times. He was great at getting things done.
 

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It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party It's time to stop turning the other cheek only to get slapped down by the republican scum

It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party

and yet, 6 republicans recently crossed the line on a vote.

When is the last time more than 2 democrats crossed the aisle?
You wanted Dems to cross the line in not supporting the virus bill that helped bring back our economy?? Or the infrastructure one that repubs have been promising for years to do something about but have done ZERO and how about the Health Care plan they've been promising ?

ed, I want to know why few, IF ANY, democrats have crossed the aisle, on ANY bill.

But keep cherry picking.


It's what you do.
Is “crossing the line” the litmus test of “bi-partisanship”? I always thought it was the willingness to compromise and take input from the “other side” seriously before putting anything up for a vote, seems to me that neither party has a track record of fostering that except on trivial matters that don’t risk angering their respective “base”. :dunno:
Night I appreciate your dislike for both parties At least there is someone here that's half right But no bi partisanship on Virus help for our economy or so far on infrastructure surely must show your repubs have their heads up their butts??
First off how are they “MY repubs”? I have absolutely nothing to do with the Republican Party.

Secondly, with respect to the COVID relief package-D, what Republican input ended up in it? or was even taken seriously? You can’t expect the “other side” to “cross the aisle” when you present legislation that will drive their constituencies straight up the wall, without including or at least seriously considering giving them compromises in return for their support.

This is how it goes with most major legislation these days, the side in power does a “take it or leave it” act and then complains that the minority party doesn’t vote for it and NOW the democrats are seriously discussing the possibility of removing the last mechanism that encourages any compromise, the Senate Filibuster, how is that going to encourage “bi-partanship” ?
The covid relief didn't offer help to millions of Republicans
Yeah and? It's not clear what your response has to do with what I posted, do you require clarification? If so, what is that you don't understand regarding what I posted?
What legislation drove repubs up the wall? Seems to me repub senators voted against their voters
There were numerous provisions, for example the terms for extended unemployment compensation, the size of direct payments, the scope and method of the child tax credit payouts and the breadth & scope of state aid, just to name a few. I can't say for sure that any Republican Senators would have been open to compromise on any of those points but it certainly appeared that their objections were simply brushed aside without much consideration, nor do I recall any significant effort to offer up meaningful compromise on major points.

... and simply voting NO to what they view as flawed legislation ISN'T "voting against their voters", the devil is in the details, that is where the opportunity for compromise exists. What you seem to be suggesting is that every time legislation is presented that hands out money on a massive scale voting against it is synonymous with going against the interests of the voters, which of course, isn't true, given that the Federal Government was never intended to be a giant ATM machine for the voters (even though it seems to have become that of late).
 

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It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party It's time to stop turning the other cheek only to get slapped down by the republican scum
thats right,, all they ever do is be nothing more than a speed bump for the democrat/socialist agenda,,
Dems are known as the people party Repubs party of the rich You believe repub party the so called conservative party is the same as it was 20 30 years ago?

Dems are known as the people party
Not for the last 50 years.
You believe repub party the so called conservative party is the same as it was 20 30 years ago?

Do you still believe that democrats are still democratic?
 

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The GOP has proven to be an even 'greater threat' to US democracy than Trump in 2021, experts warn​

  • Democracy experts are sounding the alarm.
  • Republican-led legislatures nationwide are taking extraordinary steps to restrict voting.
  • "The Republican party has proven to be a greater threat than Trump," one expert told Insider.
By the time Donald Trump left the White House, it was widely agreed upon that he was the most anti-democratic president in modern US history. He exhibited an unparalleled disdain for democratic institutions during his four years in power, and topped it all off by refusing to accept the legitimate results of the 2020 election and provoking a deadly insurrection at the US Capitol. It was unprecedented and the US is still dealing with the consequences.
On his way out the door, Trump was impeached for a second time for inciting the riot. A week later, President Joe Biden was inaugurated, and some scholars of democracy were hopeful that Trump's departure would open the door for the GOP to hit the reset button. But those feelings of optimism didn't last long as Republicans continued to show unwavering loyalty to Trump and his "big lie," and as GOP-led legislatures nationwide pushed for laws to restrict voting in extraordinary ways.
Sheri Berman, a professor of political science at Barnard College and author of "Democracy and Dictatorship in Europe: From the Ancien Régime to the Present Day," told Insider she's become even "more pessimistic" about the future of American democracy in 2021.
"With Trump gone, I hoped the Republican party might recalibrate, moving away from his illiberal, anti-democratic and irrational behavior and embracing a conservative, but firmly reality-based and small 'd' democratic politics," Berman said. "That the Republican party has proven to be a greater threat than Trump — a single individual — bodes poorly for the health of American democracy."

