100,000 people shot in the US per year! Good guy saving lives?

[WinterBorn]

Yes but we have lots of guns ray. And just like you get gun courage, armed criminals have it too. The guy who would be too scared to commit a crime without a gun, now finds the courage.

No, that's not how it works. Criminals don't become criminals because they have access to guns. They are criminals because they are criminals. The only thing to stop them is prison or gun them down yourself.

Just like the results in London. The lack of guns didn't stop the criminals from committing crime, they just found a different way to commit the same crimes.

So make guns illegal. Yeah, that will stop the criminals from getting guns.......not. Recreational narcotic have been illegal my entire life, yet we have a worse problem with them today than we did 30 years ago.

It is a tool used often in crime. And again, they get the same gun courage as you ray, you should understand that.

The UK has a much lower homicide rate than us.

And we have been seeing how too many guns increases crime. We have had lots of unrest which has increased crime. Our police are shot and killed regularly(something which is very rare in the UK), and so they too shoot and kill lots of people. This has caused unrest that increased crime. And all these shootings remove police from the streets so hurts policing. These things aren't happening where there is strong gun control.

Hey brain New York, Chicago murder rate is out of sight and they have gun laws.

Only brainwashed dupes bring up Chicago! St. Louis does not have any gun restrictions & has the highest violent crime rate. Keeping guns from crazies & locking up violent criminals is how to reduce violent crime.

If you want to lock up violent criminals you have to un-elect democrats...who keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail.....

Part of the problem is the overcrowding in our jails. And that relates to the mandatory sentences for nonviolent drug offenses, especially pot. Get rid of those, let the people out, and keep the violent offenders locked up.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, that's not how it works. Criminals don't become criminals because they have access to guns. They are criminals because they are criminals. The only thing to stop them is prison or gun them down yourself.

Just like the results in London. The lack of guns didn't stop the criminals from committing crime, they just found a different way to commit the same crimes.

So make guns illegal. Yeah, that will stop the criminals from getting guns.......not. Recreational narcotic have been illegal my entire life, yet we have a worse problem with them today than we did 30 years ago.

It is a tool used often in crime. And again, they get the same gun courage as you ray, you should understand that.

The UK has a much lower homicide rate than us.

And we have been seeing how too many guns increases crime. We have had lots of unrest which has increased crime. Our police are shot and killed regularly(something which is very rare in the UK), and so they too shoot and kill lots of people. This has caused unrest that increased crime. And all these shootings remove police from the streets so hurts policing. These things aren't happening where there is strong gun control.

Hey brain New York, Chicago murder rate is out of sight and they have gun laws.

Only brainwashed dupes bring up Chicago! St. Louis does not have any gun restrictions & has the highest violent crime rate. Keeping guns from crazies & locking up violent criminals is how to reduce violent crime.

If you want to lock up violent criminals you have to un-elect democrats...who keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail.....

Part of the problem is the overcrowding in our jails. And that relates to the mandatory sentences for nonviolent drug offenses, especially pot. Get rid of those, let the people out, and keep the violent offenders locked up.

Very few people are in prison for pot alone. The either had it on them in a commission of another crime or they were selling large quantities of it.

In the last three years I've been to two funerals partly or entirely due to drug usage. What's the difference in selling these people something that will kill them or just pulling the trigger of the gun yourself? I'm pretty convinced that selling drugs is a violent crime, so maybe the better idea is to build more prisons.

 

[KissMy]

Crime, Shootings & Mass Shootings are all way UP under Trump. Clinton Lowered Crime More than any president in History!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Crime, Shootings & Mass Shootings are all way UP under Trump. Clinton Lowered Crime More than any president in History!

Those went up during the entire Obama administration. President Trump never addressed the gun issue nor repealed any law on firearms. How would he be responsible for that when it's liberal cities that promote all the violence?

 

[Markle]

Part of the problem is the overcrowding in our jails. And that relates to the mandatory sentences for nonviolent drug offenses, especially pot. Get rid of those, let the people out, and keep the violent offenders locked up.

As you know well, for many years now Drug Court has intervened with folks arrested for simple possession of marijuana. So that eliminates one of your imaginary problems.

