$7.7 million Just For Air Force One Flight To And From Honolulu

$245b?? The debt increased by more than a trillion dollars in FY2008.


Bullshit. The first trillion dollar deficit was during the first year of the Obama administration.

Recent US Federal Deficit Numbers
Obama Deficits
FY 2015*: $564 bln
FY 2014: $483 bln
FY 2013: $680 bln
FY 2012: $1,087 bln
FY 2011: $1,300 bln
FY 2010: $1,294 bln
FY 2009†: $1,413 bln
FY 2008: $458 bln
FY 2007: $161 bln
FY 2006: $248 bln
FY 2005: $318 bln
for more years click here


US Federal Deficit Definition - plus charts and analysis
What a pity rightwingers are so stupid. :rolleyes:

U.S. Treasury: National Debt - Annual 2000 - 2014
9/30/2007: $9,007,653,372,262.48
9/30/2008: $10,024,724,896,912.49

FY2008 deficit: $1,017,071,524,650.01

First trillion dollar deficit ever in U.S. history occurred while Bush was president.

pssssst ....... this is where you switch from the president to the Congress. :lol:

[edit: by the way ..... where did you come up with a $245b deficit? That's not even in your list. :dunno: You making shit up again?]

According to your source:

Historical Debt:
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49

From Sept. 30 2008 - Sept. 30 2009 Congress was able to increase the debt by approx. $1.89 trillion

Now who's responsible for all of that spending? Sure as Hell wasn't Bush, cause he was gone Jan 21.Last thing he signed was TARP and Obama spent half of that. It's pretty funny you wanting to hammer Bush for $1.017 trillion that somehow got assigned to him yet Obama spends nearly twice that much his first year. Oh, that's different.

Yu know, all this spending didn't even get out of control till the Dems took back Congress.

09/30/2014 17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
Democrats take Congressional Control

09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
tumblr_mvf8v22KtJ1s9j8iro1_500.gif
Most of it was due to the Great Recession Bush handed Obama. And again, Bush signed a continuing resolution for the first half of FY2009. The debt alone during that period increased almost one trillion dollars.

And you never did answer .... where did you get that $245b figure from? Did you make it up?

Oh, and I wonder why you give Obama a pass on the fact that he has increased the debt twice as much as Bush.
Because Reagan tripled the debt and righties didn't care. Bush Sr. was on path to double it and righties didn't care. Bush Jr. was close do doubling it and righties didn't care.

Why on Earth would I give a shit that righties care now for no reason other than the president is a Democrat?

"Deficits don't matter." Remember?

Bush increased the debt in 8 years $5 trillion yet Obama did that in his first 3 years. Some only want to look at the percentages and not the actual amounts. Where is your objectivity?

Oh, Obama still had to deal with a recession that Bush caused (yet ended in the first quarter of 09'). How terrible for him. What did Obama do with all of that money he was going to use on 'Shovel-ready Job Creation'? Well ... I guess it didn't go to jobs. Who knows where it went, considering the fact that the job participation rate has gone down and more people are collecting Social Security and Food Stamps than ever before.

That silly little recession wasn't as bad as advertised to be honest. It was just a crisis created by hedgfunders along with alot of help from Democrats and their media. Strange how a huge drop in gas prices can erase so much of that. Despite Obama, the economy has recovered, even though the jobs haven't recovered because the incentive to work is gone, thanks to Obama and his Democrat friends who feel their pain. The cushion they've provide for them has increased the debt to over $18 trillion. More taxes are being paid and fewer folks are working. Wonder how that happened? Maybe that's why jobs are leaving in record numbers. The tax code is a little rougher on the rich. Now Obama wants to make it worse by proposing an increase in the minimum-wage. Politicians at the federal and state level want to throw a turd in the punchbowl by raising gas taxes.

Yup, too much of a good thing is bad for politicians and they always try to figure a way of taking advantage of it.
That "silly little recession" was among the worst in U.S. history, losing more than 4% GDP, 8 million jobs unemployment and more than 11 million jobs to under/unemployment.
 
Bullshit. The first trillion dollar deficit was during the first year of the Obama administration.