'I don't think the average citizen understands the threat'​

Michigan voting

Brooke Hader, 18, votes for the first time since becoming old enough to be eligible, as she fills out her ballot during absentee early voting for the general election in Sterling Heights, Mich., Thursday, Oct. 29, 2020 David Goldman/AP
Only 16% of Americans say democracy is working well or extremely well, according to a February poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. The poll found that nearly half of Americans — 45% — think democracy isn't functioning properly. But it's less clear if Americans are cognizant of the escalating threat posed to the democratic process in the US by GOP efforts to make it harder to vote.
"I don't think the average citizen understands the threat because the average citizen doesn't have the time or the incentive to analyze what is going on politically at the national, state and local level on a daily basis," Berman said.
Berman was among more than 100 experts on democracy who signed a letter — published by the New America think tank on Tuesday — urging Democrats in Congress to suspend the filibuster and do whatever else is necessary to pass national voting and election-administration standards that would guarantee "the vote to all Americans equally, and prevent state legislatures from manipulating the rules in order to manufacture the result they want."
"The letter was necessary and appropriate — a way to warn those who don't study these issues of the danger of what is going on," Berman said.
Roosevelt University political scientist David Faris, who also signed the letter, in a recent interview with Vox expressed concern that "complacency has set in on the Democratic side and people are lulled into thinking things are normal and fine just because Biden's approval ratings are good."
"When people think of democracy dying, they think of some very dramatic event like Trump riding down Pennsylvania Avenue in a tank or something. That's not the reality here," Faris went on to say.

'It's absolutely right to sound the alarm'​

Virginia voting

In this Nov. 3, 2020, file photo voters cast their ballots under a giant mural at Robious Elementary school on Election Day, in Midlothian, Va. AP Photo/Steve Helber, File
Archon Fung, the Winthrop Laflin McCormack Professor of Citizenship and Self-Government at the Harvard Kennedy School, told Insider that the rising concerns about the state of democracy and GOP efforts to restrict vote is "warranted."
"It's absolutely right to sound the alarm," Fung said, applauding the democracy scholars who signed the letter.
"In terms of the basic issue of who gets to vote and how hard it is to vote, this is the most challenging period in American history in 50 years since the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act," Fung added. "We're back there again, unfortunately. The current manifestation is different, but many of the issues are the same. And the color of the people whose vote is at stake is very similar, also."
President Joe Biden has repeatedly made it clear that he's concerned about protecting voting rights against Republican attacks. He's pushing Congress to pass the For the People Act, even calling out members of his own party who are standing in the way of the bill. The expansive voting rights package passed in the House in early March, but it faces an uphill battle in the evenly-split Senate.
During a speech in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on Tuesday, Biden also announced that he's tapped Vice President Kamala Harris to spearhead the administration's efforts to shore up voting rights
"Democrats recognize the urgency of these issues, but the problem is the filibuster," Berman said, adding that Senate Republicans "won't agree to the necessary reforms to improve the functioning and legitimacy of the electoral process."

'This could be a moment in which we begin to create a better democracy than we've ever had'​


Volunteers help voters drop off their ballots at the Maricopa County Recorder's Office in October 2020 in Phoenix, Arizona. Ross D. Franklin/AP
Without downplaying the scale of the problem, Fung said he's encouraged by the growing conversation in Washington, DC, on protecting voting rights. But he underscored that "a huge amount of worrisome activity" is occurring at the local or state level, while expressing concern about a relative lack of popular and grassroots activity on democracy issues.
To his point, between January 1 and mid-May, at least 14 states enacted 22 new laws that restrict access to the vote, a tracker from the Brennan Center for Justice showed. Overall, at least 389 restrictive bills have been introduced by lawmakers in 48 states in the 2021 legislative sessions.
The GOP seems "determined not only to restrict voting in ways they believe will benefit them, but even more frightening to increase partisan influence and oversight over the electoral process, again in order to be able to overturn election outcomes that they believe to be 'false,'" Berman said, denouncing these efforts as "direct threats to the most basic of democratic institutions — free and fair elections."
To that, Fung added: "The future is open and could go a lot of different ways, some of them very good and some of them very bad. The foundations of democracy could further erode, or this could be a moment in which we begin to create a better democracy than we've ever had."
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