2 protests: One, Armed citizens, no riot, no looting. The other....riots, fires, looting, violence

[2aguy]

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

And here........

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[Norman]

Leftists are siding with the looters while claiming president Trump is glorifying violence for condemning them.

Enemy of the people.

 

[Flash]

 

[PoliticalChic]

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

And here........

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

Informative, and comforting.

 

[2aguy]

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

And here........

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
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Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

 

[Likkmee]

A wise man once said:"The darker the skin,the greater the sin"

 

[Deleted member 73486]

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

And here......actual research...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

Here's something to consider, as a counter point:

States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, and children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries, where gun ownership is much less common. About half of gun accident fatalities happen to people under 25, and some recent analyses suggest that the official count of gun accident deaths among children is understated.

 

[easyt65]

So black people pissed off about something
riot, loot, burn, and destroy buildings,
businesses, and homes of people they
don't know who had nothing to do with
what they claim to be pissed about....

I wonder how they would react if someone
else - maybe white people - people they did
not know, rioted, looted THEIR stores, burned
and destroyed THEIR buildings and THEIR business
and THEIR homes even though they had nothing
to do with whatever these people were so pissed about?!



.

 

[2aguy]

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

And here......actual research...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

Here's something to consider, as a counter point:

States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, and children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries, where gun ownership is much less common. About half of gun accident fatalities happen to people under 25, and some recent analyses suggest that the official count of gun accident deaths among children is understated.

No.......you are wrong. We have 600 million guns in this country, over 18.2 million people carry guns for self defense in this country and accidental gun deaths have gone down, not up, as those ownership rates have gone up.....consider that.

Your premise is wrong.....more people owning more guns and the accidental gun death rate went down, not up....

Accidental gun deaths.....in this country occur most of the time to criminals, who do not keep their guns safely, but keep their guns where they can use them against other criminals....that is the truth....

The understating of children gun deaths is a myth, because those anti-gun health experts want to use 0-26 as the age range for "children" in their studies....

From the CDC....actual stats....

Accidental gun deaths....
Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html

2018....458
2017....486
2016 495
2015...489http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

2014.....461

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

 

[depotoo]

Antifa thugs and their brothers showed up to instigate. There is plenty of proof of that.

 

[2aguy]

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

And here......actual research...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

Here's something to consider, as a counter point:

States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, and children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries, where gun ownership is much less common. About half of gun accident fatalities happen to people under 25, and some recent analyses suggest that the official count of gun accident deaths among children is understated.

From the Centers for Disease Control.....

Accidental death by gun for children 0-14..... I use that age range to filter out active gang members who use guns to fight other gangs.......

Again....keep in mind.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

Kids <1-14...

2018....54
2017...62
2016...74
2015...48
2014...50
2013...69
2012...58
2011...74
2010...62
2009...48
2008...62
2007...65
2006...54
2005...75
2004...63
2003...56
2002...60
2001...72
2000...86
1999...88

 

[Rigby5]

Both protests are valid and government is wrong in both cases.
But most poor people do not have and can not afford ARs, so that is not a protect path available to them.
So arson will have to do.

 

[2aguy]

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

And here......actual research...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

Here's something to consider, as a counter point:

States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, and children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries, where gun ownership is much less common. About half of gun accident fatalities happen to people under 25, and some recent analyses suggest that the official count of gun accident deaths among children is understated.

This is the problem with your sides part of the research...your guys lie.....

Do you think a 16-20 year old gang member is the same as a kid who isn't a career criminal......? The 15 year old criminals are the ones they are using for their research to skew the numbers............

When you see research or stories on "kids" and guns? You need to see the age range that the anti-gun researchers are using to define "child."

Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or killed by guns every year

A new gun study shows that injuries from firearms send nearly 7,000 kids to the hospital every year, and an additional 3,000 children die from gunshot wounds.

www.msnbc.com

n the 2009 Kids’ Inpatient Database (KID), 7,391 children under the age of 20 had been hospitalized for injuries from firearms and the majority of those gunshot injuries

Do you consider 15-20 year old gang members using illegal guns for crime as normal "Children?"

