48%: The Democratic Party needs to face an ugly reality

[Cecilie1200]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

And the result is .......... Millions of millions of Americans suffering from total disaster:
1. Evictions.
2. Unemployment.
3. Losing health coverage.
4. Business closures.
5. Hunger.
6. Fear.
7. DEATHS AT 200,000+ and counting.
8. Infections of 7+ millions and counting.

Sooooo what is the plan smart guy? Don’t tell me you want the same ugly bad person who created this pandemonium?

Your lousy dude said mask is not good because a waitress told him. He even mocked Biden for wearing a mask.

Remember the Fifth Avenue Rule. He could shoot somebody and they wouldn't care.

Did you ever imagine that the Rule would come so close to reality? He really knows his fans, give him that.

Leftists actually ARE shooting people, and their base doesn't care. They're cheering.

Does it hurt to be this dishonest and hypocritical?

 

[Mac1958]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

And the result is .......... Millions of millions of Americans suffering from total disaster:
1. Evictions.
2. Unemployment.
3. Losing health coverage.
4. Business closures.
5. Hunger.
6. Fear.
7. DEATHS AT 200,000+ and counting.
8. Infections of 7+ millions and counting.

Sooooo what is the plan smart guy? Don’t tell me you want the same ugly bad person who created this pandemonium?

Your lousy dude said mask is not good because a waitress told him. He even mocked Biden for wearing a mask.

Remember the Fifth Avenue Rule. He could shoot somebody and they wouldn't care.

Did you ever imagine that the Rule would come so close to reality? He really knows his fans, give him that.

Leftists actually ARE shooting people, and their base doesn't care. They're cheering.

Does it hurt to be this dishonest and hypocritical?

Clumsy deflection noted.

You're invited to start a thread on that topic, and invite me in. I'll be more than happy to contribute.

Let's see if you have the guts to take me up on that. I'll wait here.

 

[g5000]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump.

False premise. Only 46 percent voted for him in 2016.

Elections are decided nowadays by the number of voters who stay home on election day, and Trump has turned off a lot of people. 43 percent might approve of him, but that doesn't mean they like him enough to vote for him again.

It is also possible that many people who approve of Trump like Biden more.

 

[LiberalsLIE]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

The frightening thing about you is that you sound rational, and yet you willingly believe lies and reject Truth.

TRUTH: Democrats are the party of infanticide, socialism, government control, smashing Free Speech rights, giving free stuff to illegal aliens, and now they are the party of mobs in the streets burning and destroying cities. See the burning cities and torn down statues, and you see the democrat party world. Mobs.

Republicans are the party of Traditional Values, Liberty and freedom. Donald Trump gave us the lowest unemployment rates since John F Kennedy until the virus hit, and now Democrats are trying to keep the virus going because they are so evil they are happy to destroy the economy simply to defeat Trump.

That is what the election is all about.

Show me someone who hates Trump or thinks he is a bad man and I will show you someone who believe fake news lies and drinks Leftist Kool-Aid by the gallon.

 

[Mac1958]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

The frightening thing about you is that you sound rational, and yet you willingly believe lies and reject Truth.

TRUTH: Democrats are the party of infanticide, socialism, government control, smashing Free Speech rights, giving free stuff to illegal aliens, and now they are the party of mobs in the streets burning and destroying cities. See the burning cities and torn down statues, and you see the democrat party world. Mobs.

Republicans are the party of Traditional Values, Liberty and freedom. Donald Trump gave us the lowest unemployment rates since John F Kennedy until the virus hit, and now Democrats are trying to keep the virus going because they are so evil they are happy to destroy the economy simply to defeat Trump.

That is what the election is all about.

Show me someone who hates Trump or thinks he is a bad man and I will show you someone who believe fake news lies and drinks Leftist Kool-Aid by the gallon.

Well, I'm thrilled to know that I can always go to you for Da Troof.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump.

False premise. Only 46 percent voted for him in 2016.

Elections are decided nowadays by the number of voters who stay home on election day, and Trump has turned off a lot of people. 43 percent might approve of him, but that doesn't mean they like him enough to vote for him again.

It is also possible that many people who approve of Trump like Biden more.

When Trump first ran, a lot of Republicans didn't come out to vote. They didn't like the guy and thought he had no ability to do the job. Now that they seen the results, those people will be out voting for his reelection.

In spite of the virus, the crowds are still huge at Trump gatherings. Biden is no energy as Trump would say. Trump gives off that rock star persona. Biden people, scared to death are running around trying to get more people to register. They know they're in trouble.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

And the result is .......... Millions of millions of Americans suffering from total disaster:
1. Evictions.
2. Unemployment.
3. Losing health coverage.
4. Business closures.
5. Hunger.
6. Fear.
7. DEATHS AT 200,000+ and counting.
8. Infections of 7+ millions and counting.

