20 years ago the Wichita attack happened...one of the reasons I believe in the right to own and carry guns for self defense.

[2aguy]

These people were minding their own business.......likely believed they were safe......and then evil destroyed their lives. This is one of the cases that impacted my views on self defense and the ability to own and carry guns.

I wonder if you spoke to the victims before they were attacked, if they would have believed this could ever have happened to them....? Would they have told us......No one in my family has ever been a victim of crime.......?

The Carrs’ first victim was 23 year-old Andrew Schreiber. The latter stopped off at a convenience store when the Carrs forced their way into his car and forced him to drive around town while stopping at various ATM machines. Schreiber was eventually made to drive to a field where his captors pistol-whipped him and shot out one of his tires before driving off in another vehicle.

Andrew at least lived. The same could not be said for Ann Walenta, a librarian and cellist in her 50s. Four days after Schreiber was carjacked, abducted, assaulted, and robbed, the two scumbags who attacked him targeted Walenta as she sat parked in her own driveway. The Carrs were looking to commandeer SUVs while forcing their owners to drive to ATM machines. Walenta drove an SUV. When the Carrs approached her, being suspicious of their intentions, Walenta rolled her window down just slightly. Unfortunately, though, it was just enough for them to insert a gun into the opening and blast her multiple times as she tried to drive off.

The attack left her paralyzed from the neck down. Three weeks later, she would die from her injuries—but not before she was able to help the police identify her assailants.

The Carrs’ reign of terror would reach its climax three days later in what can only be described as a series of acts of unadulterated evil.

Jason Befort, a 26 year-old high school science teacher and coach, Bradley Heyka, a 27 year-old financial analyst, and 29 year-old Aaron Sander, who was preparing to enter the priesthood, shared a home. A woman who, for her own protection and for the sake of her own privacy, remains publicly known only as “Holly,” an elementary school teacher, was Befort’s girlfriend. She and her friend Heather Muller, a church pre-school teacher, were staying over.

Shortly after 11:00 PM, the Carr brothers somehow manipulated their way into the home. Armed with guns, they corralled all five of its inhabitants into a bedroom closet—but not before commanding them to remove all of their clothes. Then, over a span of the next couple of hours, hell was unleashed as the Carrs took turns raping Holly and Heather and forcing their victims to perform sexual acts upon one another.

Holly and Heather were forced to digitally and orally penetrate one another. Jason was ordered to have sex with Holly, but when the Carrs discovered that they were a couple, they were made to stop and Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander were assigned the task. Sander’s initial refusal to comply was met with the butt of a pistol to the back of his head.

Holly was sent back to the closet and Heather was brought forth so that Sander could have sex with her. When he couldn’t get an erection, the Carrs beat him with a golf club. They then warned him that if he couldn’t get erect within the next two minutes, that they were going to kill him. Time passed and Sander, evidently unable to get aroused with a gun to his head, was nevertheless not killed.

At least he wasn’t killed at that moment.

During the midst of this ordeal, one Carr brother would drive their prey to the bank while the other would stay behind and sexually torment the others.

They also rummaged around throughout the house looking for money. In doing so, they discovered a diamond ring.

It was the ring that Jason Befort was planning on giving to Holly when he proposed to her the following Friday night. “That’s for you,” he told Holly. “I was going to ask you to marry me.”

The Carrs decided that they were going to end the evening by taking their victims for a ride. Upon realizing that the trunk of Sander’s Honda Accord wasn’t sufficiently spacious to accommodate five people, they chose instead to squeeze the three men into it. Jonathan Carr would drive the Honda with Heather Muller as his passenger, and Reginald Carr would drive Jason Befort’s truck with Holly by his side.

They arrived at a barren field. In freezing cold temperatures, in the snow and ice, the Carrs made their victims, all of whom were barely dressed, to get down on their knees. Then, as the shivering, traumatized five pleaded for their lives, the Carrs shot them, one at a time, in the backs of their heads.

The monsters weren’t done. They jumped into Befort’s truck and drove over the bodies of the three men and two women who they just disposed of like so much trash.

Four of the five died. Holly, however, survived. What neither she nor the Carrs counted on was her plastic barrette deflecting the bullet to another location of her skull.

Holly felt herself get shot and subsequently kicked over by the shooter. She played dead and actually felt the truck hit her body too.

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And?

600 million guns in private hands in the U.S. Over 19.4 million people can carry guns in public for self defense.

Accidental deaths by gun?