Joe Biden was proud of the 1994 Crime Bill that disproportionately imprisoned far more blacks than whites for virtually the same crime. Joe was V. P. for eight years and did NOTHING to correct his own signature legislation.

It was PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP who corrected that legislation and worked to release thousands of people serving unjust prison sentences. Why didn't Joe and Barack do that when they had the chance?

 

[WinterBorn]

Part of the problem is the overcrowding in our jails. And that relates to the mandatory sentences for nonviolent drug offenses, especially pot. Get rid of those, let the people out, and keep the violent offenders locked up.

As you know well, for many years now Drug Court has intervened with folks arrested for simple possession of marijuana. So that eliminates one of your imaginary problems.

Joe Biden was proud of the 1994 Crime Bill that disproportionately imprisoned far more blacks than whites for virtually the same crime. Joe was V. P. for eight years and did NOTHING to correct his own signature legislation.

It was PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP who corrected that legislation and worked to release thousands of people serving unjust prison sentences. Why didn't Joe and Barack do that when they had the chance?

It is not an imaginary problem and it has not been eliminated.

Four-in-ten U.S. drug arrests in 2018 were for marijuana offenses – mostly possession

Police officers in the United States still make more arrests for marijuana offenses than for any other drug, according to FBI data.

www.pewresearch.org

" A growing number of states have legalized or decriminalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana. But the drug remains illegal in other states and under federal law – and police officers in the United States still make more arrests for marijuana offenses than for any other drug, according to FBI data."

" As has long been the case, around nine-in-ten U.S. marijuana arrests are for possessing the drug, rather than selling or manufacturing it. In 2018, 92% of marijuana arrests were for possession and 8% were for selling or manufacturing. The share of marijuana arrests for possessing the drug has inched higher in recent years: In 2011, 87% of marijuana arrests were for possession and 13% were for selling or manufacturing it."

 

[Markle]

Part of the problem is the overcrowding in our jails. And that relates to the mandatory sentences for nonviolent drug offenses, especially pot. Get rid of those, let the people out, and keep the violent offenders locked up.

As you know well, for many years now Drug Court has intervened with folks arrested for simple possession of marijuana. So that eliminates one of your imaginary problems.

Joe Biden was proud of the 1994 Crime Bill that disproportionately imprisoned far more blacks than whites for virtually the same crime. Joe was V. P. for eight years and did NOTHING to correct his own signature legislation.

It was PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP who corrected that legislation and worked to release thousands of people serving unjust prison sentences. Why didn't Joe and Barack do that when they had the chance?

It is not an imaginary problem and it has not been eliminated.

Four-in-ten U.S. drug arrests in 2018 were for marijuana offenses – mostly possession

Police officers in the United States still make more arrests for marijuana offenses than for any other drug, according to FBI data.

www.pewresearch.org

" A growing number of states have legalized or decriminalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana. But the drug remains illegal in other states and under federal law – and police officers in the United States still make more arrests for marijuana offenses than for any other drug, according to FBI data."

" As has long been the case, around nine-in-ten U.S. marijuana arrests are for possessing the drug, rather than selling or manufacturing it. In 2018, 92% of marijuana arrests were for possession and 8% were for selling or manufacturing. The share of marijuana arrests for possessing the drug has inched higher in recent years: In 2011, 87% of marijuana arrests were for possession and 13% were for selling or manufacturing it."

How many of that 87% of marijuana arrests for simple possession were given lengthy prison sentences?

Thousands of prisoners released as new reform effort takes effect
https://www.cnn.com/profiles/david-shortell
By David Shortell, CNN
Updated 3:08 PM ET, Fri July 19, 2019

Washington (CNN)Nearly 3,100 federal inmates will walk out of prison on Friday as a provision of the sweeping criminal justice reform act passed by Congress takes effect.

The mass release -- the largest since the First Step Act was signed into law after a rare bipartisan push last year -- applies mostly to drug offenders and inmates serving sentences for weapons charges. It was initiated by a recalculation of the number of days inmates accrue each year for good behavior that was applied retroactively under the new law.
[...]
The act was signed into law by President Donald Trump in December after support from lawmakers across the aisle and personal attention from Trump's son-in-law and senior White House adviser Jared Kushner.