Sooooo what is the plan smart guy? Don’t tell me you want the same ugly bad person who created this pandemonium?

Your lousy dude said mask is not good because a waitress told him. He even mocked Biden for wearing a mask.

Remember the Fifth Avenue Rule. He could shoot somebody and they wouldn't care.

Did you ever imagine that the Rule would come so close to reality? He really knows his fans, give him that.

Leftists actually ARE shooting people, and their base doesn't care. They're cheering.

Does it hurt to be this dishonest and hypocritical?

Clumsy deflection noted.

You're invited to start a thread on that topic, and invite me in. I'll be more than happy to contribute.

Let's see if you have the guts to take me up on that. I'll wait here.

Clumsy deflection noted.

Only a leftist would think, "I'm going to accuse Republicans of not caring about violent behavior, but it's deflecting to point out that Democrats are actually doing it!" is a thing.

You're invited to hold your breath waiting for your "contributions" to be desired or valued. Or until proving anything to the likes of you matters.

 

[Mac1958]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

And the result is .......... Millions of millions of Americans suffering from total disaster:
1. Evictions.
2. Unemployment.
3. Losing health coverage.
4. Business closures.
5. Hunger.
6. Fear.
7. DEATHS AT 200,000+ and counting.
8. Infections of 7+ millions and counting.

Sooooo what is the plan smart guy? Don’t tell me you want the same ugly bad person who created this pandemonium?

Your lousy dude said mask is not good because a waitress told him. He even mocked Biden for wearing a mask.

Remember the Fifth Avenue Rule. He could shoot somebody and they wouldn't care.

Did you ever imagine that the Rule would come so close to reality? He really knows his fans, give him that.

Leftists actually ARE shooting people, and their base doesn't care. They're cheering.

Does it hurt to be this dishonest and hypocritical?

Clumsy deflection noted.

You're invited to start a thread on that topic, and invite me in. I'll be more than happy to contribute.

Let's see if you have the guts to take me up on that. I'll wait here.

Clumsy deflection noted.

Only a leftist would think, "I'm going to accuse Republicans of not caring about violent behavior, but it's deflecting to point out that Democrats are actually doing it!" is a thing.

You're invited to hold your breath waiting for your "contributions" to be desired or valued. Or until proving anything to the likes of you matters.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Coward.

Dismissed.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

We'll see. I can make the argument that the moderates on the Democratic party side are the exact reason the party is in the position it's in. As you said, not enough of a contrast. On top of that, the older baby boomers in the party just don't seem to be able to fight a ground war against Trump and his supporters on their terms. And I lay the entire fault for that at the feet of the baby boomers that just will not leave and allow some fresh blood out front. Yes, I'll be consistent that I want to see both Republican and Democrat baby boomer politicians taking a hike. I think you would be surprised what we could get done as a country. The basic problem is that most of our country's problems can't be solved with soundbites, memes, gifs, and one or two word slogans. And that is the hallmark of right wing in this country. Unfortunately, it's what the Republican party has become.

Yeah, I keep a pretty close eye on the younger Dems, and I know they're pretty pissed right now. They saw Bernie get pushed out by the baby boomer Dems twice now, and even some of them are pissed at HIM for not fighting more against the Dem establishment. And I do really do get the feeling that, once the Bidens and Pelosis have taken a hike, the party is going to change.

One thing I also find interesting is how the GOP establishment lost control of the party and it belched out Trump, while the Dem establishment was able to hold off Bernie and his supporters. This is a profoundly transitional moment for both parties - Trump is an ugly, clownish one-off, and the Dem establishment is about to topple. I definitely get the feeling there is a "next" on the way.

Unlike the Democrats, we on the right seen our party going in the wrong direction, and that's why we voted for Trump. It was a protest vote; a message we were (and are) hoping the GOP hears. We like this drop in border crossings, we don't want any stupid immigration reform, we want people running for office to give us what they promised, or at least try to.

We on the right made change. We put a successful multi-billionaire in charge of our party, and you put a cocktail waitress in charge of yours.

And the result is .......... Millions of millions of Americans suffering from total disaster:
1. Evictions.
2. Unemployment.
3. Losing health coverage.
4. Business closures.
5. Hunger.
6. Fear.
7. DEATHS AT 200,000+ and counting.
8. Infections of 7+ millions and counting.

Sooooo what is the plan smart guy? Don’t tell me you want the same ugly bad person who created this pandemonium?

Your lousy dude said mask is not good because a waitress told him. He even mocked Biden for wearing a mask.

Remember the Fifth Avenue Rule. He could shoot somebody and they wouldn't care.

Did you ever imagine that the Rule would come so close to reality? He really knows his fans, give him that.

