Will Artificial Intelligence supercomputers compete with EVs for electricity?

[healthmyths]

Americans drive their personal vehicles about 2.3 trillion miles a year with 98 percent of our vehicles running on petroleum or diesel fuels.

https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/transportation-fuels#:~:text=Petroleum%20is%20the%20Main%20Source%20of%20Energy%20for%20Transportation&text=Americans%20drive%20their%20personal%20vehicles,on%20petroleum%20or%20diesel%20fuels.

Thomas Edison was seriously impressed by Henry Ford's gasoline-powered Quadricycle of 1894. "Young man, that's the thing," he supposedly told Ford. "Electric cars must be kept near to power stations. The storage battery is too heavy. Steam cars won't do, either, for they have to have a boiler and a fire. Your car is self-contained—carries its own power plant—no fire, no boiler, no smoke, and no steam. You have the thing. Keep at it."

https://www.motortrend.com/features/electric-vs-gasoline-cars-history-repeats/

By combining this data, de Vries calculates that by 2027 the AI sector could consume between 85 to 134 terawatt hours each year.

How much electricity does AI consume?

How many watts and joules does it actually take to generate a single Balenciaga pope?

www.theverge.com

134 terawatt hours equal to 134,000,000,000 kWh OR 2.84% of the 4,178,000,000,000 Total kWh total generated in 2023, of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States.

Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

The major fuel/energy sources and their contribution to annual U.S. electricity generation.

www.eia.gov

Add AI computer energy requirements to Biden's dictate that 50% of all car sales by 2032 be EVs this means by 2032, an additional need for electricity for EVs is 1,325,318,313,600 kWh.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/08/05/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-steps-to-drive-american-leadership-forward-on-clean-cars-and-vehicles/

Biden guarantees to rid "fossil fuels"...
"I guarantee We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels” September 06, 2019, 5:49 PM


Current kWh generated, electric plants: 4,178,000,000,000 kWh

Replacing 79% of fossil fuel generates: 3,300,620,000,000 kWh
Additional kWh for EVs by 2032: 1,325,318,313,600 kWh
Additional kWh for AI computers: 134,000,000,000 kWh
Total additional kWh replacing, EV 4,759,938,313,600 kWh

Total kWh needed to replace fossil fuels, add kWh for EVs and AI 4,759,938,313,600 kWh 595 additional nuclear plants to be built.
At cost of $7,500,000,000 to build 1 nuclear power plant: https://www.synapse-energy.com/site....Nuclear-Plant-Construction-Costs.A0022_0.pdf

• 595 power plants X $7.5 Billion or : $ 4,462,442,169,000
• 8,693,951,258 solar panels ,land, installation: $10,433,221,543,379
• 470,536 wind turbines, land installation: $ 1,529,628,950,999

Where will that money come from?
Directly and indirectly from us the consumers!

 

[my2¢]

Regarding computers, the issue here locally in the desert hasn't been electricity but rather the mass consumption of water by computer data centers. We've had a number of these centers pop up in the area.

COMPUTING GEAR GETS REALLY HOT

when I heard Google was planning a massive data center in Mesa, just east of Phoenix. The deal guaranteed Google 1 million gallons of water a day to cool the facility, and up to 4 million gallons a day if it hit project milestones. (That's a lot of water. Arizona residents each use about 146 gallons a day)

Google, Microsoft, and Meta are working to find more sustainable ways to cool their data centers. They are also spending real money and effort on water conservation projects. But there's only so much you can do to fight the reality of blisteringly hot, dry Arizona days.

 

[healthmyths]

Regarding computers, the issue here locally in the desert hasn't been electricity but rather the mass consumption of water by computer data centers. We've had a number of these centers pop up in the area.

COMPUTING GEAR GETS REALLY HOT

when I heard Google was planning a massive data center in Mesa, just east of Phoenix. The deal guaranteed Google 1 million gallons of water a day to cool the facility, and up to 4 million gallons a day if it hit project milestones. (That's a lot of water. Arizona residents each use about 146 gallons a day)

Google, Microsoft, and Meta are working to find more sustainable ways to cool their data centers. They are also spending real money and effort on water conservation projects. But there's only so much you can do to fight the reality of blisteringly hot, dry Arizona days.

I agree with you regarding cooling, plus noise!

Cryptocurrency is making lots of noise, literally​

Seven years ago, Gladys Anderson bought her dream home in Bono, Arkansas. "We moved out here to get away from the busyness of town, the noise," she said. "Just peace and quiet, country living."

But last May, the quiet ended, when the noise began. "It was like torture, like a form of military-grade torture," she said.

It's the sound of 17,000 computer fans in a bitcoin facility next door.

Neighbor Shane Markuson takes frequent decibel readings. "Eighty-two was the highest number," he said. [Note, a hair dryer is 90 decibels.]

"It's caused problems for me with my hearing, my blood pressure, with the sweetheart where she gets migraine headaches," Markuson said.

Cryptocurrency is making lots of noise, literally

The peace and quiet of rural Bono, Arkansas, has been shattered by a loud and incessant mechanical buzzing sound created by a bitcoin mine. Residents are HODL.

www.cbsnews.com

Which makes me add cryptocurrency computers electric power requirements in my next upgrade!

 

[Oddball]

Will Artificial Intelligence supercomputers compete with EVs for electricity?​

You kidding?...The AI supercomputers will compete with essential services all over the entire region of the state for electricity.

Forget EVs, the hoi polloy probably won't be able to heat and cool their homes.

 

[Dragonlady]

Americans drive their personal vehicles about 2.3 trillion miles a year with 98 percent of our vehicles running on petroleum or diesel fuels.

https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/transportation-fuels#:~:text=Petroleum%20is%20the%20Main%20Source%20of%20Energy%20for%20Transportation&text=Americans%20drive%20their%20personal%20vehicles,on%20petroleum%20or%20diesel%20fuels.