Recent US Federal Deficit Numbers
Obama Deficits
FY 2015*: $564 bln
FY 2014: $483 bln
FY 2013: $680 bln
FY 2012: $1,087 bln
FY 2011: $1,300 bln
FY 2010: $1,294 bln
FY 2009†: $1,413 bln
FY 2008: $458 bln
FY 2007: $161 bln
FY 2006: $248 bln
FY 2005: $318 bln
for more years click here


US Federal Deficit Definition - plus charts and analysis
What a pity rightwingers are so stupid. :rolleyes:

U.S. Treasury: National Debt - Annual 2000 - 2014
9/30/2007: $9,007,653,372,262.48
9/30/2008: $10,024,724,896,912.49

FY2008 deficit: $1,017,071,524,650.01

First trillion dollar deficit ever in U.S. history occurred while Bush was president.

pssssst ....... this is where you switch from the president to the Congress. :lol:

[edit: by the way ..... where did you come up with a $245b deficit? That's not even in your list. :dunno: You making shit up again?]

According to your source:

Historical Debt:
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49

From Sept. 30 2008 - Sept. 30 2009 Congress was able to increase the debt by approx. $1.89 trillion

Now who's responsible for all of that spending? Sure as Hell wasn't Bush, cause he was gone Jan 21.Last thing he signed was TARP and Obama spent half of that. It's pretty funny you wanting to hammer Bush for $1.017 trillion that somehow got assigned to him yet Obama spends nearly twice that much his first year. Oh, that's different.

Yu know, all this spending didn't even get out of control till the Dems took back Congress.

09/30/2014 17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
Democrats take Congressional Control

09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
tumblr_mvf8v22KtJ1s9j8iro1_500.gif
Most of it was due to the Great Recession Bush handed Obama. And again, Bush signed a continuing resolution for the first half of FY2009. The debt alone during that period increased almost one trillion dollars.

And you never did answer .... where did you get that $245b figure from? Did you make it up?

Oh, and I wonder why you give Obama a pass on the fact that he has increased the debt twice as much as Bush.
Because Reagan tripled the debt and righties didn't care. Bush Sr. was on path to double it and righties didn't care. Bush Jr. was close do doubling it and righties didn't care.

Why on Earth would I give a shit that righties care now for no reason other than the president is a Democrat?

"Deficits don't matter." Remember?

Bush increased the debt in 8 years $5 trillion yet Obama did that in his first 3 years. Some only want to look at the percentages and not the actual amounts. Where is your objectivity?

Oh, Obama still had to deal with a recession that Bush caused (yet ended in the first quarter of 09'). How terrible for him. What did Obama do with all of that money he was going to use on 'Shovel-ready Job Creation'? Well ... I guess it didn't go to jobs. Who knows where it went, considering the fact that the job participation rate has gone down and more people are collecting Social Security and Food Stamps than ever before.

That silly little recession wasn't as bad as advertised to be honest. It was just a crisis created by hedgfunders along with alot of help from Democrats and their media. Strange how a huge drop in gas prices can erase so much of that. Despite Obama, the economy has recovered, even though the jobs haven't recovered because the incentive to work is gone, thanks to Obama and his Democrat friends who feel their pain. The cushion they've provide for them has increased the debt to over $18 trillion. More taxes are being paid and fewer folks are working. Wonder how that happened? Maybe that's why jobs are leaving in record numbers. The tax code is a little rougher on the rich. Now Obama wants to make it worse by proposing an increase in the minimum-wage. Politicians at the federal and state level want to throw a turd in the punchbowl by raising gas taxes.

Yup, too much of a good thing is bad for politicians and they always try to figure a way of taking advantage of it.
That "silly little recession" was among the worst in U.S. history, losing more than 4% GDP, 8 million jobs unemployment and more than 11 million jobs to under/unemployment.

Yet you ignore how or why it all happened.

Also you forget to mention that spending didn't get out of hand under Bush till the Democrats took back Congress or that Obama's first year he added $1.88 trillion to the debt. He didn't sign a budget into law till 2013, just one CR after another to cover up all of the spending. How bout the fact that his budget proposals are so ridiculous nobody votes for them. He had to increase taxes more than any president in history to bring his deficit spending down to Bush levels.