Leftists actually ARE shooting people, and their base doesn't care. They're cheering.

Does it hurt to be this dishonest and hypocritical?

Clumsy deflection noted.

You're invited to start a thread on that topic, and invite me in. I'll be more than happy to contribute.

Let's see if you have the guts to take me up on that. I'll wait here.

Clumsy deflection noted.

Only a leftist would think, "I'm going to accuse Republicans of not caring about violent behavior, but it's deflecting to point out that Democrats are actually doing it!" is a thing.

You're invited to hold your breath waiting for your "contributions" to be desired or valued. Or until proving anything to the likes of you matters.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Coward.

Dismissed.

Yeah, I thought so.

Coward.

Don't care.

 

[candycorn]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

 

[dblack]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.

 

[candycorn]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.

I should know better but here it goes...

Imagine what would happen if Biden put into place a plan to pay for education like we have for social security except reverse it. With SS you pay all your work life and then get a reward at the end. Pay for two years of the education/job training up front (books, tuition, fees, uniforms, etc...) and then deduct the costs of it over the working life. But (as anyone who has had work on their car done can tell you) waive the repayment or part of the repayment if you go into the trades such as auto/body or ac/refrigeration technician. Make it available to anyone who wants to learn. If you're graduating high school...you're able to go to college right off the bat. If you're already in the work force, you can go back on your own schedule. If you're already into a career and want to, I don't know, learn another language to get a promotion... Joe's got you covered.

Anyway...imagine the families in the smaller towns in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania whose kids are graduating with two options; work at the Wal*Mart or the Dairy Queen. Perhaps they could see a new possibility if such a program was in place to where they didn't need to qualify for a loan using a formula written by some think thank, they didn't need to worry about books, tuition, fees, or uniforms, they didn't need to do anything other than show up and learn. Perhaps they could get a job repairing diesel engines or become a nurse instead of just accepting their fate in retail. Its not only good policy...it's good politics. We need to get this done tomorrow!

Of course Biden will never do any thing that doesn't involve decades old thinking. I read his "beyond high school" plan. He still mentions the "Pell Grant"...that was around when I graduated high school decades ago.

 

[dblack]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.

I should know better but here it goes...

Imagine what would happen if Biden put into place a plan to pay for education like we have for social security except reverse it. With SS you pay all your work life and then get a reward at the end. Pay for two years of the education/job training up front (books, tuition, fees, uniforms, etc...) and then deduct the costs of it over the working life. But (as anyone who has had work on their car done can tell you) waive the repayment or part of the repayment if you go into the trades such as auto/body or ac/refrigeration technician. Make it available to anyone who wants to learn. If you're graduating high school...you're able to go to college right off the bat. If you're already in the work force, you can go back on your own schedule. If you're already into a career and want to, I don't know, learn another language to get a? promotion... Joe's got you covered.

Anyway...imagine the families in the smaller towns in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania whose kids are graduating with two options; work at the Wal*Mart or the Dairy Queen. Perhaps they could see a new possibility if such a program was in place to where they didn't need to qualify for a loan using a formula written by some think thank, they didn't need to worry about books, tuition, fees, or uniforms, they didn't need to do anything other than show up and learn. Perhaps they could get a job repairing diesel engines or become a nurse instead of just accepting their fate in retail. Its not only good policy...it's good politics. We need to get this done tomorrow!

What does that have to do with the conversation? Were you perhaps responding to a different post?

 

[candycorn]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.

I should know better but here it goes...

Imagine what would happen if Biden put into place a plan to pay for education like we have for social security except reverse it. With SS you pay all your work life and then get a reward at the end. Pay for two years of the education/job training up front (books, tuition, fees, uniforms, etc...) and then deduct the costs of it over the working life. But (as anyone who has had work on their car done can tell you) waive the repayment or part of the repayment if you go into the trades such as auto/body or ac/refrigeration technician. Make it available to anyone who wants to learn. If you're graduating high school...you're able to go to college right off the bat. If you're already in the work force, you can go back on your own schedule. If you're already into a career and want to, I don't know, learn another language to get a? promotion... Joe's got you covered.

Anyway...imagine the families in the smaller towns in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania whose kids are graduating with two options; work at the Wal*Mart or the Dairy Queen. Perhaps they could see a new possibility if such a program was in place to where they didn't need to qualify for a loan using a formula written by some think thank, they didn't need to worry about books, tuition, fees, or uniforms, they didn't need to do anything other than show up and learn. Perhaps they could get a job repairing diesel engines or become a nurse instead of just accepting their fate in retail. Its not only good policy...it's good politics. We need to get this done tomorrow!

What does that have to do with the conversation? Were you perhaps responding to a different post?