2018.....458

Cars.... 37,991

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20 Leading Causes of Unintentional Injury Deaths, United States
2018, All Races, Both Sexes
All Ages
Number of
Cause of Death Deaths
All Unintentional Injury Deaths 167,127
Unintentional Poisoning 62,399
Unintentional MV Traffic 37,991
Unintentional Fall 37,455
Unintentional Suffocation 6,701
Unintentional Unspecified 6,082
Unintentional Drowning 3,710
Unintentional Fire/burn 3,064
Unintentional Natural/ Environment 2,003
Unintentional Other Spec., 1,395
classifiable
Unintentional Other Land Transport 1,159
Unintentional Other Spec., NEC 1,058
Unintentional Pedestrian, Other 976
Unintentional Struck by or Against 827
Unintentional Other Transport 817
Unintentional Machinery 525
Unintentional Firearm 458
Unintentional Pedal cyclist, Other 342
Unintentional Cut/pierce 147
Unintentional Overexertion 18
All Others 0

 

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[miketx]

Unfortunately data does not support your argument about crimes being deterred by more guns being available to the public. If you look at violent crimes in particular, nations with the most relaxed gun laws (The US often leads the world in violent crimes) have more not less violence. This being said, the 2nd Amendment is like the rest of the Bill of Rights, if you start taking away or limiting any of these rights, you pretty much piss them all away. So really, please keep all of your guns but stop using faulty logic to justify it.

Stop lying.

 

[miketx]

These people were minding their own business.......likely believed they were safe......and then evil destroyed their lives. This is one of the cases that impacted my views on self defense and the ability to own and carry guns.

I wonder if you spoke to the victims before they were attacked, if they would have believed this could ever have happened to them....? Would they have told us......No one in my family has ever been a victim of crime.......?

The Carrs’ first victim was 23 year-old Andrew Schreiber. The latter stopped off at a convenience store when the Carrs forced their way into his car and forced him to drive around town while stopping at various ATM machines. Schreiber was eventually made to drive to a field where his captors pistol-whipped him and shot out one of his tires before driving off in another vehicle.

Andrew at least lived. The same could not be said for Ann Walenta, a librarian and cellist in her 50s. Four days after Schreiber was carjacked, abducted, assaulted, and robbed, the two scumbags who attacked him targeted Walenta as she sat parked in her own driveway. The Carrs were looking to commandeer SUVs while forcing their owners to drive to ATM machines. Walenta drove an SUV. When the Carrs approached her, being suspicious of their intentions, Walenta rolled her window down just slightly. Unfortunately, though, it was just enough for them to insert a gun into the opening and blast her multiple times as she tried to drive off.

The attack left her paralyzed from the neck down. Three weeks later, she would die from her injuries—but not before she was able to help the police identify her assailants.

The Carrs’ reign of terror would reach its climax three days later in what can only be described as a series of acts of unadulterated evil.

Jason Befort, a 26 year-old high school science teacher and coach, Bradley Heyka, a 27 year-old financial analyst, and 29 year-old Aaron Sander, who was preparing to enter the priesthood, shared a home. A woman who, for her own protection and for the sake of her own privacy, remains publicly known only as “Holly,” an elementary school teacher, was Befort’s girlfriend. She and her friend Heather Muller, a church pre-school teacher, were staying over.

Shortly after 11:00 PM, the Carr brothers somehow manipulated their way into the home. Armed with guns, they corralled all five of its inhabitants into a bedroom closet—but not before commanding them to remove all of their clothes. Then, over a span of the next couple of hours, hell was unleashed as the Carrs took turns raping Holly and Heather and forcing their victims to perform sexual acts upon one another.

Holly and Heather were forced to digitally and orally penetrate one another. Jason was ordered to have sex with Holly, but when the Carrs discovered that they were a couple, they were made to stop and Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander were assigned the task. Sander’s initial refusal to comply was met with the butt of a pistol to the back of his head.

Holly was sent back to the closet and Heather was brought forth so that Sander could have sex with her. When he couldn’t get an erection, the Carrs beat him with a golf club. They then warned him that if he couldn’t get erect within the next two minutes, that they were going to kill him. Time passed and Sander, evidently unable to get aroused with a gun to his head, was nevertheless not killed.

At least he wasn’t killed at that moment.

During the midst of this ordeal, one Carr brother would drive their prey to the bank while the other would stay behind and sexually torment the others.

They also rummaged around throughout the house looking for money. In doing so, they discovered a diamond ring.

It was the ring that Jason Befort was planning on giving to Holly when he proposed to her the following Friday night. “That’s for you,” he told Holly. “I was going to ask you to marry me.”

The Carrs decided that they were going to end the evening by taking their victims for a ride. Upon realizing that the trunk of Sander’s Honda Accord wasn’t sufficiently spacious to accommodate five people, they chose instead to squeeze the three men into it. Jonathan Carr would drive the Honda with Heather Muller as his passenger, and Reginald Carr would drive Jason Befort’s truck with Holly by his side.

They arrived at a barren field. In freezing cold temperatures, in the snow and ice, the Carrs made their victims, all of whom were barely dressed, to get down on their knees. Then, as the shivering, traumatized five pleaded for their lives, the Carrs shot them, one at a time, in the backs of their heads.

The monsters weren’t done. They jumped into Befort’s truck and drove over the bodies of the three men and two women who they just disposed of like so much trash.

Four of the five died. Holly, however, survived. What neither she nor the Carrs counted on was her plastic barrette deflecting the bullet to another location of her skull.

Holly felt herself get shot and subsequently kicked over by the shooter. She played dead and actually felt the truck hit her body too.

The Wichita Horror: 20th Anniversary | Frontpage Mag

In the era of Black Lives Matter when, as the indefatigable Colin Flaherty terms it, “the greatest lie of our generation”—the Big Lie that black people “are

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These kind of things happen all too often and like you, they have impressed upon me the need for guns. Plus the government allows this kind of shit to happen.