Nope, it doesn't matter a damn what your statistics show because they are pure bullshit. ypu
 
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Screw you America. That's what Obama is saying every Christmas:


By Malia Zimmerman | Watchdog.org

HONOLULU – President Barack Obama and his family just spent their Christmas and New Year’s holidays in Kailua. Now it’s time for taxpayers to pick up the tab.

While the Obamas and friends who accompany them pay for their own private vacation home rentals on or near Kailua Beach, taxpayers foot a multimillion dollar tab for everything from a stand-by ambulance to the fuel for Air Force One.

Local taxpayers pick up the bill for Honolulu Police Department escorts who guard Obama, first lady Michelle and daughters Malia and Sasha around the clock. Figures just released by HPD spokeswoman Michelle Yu show HPD spent $277,000 on overtime costs this year during the president’s 16-day vacation. That’s $16,000 less than in 2013, but $60,000 more than in 2012.

The Emergency Management Services department also dispatches an ambulance to be on call for the president, which annually costs the city about $15,890.


Photo courtesy of Hawaii Reporter

LUXURY: Kailua villa is where the first family spends Christmas.

The U.S. Secret Service doesn’t disclose information about the expense for its agents to travel to and stay in Hawaii or guard the first family.

Dozens of Secret Service agents were spotted at Ala Moana Hotel checking in the day before Obama arrived. A spokeswoman for the hotel said she couldn’t release details on the number of agents who stayed there, but hotel staff told Watchdog the government rate would be about $200 a night, including taxes.

Secret Service agents, Navy SEALs and Coast Guard officials also rent private homes along the canal near the president in Kailua at a cost of $250 per room per night, according to several residents renting their homes.

The most pricey charge to taxpayers is the flight to Oahu from Washington, D.C.

Records obtained by Washington, D.C.-based Judicial Watch said “the flights to and from Honolulu for the December 2013-January 2014 Christmas vacation totaled 36.9 hours at $210,877 an hour, which comes to a flight expense alone of $7,781,361.30.”

That was an increase of $3.7 million in flight expenses Judicial Watch reported the Obamas incurred for their 2012 Honolulu Christmas vacation.

No estimates for 2014’s travel have been released by the administration.

Time to pay tab for First Family s holiday vacation


what the fuck? Are you suggesting that the POTUS shouldn't get a vacation? Or that security shouldn't be provided?

Stop being stupid.
 
What a pity rightwingers are so stupid. :rolleyes:

U.S. Treasury: National Debt - Annual 2000 - 2014
9/30/2007: $9,007,653,372,262.48
9/30/2008: $10,024,724,896,912.49

FY2008 deficit: $1,017,071,524,650.01

First trillion dollar deficit ever in U.S. history occurred while Bush was president.

pssssst ....... this is where you switch from the president to the Congress. :lol:

[edit: by the way ..... where did you come up with a $245b deficit? That's not even in your list. :dunno: You making shit up again?]

According to your source:

Historical Debt:
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49

From Sept. 30 2008 - Sept. 30 2009 Congress was able to increase the debt by approx. $1.89 trillion

Now who's responsible for all of that spending? Sure as Hell wasn't Bush, cause he was gone Jan 21.Last thing he signed was TARP and Obama spent half of that. It's pretty funny you wanting to hammer Bush for $1.017 trillion that somehow got assigned to him yet Obama spends nearly twice that much his first year. Oh, that's different.

Yu know, all this spending didn't even get out of control till the Dems took back Congress.

09/30/2014 17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
Democrats take Congressional Control

09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
tumblr_mvf8v22KtJ1s9j8iro1_500.gif
Most of it was due to the Great Recession Bush handed Obama. And again, Bush signed a continuing resolution for the first half of FY2009. The debt alone during that period increased almost one trillion dollars.

And you never did answer .... where did you get that $245b figure from? Did you make it up?

Oh, and I wonder why you give Obama a pass on the fact that he has increased the debt twice as much as Bush.
Because Reagan tripled the debt and righties didn't care. Bush Sr. was on path to double it and righties didn't care. Bush Jr. was close do doubling it and righties didn't care.

Why on Earth would I give a shit that righties care now for no reason other than the president is a Democrat?

"Deficits don't matter." Remember?

Bush increased the debt in 8 years $5 trillion yet Obama did that in his first 3 years. Some only want to look at the percentages and not the actual amounts. Where is your objectivity?

