9/11 and Israel

[William Joyce]

U.S. policy on Israel key motive for effort

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...3jul23,1,3458819.story?coll=la-home-headlines

PLOTTER INVOLVED BIN LADEN TO GAIN MORE RESOURCES
By Terry McDermott
LOS ANGELES TIMES

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the man who conceived and directed the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks, was motivated by his strong disagreement with American
support for Israel, said the final report of the Sept. 11 commission.

Mohammed conceived the initial outline of the attack six years before its
execution and brought the plan to al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden because he
thought he did not have the resources to carry it out on his own.

The Sept. 11 report contains the fullest accounting of Mohammed's overarching
role from original conception to supervision of details. Bin Laden, too, was
fully involved, selecting all or most of the participants, ordering the
substance and the location of their training, and contributing to the timing of
the attacks and the selection of targets, the report says.

The report makes a strong case that al-Qaida accomplished the attacks without
any hint of state sponsorship. The report also appears to lay to rest the
notion, long alluded to by administration officials including Vice President
Dick Cheney, that hijacker Mohamed Atta traveled to the Czech Republic to meet
an Iraqi intelligence operative in the spring of 2001.

In addition to repeating evidence that Atta was in the United States at the
time, the report revealed that the Iraqi agent was not in Prague either when the
meeting was alleged to have occurred.

Much of the report's detail comes from interrogations of al-Qaida operatives in
U.S. custody, including Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh. Some of that information
is contradictory; much of it is difficult to corroborate. One CIA analysis cited
in the report, for example, is titled "Khalid Shaykh Muhammed's Threat
Reporting -- Precious Truths, Surrounded by a Bodyguard of Lies."

 

[ajwps]

U.S. policy on Israel key motive for effort

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...3jul23,1,3458819.story?coll=la-home-headlines

PLOTTER INVOLVED BIN LADEN TO GAIN MORE RESOURCES
By Terry McDermott
LOS ANGELES TIMES

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the man who conceived and directed the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks, was motivated by his strong disagreement with American
support for Israel, said the final report of the Sept. 11 commission.

Mohammed conceived the initial outline of the attack six years before its
execution and brought the plan to al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden because he
thought he did not have the resources to carry it out on his own.

The Sept. 11 report contains the fullest accounting of Mohammed's overarching
role from original conception to supervision of details. Bin Laden, too, was
fully involved, selecting all or most of the participants, ordering the
substance and the location of their training, and contributing to the timing of
the attacks and the selection of targets, the report says.

The report makes a strong case that al-Qaida accomplished the attacks without
any hint of state sponsorship. The report also appears to lay to rest the
notion, long alluded to by administration officials including Vice President
Dick Cheney, that hijacker Mohamed Atta traveled to the Czech Republic to meet
an Iraqi intelligence operative in the spring of 2001.

In addition to repeating evidence that Atta was in the United States at the
time, the report revealed that the Iraqi agent was not in Prague either when the
meeting was alleged to have occurred.

Much of the report's detail comes from interrogations of al-Qaida operatives in
U.S. custody, including Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh. Some of that information
is contradictory; much of it is difficult to corroborate. One CIA analysis cited
in the report, for example, is titled "Khalid Shaykh Muhammed's Threat
Reporting -- Precious Truths, Surrounded by a Bodyguard of Lies."

Yes it is interesting that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Osama Bin attacked America because they were unhappy about the US supporting Israel. Why didn't they save their now dead suicider hijackeers and attack Israel instead of simple supporters?

The analogy would be George Bush attacking the Eiffel Tower in Paris France because Chirac supported and partnered with Sadaam.

Or another would be Hitler killing the Jews because they were a great scapegoat whom he knew would not fight back. Joyce are you still thinking about a sex change operation so you don't feel trapped in that outer shell you live in?

Does that make any sense to your Hitlerian brain?

 

[William Joyce]

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Why didn't they save their now dead suicider hijackeers and attack Israel instead of simple supporters?

My guess is a cost-benefit analysis. For one thing, there aren't really any large-scale targets like that in Israel. But mostly, Israel is only a big problem for them because of the U.S. So, they went to the source.

 

[Comrade]

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Yes it is interesting that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Osama Bin attacked America because they were unhappy about the US supporting Israel. Why didn't they save their now dead suicider hijackeers and attack Israel instead of simple supporters?

The analogy would be George Bush attacking the Eiffel Tower in Paris France because Chirac supported and partnered with Sadaam.

Or another would be Hitler killing the Jews because they were a great scapegoat whom he knew would not fight back. Joyce are you still thinking about a sex change operation so you don't feel trapped in that outer shell you live in?

Does that make any sense to your Hitlerian brain?

I'm not 100% but maybe around 90% that the US support of Israel came up some months after 9-11 from the Bin-Laden, for the first time.