Thousands of prisoners released as new reform effort takes effect

Nearly 3,100 federal inmates will walk out of prison on Friday as a provision of the sweeping criminal justice reform act passed by Congress takes effect.

www.cnn.com

 

[WinterBorn]

Part of the problem is the overcrowding in our jails. And that relates to the mandatory sentences for nonviolent drug offenses, especially pot. Get rid of those, let the people out, and keep the violent offenders locked up.

As you know well, for many years now Drug Court has intervened with folks arrested for simple possession of marijuana. So that eliminates one of your imaginary problems.

Joe Biden was proud of the 1994 Crime Bill that disproportionately imprisoned far more blacks than whites for virtually the same crime. Joe was V. P. for eight years and did NOTHING to correct his own signature legislation.

It was PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP who corrected that legislation and worked to release thousands of people serving unjust prison sentences. Why didn't Joe and Barack do that when they had the chance?

It is not an imaginary problem and it has not been eliminated.

Four-in-ten U.S. drug arrests in 2018 were for marijuana offenses – mostly possession

Police officers in the United States still make more arrests for marijuana offenses than for any other drug, according to FBI data.

www.pewresearch.org

" A growing number of states have legalized or decriminalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana. But the drug remains illegal in other states and under federal law – and police officers in the United States still make more arrests for marijuana offenses than for any other drug, according to FBI data."

" As has long been the case, around nine-in-ten U.S. marijuana arrests are for possessing the drug, rather than selling or manufacturing it. In 2018, 92% of marijuana arrests were for possession and 8% were for selling or manufacturing. The share of marijuana arrests for possessing the drug has inched higher in recent years: In 2011, 87% of marijuana arrests were for possession and 13% were for selling or manufacturing it."

How many of that 87% of marijuana arrests for simple possession were given lengthy prison sentences?

At the rate they are being arrested, how long does a sentence have to be to cause overcrowding?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It is not an imaginary problem and it has not been eliminated.

Four-in-ten U.S. drug arrests in 2018 were for marijuana offenses – mostly possession

Police officers in the United States still make more arrests for marijuana offenses than for any other drug, according to FBI data.

www.pewresearch.org

" A growing number of states have legalized or decriminalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana. But the drug remains illegal in other states and under federal law – and police officers in the United States still make more arrests for marijuana offenses than for any other drug, according to FBI data."

" As has long been the case, around nine-in-ten U.S. marijuana arrests are for possessing the drug, rather than selling or manufacturing it. In 2018, 92% of marijuana arrests were for possession and 8% were for selling or manufacturing. The share of marijuana arrests for possessing the drug has inched higher in recent years: In 2011, 87% of marijuana arrests were for possession and 13% were for selling or manufacturing it."

Most people in prison for pot are not there for pot alone. Pot is a secondary or third crime down the list for higher offenses. It's like getting busted for a DUI and also cited for seatbelt violations.

Marijuana and Who's in Prison

• A survey by the Bureau of Justice Statistics showed that 0.7% of all state inmates were behind bars for marijuana possession only (with many of them pleading down from more serious crimes).i
• In total, one tenth of one percent (0.1 percent) of all state prisoners were marijuana-possession offenders with no prior sentences.ii
• Other independent research has shown that the risk of arrest for each “joint,” or marijuana cigarette, smoked is about 1 arrest for every 12,000 joints.iii
• There are very few people in state or federal prison for marijuana-related crimes. It is useful to look at all drug offenses for context. Among sentenced prisoners under state jurisdiction in 2008, 18% were sentenced for drug offenses.iv
• For federal prisoners, who represent 13% of the total prison population, about half (51%) had a drug offense as the most serious offense in 2009.v
• And federal data shows that the vast majority (99.8%) of federal prisoners sentenced for drug offenses were incarcerated for drug trafficking.vi
• Carnegie Mellon’s Jonathan Caulkins, formerly the co-director of Rand’s drug policy research center, found that more than 85% of people in prison for all drug-law violations were clearly involved in drug distribution, and that the records of most of the remaining prisoners had at least some suggestion of distribution involvement. Only about half a percent of the total prison population was there for marijuana possession, he found. He noted that this figure was consistent with other mainstream estimates but not with estimates from the Marijuana Policy Project (a legalization interest group), which, according to Caulkins, “naively … assumes that all inmates convicted of possession were not involved in trafficking.” Caulkins concluded “an implication of the new figure is that marijuana decriminalization would have almost no impact on prison populations.”