Oh, Obama still had to deal with a recession that Bush caused (yet ended in the first quarter of 09'). How terrible for him. What did Obama do with all of that money he was going to use on 'Shovel-ready Job Creation'? Well ... I guess it didn't go to jobs. Who knows where it went, considering the fact that the job participation rate has gone down and more people are collecting Social Security and Food Stamps than ever before.

That silly little recession wasn't as bad as advertised to be honest. It was just a crisis created by hedgfunders along with alot of help from Democrats and their media. Strange how a huge drop in gas prices can erase so much of that. Despite Obama, the economy has recovered, even though the jobs haven't recovered because the incentive to work is gone, thanks to Obama and his Democrat friends who feel their pain. The cushion they've provide for them has increased the debt to over $18 trillion. More taxes are being paid and fewer folks are working. Wonder how that happened? Maybe that's why jobs are leaving in record numbers. The tax code is a little rougher on the rich. Now Obama wants to make it worse by proposing an increase in the minimum-wage. Politicians at the federal and state level want to throw a turd in the punchbowl by raising gas taxes.

Yup, too much of a good thing is bad for politicians and they always try to figure a way of taking advantage of it.
That "silly little recession" was among the worst in U.S. history, losing more than 4% GDP, 8 million jobs unemployment and more than 11 million jobs to under/unemployment.

Yet you ignore how or why it all happened.

Also you forget to mention that spending didn't get out of hand under Bush till the Democrats took back Congress or that Obama's first year of spending was $1.88 trillion. He didn't sign a budget till 2013, just one CR after another to cover up all of the spending. He has to increase taxes more than any president in history to bring his deficit spending down to Bush levels.

Nope, it doesn't matter a damn what your statistics show because they are pure bullshit. ypu
It happened because of Republican home ownership policies opened the floodgates to wall street corruption.

And spending during Obama's first year was not $1.88t. Yet another detail you got wrong on your ever growing list.

You're also wrong that he didn't sign a budget bill until 2013...

Barack Obama signs 410bn omnibus spending bill US news The Guardian

You've gotten pretty much every detail wrong.

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $188t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

What else do ya wanna get wrong that I can add to that list?
 
It doesn't matter to fawn that Obama started Quantitative Easing to the tune of $85 billion/mo putting $1.7 trillion in the market propping it up into over 14,000.or that he artificially kept interest rates low so it would make the debt seem less of a problem. Once interest rates go back up the debt is going to skyrocket.
 
Faun73 said:
According to your source:

Historical Debt:
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49

From Sept. 30 2008 - Sept. 30 2009 Congress was able to increase the debt by approx. $1.89 trillion

Now who's responsible for all of that spending? Sure as Hell wasn't Bush, cause he was gone Jan 21.Last thing he signed was TARP and Obama spent half of that. It's pretty funny you wanting to hammer Bush for $1.017 trillion that somehow got assigned to him yet Obama spends nearly twice that much his first year. Oh, that's different.

Yu know, all this spending didn't even get out of control till the Dems took back Congress.

09/30/2014 17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
Democrats take Congressional Control

09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
tumblr_mvf8v22KtJ1s9j8iro1_500.gif
Most of it was due to the Great Recession Bush handed Obama. And again, Bush signed a continuing resolution for the first half of FY2009. The debt alone during that period increased almost one trillion dollars.

And you never did answer .... where did you get that $245b figure from? Did you make it up?

Oh, and I wonder why you give Obama a pass on the fact that he has increased the debt twice as much as Bush.
Because Reagan tripled the debt and righties didn't care. Bush Sr. was on path to double it and righties didn't care. Bush Jr. was close do doubling it and righties didn't care.

Why on Earth would I give a shit that righties care now for no reason other than the president is a Democrat?

"Deficits don't matter." Remember?

Bush increased the debt in 8 years $5 trillion yet Obama did that in his first 3 years. Some only want to look at the percentages and not the actual amounts. Where is your objectivity?

Oh, Obama still had to deal with a recession that Bush caused (yet ended in the first quarter of 09'). How terrible for him. What did Obama do with all of that money he was going to use on 'Shovel-ready Job Creation'? Well ... I guess it didn't go to jobs. Who knows where it went, considering the fact that the job participation rate has gone down and more people are collecting Social Security and Food Stamps than ever before.