I was pointing out (I edited my post you responded to by the way) that the Democrats are not bold enough to take ground. They are playing the same hand the same way and relying on the GOP being so repugnant. I was pointing out a way that, I think, they could gain some ground proactively. The middle class voters think the Democrats don't understand them. they are pretty much right. Imagine what would happen if you shifted the paradigm away from the same-old same-old to some really inventive thinking to where, again, you don't have three generations of the same family working at Wal*Mart or for the school district. There is nothing wrong with those jobs. Its just that those jobs are a lot times, the only options. Pay for thousands of HS grads to go to UTI or Lincoln Tech. Its a way to perhaps change the "ugly reality".

 

[dblack]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.

I should know better but here it goes...

Imagine what would happen if Biden put into place a plan to pay for education like we have for social security except reverse it. With SS you pay all your work life and then get a reward at the end. Pay for two years of the education/job training up front (books, tuition, fees, uniforms, etc...) and then deduct the costs of it over the working life. But (as anyone who has had work on their car done can tell you) waive the repayment or part of the repayment if you go into the trades such as auto/body or ac/refrigeration technician. Make it available to anyone who wants to learn. If you're graduating high school...you're able to go to college right off the bat. If you're already in the work force, you can go back on your own schedule. If you're already into a career and want to, I don't know, learn another language to get a? promotion... Joe's got you covered.

Anyway...imagine the families in the smaller towns in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania whose kids are graduating with two options; work at the Wal*Mart or the Dairy Queen. Perhaps they could see a new possibility if such a program was in place to where they didn't need to qualify for a loan using a formula written by some think thank, they didn't need to worry about books, tuition, fees, or uniforms, they didn't need to do anything other than show up and learn. Perhaps they could get a job repairing diesel engines or become a nurse instead of just accepting their fate in retail. Its not only good policy...it's good politics. We need to get this done tomorrow!

What does that have to do with the conversation? Were you perhaps responding to a different post?

I was pointing out (I edited my post you responded to by the way) that the Democrats are not bold enough to take ground. They are playing the same hand the same way and relying on the GOP being so repugnant. I was pointing out a way that, I think, they could gain some ground proactively. The middle class voters think the Democrats don't understand them. they are pretty much right. Imagine what would happen if you shifted the paradigm away from the same-old same-old to some really inventive thinking to where, again, you don't have three generations of the same family working at Wal*Mart or for the school district. There is nothing wrong with those jobs. Its just that those jobs are a lot times, the only options. Pay for thousands of HS grads to go to UTI or Lincoln Tech. Its a way to perhaps change the "ugly reality".

Oh, ok. I don't think that would really address the issue. Two opposed parties is baked into our election system. They're always going to find something to fight about.

 

[candycorn]

Oh, ok. I don't think that would really address the issue. Two opposed parties is baked into our election system. They're always going to find something to fight about.

You wrote " The parties define themselves in opposition. "

My message was "Imagine if voters could actually vote for someone instead of just casting a ballot to eject someone?"

The reason Apple doesn't really have any competitors is because they check all the boxes. Their products are innovative, they work, and they satisfy the user. I was throwing something out there that would be the proverbial "Not just good policy but good politics" because (speaking to the thread title and the OP) it speaks to the delima that average American families face.

 

[dblack]

Oh, ok. I don't think that would really address the issue. Two opposed parties is baked into our election system. They're always going to find something to fight about.

You wrote " The parties define themselves in opposition. "

Yes. I was responding to your claim that we need a 3rd party, and explaining why i don't think it will happen under our current system.

My message was "Imagine if voters could actually vote for someone instead of just casting a ballot to eject someone?"

The reason Apple doesn't really have any competitors is because they check all the boxes. Their products are innovative, they work, and they satisfy the user. I was throwing something out there that would be the proverbial "Not just good policy but good politics" because (speaking to the thread title and the OP) it speaks to the delima that average American families face.

OK

 

[JoeB131]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Why is this a big surprise?

In 1976, Jerry Ford got 48% of the vote.

That was with a humiliating defeat in Vietnam the year before.
Runaway inflation
A recession
The lingering stench of Watergate and his pardon of Nixon.

In 2004, George W. Bush got 51% of the vote.

This was despite a disastrous war in Iraq.
Having effectively stolen the election in 2000
An ongoing recession
The worst terror attack in history.

So Trump got 48% of the vote despite Covid, the recession and riots in the streets. Because at the end of the day, people will be more inclined to vote for a BAD status quo than take a risk on an unknown. And because people just won't be ready to admit they made a mistake by letting the guy win the first time.

Now, ugly reality- people WILL abandon an incumbent if given a third choice. John Anderson in 1980 or H. Ross Perot in 1992. It gives them permission to change their minds without admitting they made a mistake.

 

[Billiejeens]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

 

[candycorn]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.

We have a binary system.

We haven't always had one...