The majority of those "Children" are in their late teens shooting each other over gang territory and Facebook insults.........

 

[2aguy]

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

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Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

No, it isn't false equivalency.......we are constantly told that More Guns = More Gun Crime....

And the two protests point out, again, the complete fallacy of that belief......

You guys tell us that guns cause murder and crime....that the mere presence of a gun in the home will cause a husband to murder his wife over the slightest argument....you tell us that guns cause more crime.......

You are wrong. Nothing you "feel" about guns and gun owners is true.....not one thing.

Here's a factual study for you, whether or not you believe it (as many conservatives don't rely on science and reason):

Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

And here......actual research...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

Here's something to consider, as a counter point:

States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, and children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries, where gun ownership is much less common. About half of gun accident fatalities happen to people under 25, and some recent analyses suggest that the official count of gun accident deaths among children is understated.

And any research conducted by David Hemenway is going to be innaccurate and a lie......he has a long history of bad research, that is based on his agenda instead of the actual facts.....

 

[2aguy]

So......another protest......people actually shot...something tells me these rioters are not members of the NRA or the Republican party....

7 Shot In Louisville Amid Protests Over Killing Of Breonna Taylor | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

 

[FA_Q2]

The left wing morons on the cable stations were complaining about the reaction to the two very different protests....the Chinese Flu lockdown protests vs. the killing of the Black American protest....

The left wing morons said the police didn't do anything to the Chinese Flu lockdown protests even though people showed up at state capitols with AR-15 rifles and carrying pistols....

The police during the protests of the police officers killing the Black American used tear gas to disperse the crowds...

Of course, being left wing morons, they failed to note the important distinction between the two protests...

The Chinese Flu lockdown protests where a few members of the crowd carried AR-15 rifles....did not break any laws, did not fire those weapons, did not threaten anyone, did not beat up women in wheel chairs, did not loot stores, burn police buildings, burn Target stores, start fires in general, and did not engage in the looting and destruction of businesses....

The Protests of the police officers who killed the Black American......allowed members to break the law, fired their illegal guns, threatened to murder other Americans, beat up a woman in a wheel chair, looted stores, burned businesses and police stations

Do you understand the difference between the reactions of the police to the Chinese Flu Lockdown protestors and the killing of the Black American police protests now?

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the arson detectives finally determine what kind of accelerant was used to start the fire which destroyed an apartment building under construction, when George Floyd has been laid to rest, there will still be questions about the lady in the wheelchair.



The woman, identified by The New York Post as “Jennifer” was beaten, sprayed, pummeled, and given a fire extinguisher ‘shower’ while apparently trying to stop rioters from looting in Minneapolis Wednesday night. She placed herself in the doorway of the Target to prevent looters from getting away, she said later.

It was a fool’s errand.

Beating up Jennifer made as much sense as the looting in the first place.

Woman in Wheelchair Is Beaten by Minneapolis Rioters Who Then Claim She 'Deserved' It

When the embers turn cold after the torching of the Auto Zone and what’s left of the Target store picked apart by looters and rioters is put into sandwich-sized baggies and discarded; when the a...

pjmedia.com

Well, this is worth some consideration. However, please note that there is a HUGE difference between being strangled to death and having your favorite restaurant, nail salon, or massage parlor closed due to public health concerns. I scream false equivalency, which, unfortunately, is a favorite tactic of the conservatives. These two things are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being equivalent. Take a theory of knowledge class. It will help you discern the difference, and hence the different reactions.

There is a difference, one is an outlier case that is not representative of the whole in any shape or form and the other is directly impacting the people protesting.
One is a protest and the other is an excuse to hurt other people IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.

That is the real rub with these asinine idiots - they are out there destroying stores, property and housing that directly impacts the looters themselves. These are the very same areas that will be pissing and moaning about the lack of jobs, stores and grocers in their areas. The same people that need low income housing are burning down housing construction. It is the height of idiocy. They are not even attacking the people they claim to have the grievance against.