That silly little recession wasn't as bad as advertised to be honest. It was just a crisis created by hedgfunders along with alot of help from Democrats and their media. Strange how a huge drop in gas prices can erase so much of that. Despite Obama, the economy has recovered, even though the jobs haven't recovered because the incentive to work is gone, thanks to Obama and his Democrat friends who feel their pain. The cushion they've provide for them has increased the debt to over $18 trillion. More taxes are being paid and fewer folks are working. Wonder how that happened? Maybe that's why jobs are leaving in record numbers. The tax code is a little rougher on the rich. Now Obama wants to make it worse by proposing an increase in the minimum-wage. Politicians at the federal and state level want to throw a turd in the punchbowl by raising gas taxes.

Yup, too much of a good thing is bad for politicians and they always try to figure a way of taking advantage of it.
That "silly little recession" was among the worst in U.S. history, losing more than 4% GDP, 8 million jobs unemployment and more than 11 million jobs to under/unemployment.

Yet you ignore how or why it all happened.

Also you forget to mention that spending didn't get out of hand under Bush till the Democrats took back Congress or that Obama's first year of spending was $1.88 trillion. He didn't sign a budget till 2013, just one CR after another to cover up all of the spending. He has to increase taxes more than any president in history to bring his deficit spending down to Bush levels.

Nope, it doesn't matter a damn what your statistics show because they are pure bullshit. ypu
It happened because of Republican home ownership policies opened the floodgates to wall street corruption.

And spending during Obama's first year was not $1.88t. Yet another detail you got wrong on your ever growing list.

You're also wrong that he didn't sign a budget bill until 2013...

Barack Obama signs 410bn omnibus spending bill US news The Guardian

You've gotten pretty much every detail wrong.

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $188t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

What else do ya wanna get wrong that I can add to that list?

I never said $188 trillion.
Omnibus bill? It's just a way to avoid the normal budget process. Instead of everything being out in the open and negotiated in commmittee they decide to wrap everything up on short notice with no amendments to speak of. These bills go around the opposition. It's not how the budget was supposed to be done.
 
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Faun73 said:
Most of it was due to the Great Recession Bush handed Obama. And again, Bush signed a continuing resolution for the first half of FY2009. The debt alone during that period increased almost one trillion dollars.

And you never did answer .... where did you get that $245b figure from? Did you make it up?

Oh, and I wonder why you give Obama a pass on the fact that he has increased the debt twice as much as Bush.
Because Reagan tripled the debt and righties didn't care. Bush Sr. was on path to double it and righties didn't care. Bush Jr. was close do doubling it and righties didn't care.

Why on Earth would I give a shit that righties care now for no reason other than the president is a Democrat?

"Deficits don't matter." Remember?

Bush increased the debt in 8 years $5 trillion yet Obama did that in his first 3 years. Some only want to look at the percentages and not the actual amounts. Where is your objectivity?

Oh, Obama still had to deal with a recession that Bush caused (yet ended in the first quarter of 09'). How terrible for him. What did Obama do with all of that money he was going to use on 'Shovel-ready Job Creation'? Well ... I guess it didn't go to jobs. Who knows where it went, considering the fact that the job participation rate has gone down and more people are collecting Social Security and Food Stamps than ever before.

That silly little recession wasn't as bad as advertised to be honest. It was just a crisis created by hedgfunders along with alot of help from Democrats and their media. Strange how a huge drop in gas prices can erase so much of that. Despite Obama, the economy has recovered, even though the jobs haven't recovered because the incentive to work is gone, thanks to Obama and his Democrat friends who feel their pain. The cushion they've provide for them has increased the debt to over $18 trillion. More taxes are being paid and fewer folks are working. Wonder how that happened? Maybe that's why jobs are leaving in record numbers. The tax code is a little rougher on the rich. Now Obama wants to make it worse by proposing an increase in the minimum-wage. Politicians at the federal and state level want to throw a turd in the punchbowl by raising gas taxes.

Yup, too much of a good thing is bad for politicians and they always try to figure a way of taking advantage of it.
That "silly little recession" was among the worst in U.S. history, losing more than 4% GDP, 8 million jobs unemployment and more than 11 million jobs to under/unemployment.

