A concrete solution to a complex health problem.

[sparky]

Ignoring actual causes while making the government more powerful is not a good way to solve real problems.

well i'm with you on big Gub'Mit Ray, they really need to be guidance to the 'market' , vs being it themselves. Ergo the dilema

I eat frozen pancakes

oh for gawds sake, is there a chef in the house?

He was one of the angriest, stressed out people I've ever known. That shit will kill you faster than anything.

true, as both AHA & ARC cpr instructor, we were taught to pass that on
further....condolences....

The best solution to this whole health tax problem is people learning to live/eat healthier and quit depending on pharmakeia when at all possible.

indeed so, the older i get , the more i realize all those old timers that i'd tried to convince into the back of a meatwagon would claim ' doctors will kill you' had a point.

Capitalism only has capitalist remedies

Government healthcare is a socialist solution that will manufacture a massive bureaucracy that could eventually take down capitalism and democracy with it.

true but....
Think 'flip side' Ray.
Capitalism has become bureaucracy, creating it's own legislation

~S~

 

[Gdjjr]

oh for gawds sake, is there a chef in the house?

I get the Walmart brand- don't need a chef- when I was a kid there were "Pancake" suppers at the coliseum in Lubbock- the ones I get from Walmart (2.68 for 24 with 3 to a pkg) are actually better- imo- I know the syrup I use is better- Black Burns they have one called "Old Fashion" as I said 1 min 18 seconds and the pancakes are ready for the butter- the directions actually recommend a few seconds less but I want them to melt my butter

 

[sparky]

oh for gawds sake, is there a chef in the house?

I get the Walmart brand- don't need a chef- when I was a kid there were "Pancake" suppers at the coliseum in Lubbock- the ones I get from Walmart (2.68 for 24 with 3 to a pkg) are actually better- imo- I know the syrup I use is better- Black Burns they have one called "Old Fashion" as I said 1 min 18 seconds and the pancakes are ready for the butter- the directions actually recommend a few seconds less but I want them to melt my butter

ok Gdjjr, i'll quit pickin' on your pancakes....~S~

 

[laferia52]

600,000 people die every year in the US from the combined effects of just two products, tobacco, and alcohol. If we apply concrete reasoning to a complex problem could we not save millions of lives by following the lead of the highest court in the land? We know that the Supreme has ruled that a product, health insurance, can be forced on the people and called a tax, not a penalty. It is for the good of the people in the minds of some, so a kind of doublespeak has been enforced to manipulate public opinion.

Fine, but what about the human carnage imposed on the people by two products that are widely affordable and universally available? There is no debate about the death toll involved with the use of these products either separately or in combination. Incredibly, during a global pandemic, liquor stores and tobacco-peddling outlets have been declared essential businesses. Why are 600,000 deaths annually acceptable while the population is forced to wear masks and socially distance to the extent that businesses that sell food like restaurants are being wiped out to save the people’s health?

We know from experience that prohibition will not work but we also know from the Supreme Court that measures can be taken and imposed to address national health issues like uninsured people by forcing them to purchase insurance. In light of that could we not impose a health surcharge on tobacco and alcohol? We could start with a $5.00 health surcharge on a single pack of cigarettes and a $3.00 health surcharge on a six pack of beer.

The mountains of money raised from this concrete solution could go into a superfund to finance the health costs of the users of these products. They would essentially be paying at the pump to get the healthcare they cannot afford now. As it stands at the moment people who do not use these products are being forced to participate in schemes to pay for the profits of two industries and their addicted customers while humans still die in droves driving up the cost of healthcare for everyone.

Why is this not done? Well, both these toxic industries are well represented in Washington lobbies. So, in effect, the government that wants to give everyone health insurance is killing the people by subsidizing the poison manufacturers.

This could work to save the health of the nation.

Would you also impose surcharges on other products sold on the market to finance other things?

 

[jbrownson0831]

600,000 people die every year in the US from the combined effects of just two products, tobacco, and alcohol. If we apply concrete reasoning to a complex problem could we not save millions of lives by following the lead of the highest court in the land? We know that the Supreme has ruled that a product, health insurance, can be forced on the people and called a tax, not a penalty. It is for the good of the people in the minds of some, so a kind of doublespeak has been enforced to manipulate public opinion.

Fine, but what about the human carnage imposed on the people by two products that are widely affordable and universally available? There is no debate about the death toll involved with the use of these products either separately or in combination. Incredibly, during a global pandemic, liquor stores and tobacco-peddling outlets have been declared essential businesses. Why are 600,000 deaths annually acceptable while the population is forced to wear masks and socially distance to the extent that businesses that sell food like restaurants are being wiped out to save the people’s health?

We know from experience that prohibition will not work but we also know from the Supreme Court that measures can be taken and imposed to address national health issues like uninsured people by forcing them to purchase insurance. In light of that could we not impose a health surcharge on tobacco and alcohol? We could start with a $5.00 health surcharge on a single pack of cigarettes and a $3.00 health surcharge on a six pack of beer.

The mountains of money raised from this concrete solution could go into a superfund to finance the health costs of the users of these products. They would essentially be paying at the pump to get the healthcare they cannot afford now. As it stands at the moment people who do not use these products are being forced to participate in schemes to pay for the profits of two industries and their addicted customers while humans still die in droves driving up the cost of healthcare for everyone.

Why is this not done? Well, both these toxic industries are well represented in Washington lobbies. So, in effect, the government that wants to give everyone health insurance is killing the people by subsidizing the poison manufacturers.

This could work to save the health of the nation.

Just mandate that people wear plastic bags over their heads held in place by rubber bands then they can't smoke or drink...or breathe which will solve the global warming problem too.

 

[andy753]

600,000 dead every year. Did you miss that?

I think those numbers are higher than 600,000.