All Arab states generally get a free pass among their own, as a reason for doing something utterly asinine just because of Palestinian suffering at the hands of evil Israel. It's not as if they tried to actually absorb them into their own state because their refugee status continues to serve as a good excuse to harp upon the faults of the West and attack and undermine the state of Israel at every opportunity.

I believe Bin-Laden first raised this issue in a public declaration after 9-11 for the first time, and obviously advised to do so in some manner by his eductated and politically saavy staff. Every Arab Muslim cuts their teeth on the evil Jewish state and the oppression of their Palestinian brethren, while at the same time treat immigrant Palestinians like dirt, or in several instances are actually called up to wage war and evict them by force of arms. Jordans black September and the Lebonan civil war against Arafats forces and people were all just friendly shoving matches in their book.

Anyhow, Binnie wanted the big cahoona, the Caliphate of all Arabia, and finally made a name for himself after 9-11, and naturally settled into the role Saddam once tried to mimic, as "protector" of the Palestinian people. It's just Islamic politics.

 

[ajwps]

My guess is a cost-benefit analysis. For one thing, there aren't really any large-scale targets like that in Israel. But mostly, Israel is only a big problem for them because of the U.S. So, they went to the source.

You have just made an assinine statement about some cost-benefit analysis.

So there are no big-scale Israel targets for Bin in Israel. There are between 5 - 6 million Jews in an area the size of Rhode Island. Chief terrorist Bin Laden couldn't have a cost-benefit to the killing of tens of thousands of Irsraeli citizens for his Islamic Koran cleansing of the Jews from the holy land of Islam?

Or maybe Bin Laden knows that Israel is ready for him and his cowardly suicide attacks or the firing of chemical or bacterial rockets into Israel? Do you think that Isreael would have settled for attacking the Taliban in Afghanastan in a frontal attack with IDF soldiers as a result of such an attack?

Is it possible ole Bin saw a way to make a big splash with the soft US targets who never believed that the early intelligence warnings would be taken seriously by this American administration. Bin remembers Bill Clinton and his feeble attack on an aspirin attack in the Sudan.

Israel would simply have been able to use their intelligence service to locate the general location of Bin Laden and destroyed him and his people with non-nuclear attacks from weapons systems not as yet used or exposed to the world by Israel's bag of new technology.

Ben Ladin is no fool even if he is a mad mass murderer. (i.e., Adolph Hitler). Iran, Syria and the rest of those who have made plans to attack Israel may be in for a little surprise or maybe they know enough not to attack Israel.

I believe that America is not only ready for those like Bin Laden but this time, no more punitive responses to this evil cancer spreading across the lands. Just pray that the Johns Kerry don't get anywhere near the White House. Kerry wants to count on the UN to protect America and soon the citizens of the US will want more than the now improving US economy. They want a place to spend their money.

The US was not the source but only one of the soft infidel countries he thought weak and ineffective. ISLAM IS WRONG....

 

[drac]

My guess is a cost-benefit analysis. For one thing, there aren't really any large-scale targets like that in Israel. But mostly, Israel is only a big problem for them because of the U.S. So, they went to the source.

That would be a wrong cost-benefit analysis i believe. You are right it would be much harder to attack israel than us, because of israel's readiness to such attacks. In terms of benefit, i doubt it. We can go around the world and do stuff on the scale israel cannot and will not be able to do. In addition, most people/goverments in arab world would not be as simpathetic to israel as the are to us.
Also Osama & Co did target us because of our presence in middle east (troops, business..). Even although our affiliation with isreal was taken into account, it was not a primary factor (according to statements attributed to alQaida).

 

[drac]

I'm not 100% but maybe around 90% that the US support of Israel came up some months after 9-11 from the Bin-Laden, for the first time.

All Arab states generally get a free pass among their own, as a reason for doing something utterly asinine just because of Palestinian suffering at the hands of evil Israel. It's not as if they tried to actually absorb them into their own state because their refugee status continues to serve as a good excuse to harp upon the faults of the West and attack and undermine the state of Israel at every opportunity.

I believe Bin-Laden first raised this issue in a public declaration after 9-11 for the first time, and obviously advised to do so in some manner by his eductated and politically saavy staff. Every Arab Muslim cuts their teeth on the evil Jewish state and the oppression of their Palestinian brethren, while at the same time treat immigrant Palestinians like dirt, or in several instances are actually called up to wage war and evict them by force of arms. Jordans black September and the Lebonan civil war against Arafats forces and people were all just friendly shoving matches in their book.

Anyhow, Binnie wanted the big cahoona, the Caliphate of all Arabia, and finally made a name for himself after 9-11, and naturally settled into the role Saddam once tried to mimic, as "protector" of the Palestinian people. It's just Islamic politics.

very true