Yet you ignore how or why it all happened.

Also you forget to mention that spending didn't get out of hand under Bush till the Democrats took back Congress or that Obama's first year of spending was $1.88 trillion. He didn't sign a budget till 2013, just one CR after another to cover up all of the spending. He has to increase taxes more than any president in history to bring his deficit spending down to Bush levels.

Nope, it doesn't matter a damn what your statistics show because they are pure bullshit. ypu
It happened because of Republican home ownership policies opened the floodgates to wall street corruption.

And spending during Obama's first year was not $1.88t. Yet another detail you got wrong on your ever growing list.

You're also wrong that he didn't sign a budget bill until 2013...

Barack Obama signs 410bn omnibus spending bill US news The Guardian

You've gotten pretty much every detail wrong.

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $188t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

What else do ya wanna get wrong that I can add to that list?

I never said $188 trillion.
Omnibus bill? It's just a way to avoid the normal budget process. Instead of everything being out in the open and negotiated in commmittee they decide to wrap everything up on short notice with no amendments to speak of. These bills go around the opposition. It's not how the budget was supposed to be done.
My bad ... $1.88t. Corrected list of everything you've gotten wrong in this argument .....

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $1.88t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013
 
Faun.post: 10530213 said:
Faun73 said:
Oh, and I wonder why you give Obama a pass on the fact that he has increased the debt twice as much as Bush.
Because Reagan tripled the debt and righties didn't care. Bush Sr. was on path to double it and righties didn't care. Bush Jr. was close do doubling it and righties didn't care.

Why on Earth would I give a shit that righties care now for no reason other than the president is a Democrat?

"Deficits don't matter." Remember?

Bush increased the debt in 8 years $5 trillion yet Obama did that in his first 3 years. Some only want to look at the percentages and not the actual amounts. Where is your objectivity?

Oh, Obama still had to deal with a recession that Bush caused (yet ended in the first quarter of 09'). How terrible for him. What did Obama do with all of that money he was going to use on 'Shovel-ready Job Creation'? Well ... I guess it didn't go to jobs. Who knows where it went, considering the fact that the job participation rate has gone down and more people are collecting Social Security and Food Stamps than ever before.

That silly little recession wasn't as bad as advertised to be honest. It was just a crisis created by hedgfunders along with alot of help from Democrats and their media. Strange how a huge drop in gas prices can erase so much of that. Despite Obama, the economy has recovered, even though the jobs haven't recovered because the incentive to work is gone, thanks to Obama and his Democrat friends who feel their pain. The cushion they've provide for them has increased the debt to over $18 trillion. More taxes are being paid and fewer folks are working. Wonder how that happened? Maybe that's why jobs are leaving in record numbers. The tax code is a little rougher on the rich. Now Obama wants to make it worse by proposing an increase in the minimum-wage. Politicians at the federal and state level want to throw a turd in the punchbowl by raising gas taxes.

Yup, too much of a good thing is bad for politicians and they always try to figure a way of taking advantage of it.
That "silly little recession" was among the worst in U.S. history, losing more than 4% GDP, 8 million jobs unemployment and more than 11 million jobs to under/unemployment.

Yet you ignore how or why it all happened.

Also you forget to mention that spending didn't get out of hand under Bush till the Democrats took back Congress or that Obama's first year of spending was $1.88 trillion. He didn't sign a budget till 2013, just one CR after another to cover up all of the spending. He has to increase taxes more than any president in history to bring his deficit spending down to Bush levels.

Nope, it doesn't matter a damn what your statistics show because they are pure bullshit. ypu
It happened because of Republican home ownership policies opened the floodgates to wall street corruption.

And spending during Obama's first year was not $1.88t. Yet another detail you got wrong on your ever growing list.

You're also wrong that he didn't sign a budget bill until 2013...

Barack Obama signs 410bn omnibus spending bill US news The Guardian

You've gotten pretty much every detail wrong.

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $188t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

What else do ya wanna get wrong that I can add to that list?