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[2aguy]

Crime, Shootings & Mass Shootings are all way UP under Trump. Clinton Lowered Crime More than any president in History!

Joe biden voters are shooting people in democrat party controlled cities as democrat party mayors defund and pull back the police.....joe biden voters shoot lots of people.....

Mass shootings are not way up.....criminals shooting other criminals in democrat party cities are way up...

 

[BrokeLoser]

100,000 people are shot in the USA every year!

How many were shot by a good guy with a gun saving lives?

The only good guys / hero's are the the people saving more & more lives of gunshot victims thereby reducing the murder rate. Gee I wonder why medical cost keep rising?

Translation-
“Please Father Government, pleeeeease protect us Democrats from our filthy selves, please deprive us of our constitutional rights.”

Yes, filthy Democrats should not own guns, they are savages with no moral compass. Look at Baltimore, St Louis, Chicago, New York..Guns are for sensible, moral, rational minds.
How can we keep guns out of the hands of Democrats?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Translation-
“Please Father Government, pleeeeease protect us Democrats from our filthy selves, please deprive us of our constitutional rights.”

Yes, filthy Democrats should not own guns, they are savages with no moral compass. Look at Baltimore, St Louis, Chicago, New York..Guns are for sensible, moral, rational minds.
How can we keep guns out of the hands of Democrats?

What they don't understand is they are the reason we need guns. The only possible way to get rid of guns is to get rid of Democrats first. Since that isn't possible Lord knows we've tried we need to have guns in our country.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Translation-
“Please Father Government, pleeeeease protect us Democrats from our filthy selves, please deprive us of our constitutional rights.”

Yes, filthy Democrats should not own guns, they are savages with no moral compass. Look at Baltimore, St Louis, Chicago, New York..Guns are for sensible, moral, rational minds.
How can we keep guns out of the hands of Democrats?

What they don't understand is they are the reason we need guns. The only possible way to get rid of guns is to get rid of Democrats first. Since that isn't possible Lord knows we've tried we need to have guns in our country.

I guess, using your own mental hemmoraging, if the Right has guns, the Left needs guns to protect itself from the Right because they have guns.

 

[KissMy]

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I guess, using your own mental hemmoraging, if the Right has guns, the Left needs guns to protect itself from the Right because they have guns.

No, because the right are mostly law abiding citizens. Look at who's doing the rioting, attacking our police officers, even attacking people who simply have a MAGA hat on.

If I go to my convenience store after dark, I don't take my gun with me because I'm afraid of a Republican robbing the place, hitting me over my head with his gun and taking my wallet. Republicans don't do those kinds of things--Democrats do.

If I go to make an ATM deposit after dark. I'm not worried about a conservative wedging himself between the machine and my car, pointing a gun to my head and forcing me to withdraw the maximum amount. That's silly. Conservatives don't do those kinds of things--liberals do.

So we on the right need our guns because Democrats are violent people. We need to have protection to stop them.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

many were shot by a good guy with a gun saving lives?

If you ACTUALLY CARED you would boil down who did the shooting and where they did it. Then use that information to try to find solutions.

I'll give you a head start with a few facts:

1. Blacks are the majority shooters & victims.
2. Inner cities are the predominant locations.
3. Gangs & drugs are the main driving factors.
4. Most of these areas are governed almost exclusively by Democrats.
5. Most of these areas also have strict gun control laws.
6. Criminals don't care about gun control laws.

Now that you have a few basic facts what are you gonna do?

 

[2aguy]

View attachment 406418

Not according to Mother Jones.....only one mass public shooting in 2020.....