 

[miketx]

Unfortunately data does not support your argument about crimes being deterred by more guns being available to the public. If you look at violent crimes in particular, nations with the most relaxed gun laws (The US often leads the world in violent crimes) have more not less violence. This being said, the 2nd Amendment is like the rest of the Bill of Rights, if you start taking away or limiting any of these rights, you pretty much piss them all away. So really, please keep all of your guns but stop using faulty logic to justify it.

Total bullshit. The reason crime is so high is because scumbag demoroids keep releasing violent criminals. Probably politicians you voted for.

 

[miketx]

These people were minding their own business.......likely believed they were safe......and then evil destroyed their lives. This is one of the cases that impacted my views on self defense and the ability to own and carry guns.

I wonder if you spoke to the victims before they were attacked, if they would have believed this could ever have happened to them....? Would they have told us......No one in my family has ever been a victim of crime.......?

The Carrs’ first victim was 23 year-old Andrew Schreiber. The latter stopped off at a convenience store when the Carrs forced their way into his car and forced him to drive around town while stopping at various ATM machines. Schreiber was eventually made to drive to a field where his captors pistol-whipped him and shot out one of his tires before driving off in another vehicle.

Andrew at least lived. The same could not be said for Ann Walenta, a librarian and cellist in her 50s. Four days after Schreiber was carjacked, abducted, assaulted, and robbed, the two scumbags who attacked him targeted Walenta as she sat parked in her own driveway. The Carrs were looking to commandeer SUVs while forcing their owners to drive to ATM machines. Walenta drove an SUV. When the Carrs approached her, being suspicious of their intentions, Walenta rolled her window down just slightly. Unfortunately, though, it was just enough for them to insert a gun into the opening and blast her multiple times as she tried to drive off.

The attack left her paralyzed from the neck down. Three weeks later, she would die from her injuries—but not before she was able to help the police identify her assailants.

The Carrs’ reign of terror would reach its climax three days later in what can only be described as a series of acts of unadulterated evil.

Jason Befort, a 26 year-old high school science teacher and coach, Bradley Heyka, a 27 year-old financial analyst, and 29 year-old Aaron Sander, who was preparing to enter the priesthood, shared a home. A woman who, for her own protection and for the sake of her own privacy, remains publicly known only as “Holly,” an elementary school teacher, was Befort’s girlfriend. She and her friend Heather Muller, a church pre-school teacher, were staying over.

Shortly after 11:00 PM, the Carr brothers somehow manipulated their way into the home. Armed with guns, they corralled all five of its inhabitants into a bedroom closet—but not before commanding them to remove all of their clothes. Then, over a span of the next couple of hours, hell was unleashed as the Carrs took turns raping Holly and Heather and forcing their victims to perform sexual acts upon one another.

Holly and Heather were forced to digitally and orally penetrate one another. Jason was ordered to have sex with Holly, but when the Carrs discovered that they were a couple, they were made to stop and Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander were assigned the task. Sander’s initial refusal to comply was met with the butt of a pistol to the back of his head.

Holly was sent back to the closet and Heather was brought forth so that Sander could have sex with her. When he couldn’t get an erection, the Carrs beat him with a golf club. They then warned him that if he couldn’t get erect within the next two minutes, that they were going to kill him. Time passed and Sander, evidently unable to get aroused with a gun to his head, was nevertheless not killed.

At least he wasn’t killed at that moment.

During the midst of this ordeal, one Carr brother would drive their prey to the bank while the other would stay behind and sexually torment the others.

They also rummaged around throughout the house looking for money. In doing so, they discovered a diamond ring.

It was the ring that Jason Befort was planning on giving to Holly when he proposed to her the following Friday night. “That’s for you,” he told Holly. “I was going to ask you to marry me.”

The Carrs decided that they were going to end the evening by taking their victims for a ride. Upon realizing that the trunk of Sander’s Honda Accord wasn’t sufficiently spacious to accommodate five people, they chose instead to squeeze the three men into it. Jonathan Carr would drive the Honda with Heather Muller as his passenger, and Reginald Carr would drive Jason Befort’s truck with Holly by his side.

They arrived at a barren field. In freezing cold temperatures, in the snow and ice, the Carrs made their victims, all of whom were barely dressed, to get down on their knees. Then, as the shivering, traumatized five pleaded for their lives, the Carrs shot them, one at a time, in the backs of their heads.

The monsters weren’t done. They jumped into Befort’s truck and drove over the bodies of the three men and two women who they just disposed of like so much trash.

Four of the five died. Holly, however, survived. What neither she nor the Carrs counted on was her plastic barrette deflecting the bullet to another location of her skull.

Holly felt herself get shot and subsequently kicked over by the shooter. She played dead and actually felt the truck hit her body too.

The Wichita Horror: 20th Anniversary | Frontpage Mag

In the era of Black Lives Matter when, as the indefatigable Colin Flaherty terms it, “the greatest lie of our generation”—the Big Lie that black people “are

www.frontpagemag.com