I never said $188 trillion.
Omnibus bill? It's just a way to avoid the normal budget process. Instead of everything being out in the open and negotiated in commmittee they decide to wrap everything up on short notice with no amendments to speak of. These bills go around the opposition. It's not how the budget was supposed to be done.
My bad ... $1.88t. Corrected list of everything you've gotten wrong in this argument .....

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $1.88t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

So because you lied everything else you say is a lie.

Liar.
 
Faun.post: 10530213 said:
Faun73 said:
Because Reagan tripled the debt and righties didn't care. Bush Sr. was on path to double it and righties didn't care. Bush Jr. was close do doubling it and righties didn't care.

Why on Earth would I give a shit that righties care now for no reason other than the president is a Democrat?

"Deficits don't matter." Remember?

That "silly little recession" was among the worst in U.S. history, losing more than 4% GDP, 8 million jobs unemployment and more than 11 million jobs to under/unemployment.

Yet you ignore how or why it all happened.

Also you forget to mention that spending didn't get out of hand under Bush till the Democrats took back Congress or that Obama's first year of spending was $1.88 trillion. He didn't sign a budget till 2013, just one CR after another to cover up all of the spending. He has to increase taxes more than any president in history to bring his deficit spending down to Bush levels.

Nope, it doesn't matter a damn what your statistics show because they are pure bullshit. ypu
It happened because of Republican home ownership policies opened the floodgates to wall street corruption.

And spending during Obama's first year was not $1.88t. Yet another detail you got wrong on your ever growing list.

You're also wrong that he didn't sign a budget bill until 2013...

Barack Obama signs 410bn omnibus spending bill US news The Guardian

You've gotten pretty much every detail wrong.

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $188t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

What else do ya wanna get wrong that I can add to that list?

I never said $188 trillion.
Omnibus bill? It's just a way to avoid the normal budget process. Instead of everything being out in the open and negotiated in commmittee they decide to wrap everything up on short notice with no amendments to speak of. These bills go around the opposition. It's not how the budget was supposed to be done.
My bad ... $1.88t. Corrected list of everything you've gotten wrong in this argument .....

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $1.88t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

So because you lied everything else you say is a lie.

Liar.
Just how desperate are you? A mistake is not a lie. I missed the decimal point. Meanwhile, you actually did say all of these statements which are incorrect. Sure is a lot for one argument...

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $1.88t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013
 
According to your source:

Historical Debt:
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49

From Sept. 30 2008 - Sept. 30 2009 Congress was able to increase the debt by approx. $1.89 trillion

Now who's responsible for all of that spending? Sure as Hell wasn't Bush, cause he was gone Jan 21.Last thing he signed was TARP and Obama spent half of that. It's pretty funny you wanting to hammer Bush for $1.017 trillion that somehow got assigned to him yet Obama spends nearly twice that much his first year. Oh, that's different.

Yu know, all this spending didn't even get out of control till the Dems took back Congress.

09/30/2014 17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
Democrats take Congressional Control

09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
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Most of it was due to the Great Recession Bush handed Obama. And again, Bush signed a continuing resolution for the first half of FY2009. The debt alone during that period increased almost one trillion dollars.

And you never did answer .... where did you get that $245b figure from? Did you make it up?

Oh, and I wonder why you give Obama a pass on the fact that he has increased the debt twice as much as Bush.
Because Reagan tripled the debt and righties didn't care. Bush Sr. was on path to double it and righties didn't care. Bush Jr. was close do doubling it and righties didn't care.

Why on Earth would I give a shit that righties care now for no reason other than the president is a Democrat?

"Deficits don't matter." Remember?

Bush increased the debt in 8 years $5 trillion yet Obama did that in his first 3 years. Some only want to look at the percentages and not the actual amounts. Where is your objectivity?

Oh, Obama still had to deal with a recession that Bush caused (yet ended in the first quarter of 09'). How terrible for him. What did Obama do with all of that money he was going to use on 'Shovel-ready Job Creation'? Well ... I guess it didn't go to jobs. Who knows where it went, considering the fact that the job participation rate has gone down and more people are collecting Social Security and Food Stamps than ever before.