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

The full data set from our in-depth investigation into mass shootings.

www.motherjones.com

 

[2aguy]

View attachment 406418

Number of killed in mass public shootings in 2019.....73

Total number killed in gun murder incidents in 2019....10,258

So no, mass public shootings are nowhere near as deadly as criminals murdering other criminals each year.........70-80% of gun murder victims are criminals murdered by other criminals, and the majority of the other victims of gun murder, are the friends and family of criminals caught up in the crossfire of gang shootings.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

ucr.fbi.gov

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.....from rape, robbery and murder....lives saved, lives not destroyed.....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

What Do CDC's Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses? by Gary Kleck :: SSRN



Abstract
In 1996, 1997, and 1998, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) conducted large-scale surveys asking about defensive gun use (DGU) in four to seven states. Analysis of the raw data allows the estimation of the prevalence of DGU for those areas. Data pertaining to the same sets of states from the 1993 National Self-Defense Survey (Kleck and Gertz 1995) allow these results to be extrapolated to the U.S. as a whole. CDC’s survey data confirm previous high estimates of DGU prevalence, disconfirm estimates derived from the National Crime Victimization Survey, and indicate that defensive uses of guns by crime victims are far more common than offensive uses by criminals. CDC has never reported these results.

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CDC, in Surveys It Never Bothered Making Public, Provides More Evidence That Plenty of Americans Innocently Defend Themselves with Guns



Kleck's new paper—"What Do CDC's Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?"—finds that the agency had asked about DGUs in its Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System in 1996, 1997, and 1998.

Those polls, Kleck writes,

are high-quality telephone surveys of enormous probability samples of U.S. adults, asking about a wide range of health-related topics. Those that addressed DGU asked more people about this topic than any other surveys conducted before or since. For example, the 1996 survey asked the DGU question of 5,484 people. The next-largest number questioned about DGU was 4,977 by Kleck and Gertz (1995), and sample sizes were much smaller in all the rest of surveys on the topic (Kleck 2001).

Kleck was impressed with how well the survey worded its question: "During the last 12 months, have you confronted another person with a firearm, even if you did not fire it, to protect yourself, your property, or someone else?" Respondents were told to leave out incidents from occupations, like policing, where using firearms is part of the job. Kleck is impressed with how the question excludes animals but includes DGUs outside the home as well as within it.

Kleck is less impressed with the fact that the question was only asked of people who admitted to owning guns in their home earlier in the survey, and that they asked no follow-up questions regarding the specific nature of the DGU incident.

From Kleck's own surveys, he found that only 79 percent of those who reported a DGU "had also reported a gun in their household at the time of the interview," so he thinks whatever numbers the CDC found need to be revised upward to account for that. (Kleck speculates that CDC showed a sudden interest in the question of DGUs starting in 1996 because Kleck's own famous/notorious survey had been published in 1995.)

At any rate, Kleck downloaded the datasets for those three years and found that the "weighted percent who reported a DGU...was 1.3% in 1996, 0.9% in 1997, 1.0% in 1998, and 1.07% in all three surveys combined."





Kleck figures if you do the adjustment upward he thinks necessary for those who had DGU incidents without personally owning a gun in the home at the time of the survey, and then the adjustment downward he thinks necessary because CDC didn't do detailed follow-ups to confirm the nature of the incident, you get 1.24 percent, a close match to his own 1.326 percent figure.

He concludes that the small difference between his estimate and the CDC's "can be attributed to declining rates of violent crime, which accounts for most DGUs. With fewer occasions for self-defense in the form of violent victimizations, one would expect fewer DGUs."

Kleck further details how much these CDC surveys confirmed his own controversial work:

The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense.

This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995)....CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals.

 

[2aguy]

Crime, Shootings & Mass Shootings are all way UP under Trump. Clinton Lowered Crime More than any president in History!

Mass Shootings are all way UP under Trump.

Wrong...... total number of mass public shootings in 2019 were 10, 2018, 12............in a country of over 320 million people ...........

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Creepy Joe's anti-gun agenda includes removing the liability protection gun manufacturers and distributors currently have. That would in effect put them all out of business. He also wants to make it illegal to buy guns or gun parts off the internet. If successful, there would be no place for law abiding citizens to purchase firearms. You wouldn't be able to buy them in our country, and you wouldn't be able to buy them outside of our country. When your gun has a problem, you wouldn't be able to get it repaired anywhere.

But the Democrats really don't want to disarm America......nahhhh.