That silly little recession wasn't as bad as advertised to be honest. It was just a crisis created by hedgfunders along with alot of help from Democrats and their media. Strange how a huge drop in gas prices can erase so much of that. Despite Obama, the economy has recovered, even though the jobs haven't recovered because the incentive to work is gone, thanks to Obama and his Democrat friends who feel their pain. The cushion they've provide for them has increased the debt to over $18 trillion. More taxes are being paid and fewer folks are working. Wonder how that happened? Maybe that's why jobs are leaving in record numbers. The tax code is a little rougher on the rich. Now Obama wants to make it worse by proposing an increase in the minimum-wage. Politicians at the federal and state level want to throw a turd in the punchbowl by raising gas taxes.

Yup, too much of a good thing is bad for politicians and they always try to figure a way of taking advantage of it.
That "silly little recession" was among the worst in U.S. history, losing more than 4% GDP, 8 million jobs unemployment and more than 11 million jobs to under/unemployment.

Yet you ignore how or why it all happened.

Also you forget to mention that spending didn't get out of hand under Bush till the Democrats took back Congress or that Obama's first year of spending was $1.88 trillion. He didn't sign a budget till 2013, just one CR after another to cover up all of the spending. He has to increase taxes more than any president in history to bring his deficit spending down to Bush levels.

Nope, it doesn't matter a damn what your statistics show because they are pure bullshit. ypu
It happened because of Republican home ownership policies opened the floodgates to wall street corruption.

And spending during Obama's first year was not $1.88t. Yet another detail you got wrong on your ever growing list.

You're also wrong that he didn't sign a budget bill until 2013...

Barack Obama signs 410bn omnibus spending bill US news The Guardian

You've gotten pretty much every detail wrong.

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $188t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

What else do ya wanna get wrong that I can add to that list?

Once again the far left proves that they do not understand debt and deficit.

Please post all the fiscal year budgets signed by Obama..
 
mudwhistle post: 10530249 said:
Faun.post: 10530213 said:
Faun73 said:
Yet you ignore how or why it all happened.

Also you forget to mention that spending didn't get out of hand under Bush till the Democrats took back Congress or that Obama's first year of spending was $1.88 trillion. He didn't sign a budget till 2013, just one CR after another to cover up all of the spending. He has to increase taxes more than any president in history to bring his deficit spending down to Bush levels.

Nope, it doesn't matter a damn what your statistics show because they are pure bullshit. ypu
It happened because of Republican home ownership policies opened the floodgates to wall street corruption.

And spending during Obama's first year was not $1.88t. Yet another detail you got wrong on your ever growing list.

You're also wrong that he didn't sign a budget bill until 2013...

Barack Obama signs 410bn omnibus spending bill US news The Guardian

You've gotten pretty much every detail wrong.

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $188t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

What else do ya wanna get wrong that I can add to that list?

I never said $188 trillion.
Omnibus bill? It's just a way to avoid the normal budget process. Instead of everything being out in the open and negotiated in commmittee they decide to wrap everything up on short notice with no amendments to speak of. These bills go around the opposition. It's not how the budget was supposed to be done.
My bad ... $1.88t. Corrected list of everything you've gotten wrong in this argument .....

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $1.88t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

So because you lied everything else you say is a lie.

Liar.
Just how desperate are you? A mistake is not a lie. I missed the decimal point. Meanwhile, you actually did say all of these statements which are incorrect. Sure is a lot for one argument...

FY2008 deficit was $245b
FY2009 spending was $1.88t
FY2009 included ACA
FY2008 included TARP
First trillion dollar deficit occurred under Obama
First budget signed by Obama was in 2013

So a mistake is not a lie?

Bush made a mistake when he said Saddam had WMDs. Right?

TARP was signed in 2008.
The ACA was signed in 2009.
Not one of Obama's budgets passed.
Harry Reid never allowed a vote on any Republican House Budget
Half of the TARP funds were spent by Obama, so that spending belongs to Obama and should be removed from the Bush deficit.
 
I think we'll be shocked when it's all added up at the amount of money this couple abused us taxpayers on traveling expenses. on things such as an outing for golf, Obama's fundraising for HIS PARTY on our dime, or going to give one his ugly speech's every week in the eight years he will have been King. And his wife wasn't any better. AND all of it in the economy where the rest of us were struggling.

Yeah how DARE the Kenyan have a vacation, I mean who does he think he is, human?
"Bathroom break, Boss?"


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