Thomas Edison was seriously impressed by Henry Ford's gasoline-powered Quadricycle of 1894. "Young man, that's the thing," he supposedly told Ford. "Electric cars must be kept near to power stations. The storage battery is too heavy. Steam cars won't do, either, for they have to have a boiler and a fire. Your car is self-contained—carries its own power plant—no fire, no boiler, no smoke, and no steam. You have the thing. Keep at it."

https://www.motortrend.com/features/electric-vs-gasoline-cars-history-repeats/

By combining this data, de Vries calculates that by 2027 the AI sector could consume between 85 to 134 terawatt hours each year.

How much electricity does AI consume?

How many watts and joules does it actually take to generate a single Balenciaga pope?

www.theverge.com

134 terawatt hours equal to 134,000,000,000 kWh OR 2.84% of the 4,178,000,000,000 Total kWh total generated in 2023, of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States.

Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

The major fuel/energy sources and their contribution to annual U.S. electricity generation.

www.eia.gov

Add AI computer energy requirements to Biden's dictate that 50% of all car sales by 2032 be EVs this means by 2032, an additional need for electricity for EVs is 1,325,318,313,600 kWh.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/08/05/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-steps-to-drive-american-leadership-forward-on-clean-cars-and-vehicles/

Biden guarantees to rid "fossil fuels"...
"I guarantee We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels” September 06, 2019, 5:49 PM


Current kWh generated, electric plants: 4,178,000,000,000 kWh

Replacing 79% of fossil fuel generates: 3,300,620,000,000 kWh
Additional kWh for EVs by 2032: 1,325,318,313,600 kWh
Additional kWh for AI computers: 134,000,000,000 kWh
Total additional kWh replacing, EV 4,759,938,313,600 kWh

Total kWh needed to replace fossil fuels, add kWh for EVs and AI 4,759,938,313,600 kWh 595 additional nuclear plants to be built.
At cost of $7,500,000,000 to build 1 nuclear power plant: https://www.synapse-energy.com/site....Nuclear-Plant-Construction-Costs.A0022_0.pdf

• 595 power plants X $7.5 Billion or : $ 4,462,442,169,000
• 8,693,951,258 solar panels ,land, installation: $10,433,221,543,379
• 470,536 wind turbines, land installation: $ 1,529,628,950,999

Where will that money come from?
Directly and indirectly from us the consumers!

Will healthymyths continue to post doomsday scenarios and conspiracy theories about green energy destroying the world?

Probably.

 

[Lemmi]

When AI takes over it will be smart enough to plan for its own energy needs. Even if it involves bringing back coal fired power plants.

 

[Oddball]

When AI takes over it will be smart enough to plan for its own energy needs. Even if it involves bringing back coal fired power plants.

Unfortunately for the electricity-sucking heap of silicon, someone is going to have to provide the muscle to build them.

 

[healthmyths]

Will healthymyths continue to post doomsday scenarios and conspiracy theories about green energy destroying the world?

Probably.

I'm not posting doomsday scenarios, but the facts!

While many parts of the economy are moving away from fossil fuels toward electrification — think household appliances such as stoves, and space heating for homes and offices —
the transportation sector is driving the increase.
Light-duty vehicles, a segment that excludes large trucks and aviation, are projected to use up to 3,360% more electricity by 2035 than they do today, according to Princeton’s data.

Why the electric vehicle boom could put a major strain on the U.S. power grid

The EV revolution could put a big strain on the nation's electric grid, an aging system built for a world that runs on fossil fuels.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Lemmi]

Unfortunately for the electricity-sucking heap of silicon, someone is going to have to provide the muscle to build them.

AI will be cutting the paychecks for all the manual laborers worldwide. There will no such thing as a labor shortage.

 

[Oddball]

I'm not posting doomsday scenarios, but the facts!

While many parts of the economy are moving away from fossil fuels toward electrification — think household appliances such as stoves, and space heating for homes and offices —
the transportation sector is driving the increase.
Light-duty vehicles, a segment that excludes large trucks and aviation, are projected to use up to 3,360% more electricity by 2035 than they do today, according to Princeton’s data.

Why the electric vehicle boom could put a major strain on the U.S. power grid

The EV revolution could put a big strain on the nation's electric grid, an aging system built for a world that runs on fossil fuels.

www.cnbc.com

That would require the ability to do 4th grade math....Clearly above the skill sets of enviro-moonbats.

 

[healthmyths]

Will healthymyths continue to post doomsday scenarios and conspiracy theories about green energy destroying the world?

Probably.

personal vehicles about 2.3 trillion miles a year with 98 percent of our vehicles running on petroleum or diesel fuels.
https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/...ersonal vehicles,on petroleum or diesel fuels.
Assume all 98% are EVs. Meaning average EV uses 0.32 kWh to travel 1 mile.
https://evbox.com/en/ev-home-charger-electricity-usage#:~:text=Given%20an%20EV's%20average%20energy,commute%20of%20Americans%20and%20Europeans.
Total amount of kWh if all 98% travel 2,300,000,000,000 at 0.32kWh/mile or 73,600,000,000 kWh.
Total amount of kWh if all the semi-trucks that average 2 kWh per mile of energy consumption traveling

https://www.tesla.com/semi#:~:text=With%20less%20than%202%20kWh,miles%20on%20a%20single%20charge

2.97 million are tractor-trailers

Trucking Industry Trends, Statistics, & Forecast – 2023 Edition

See our team's research on the trucking industry. We cover statistics on vehicles, drivers, companies, the market size, truck accidents, fuel consumption, and more

www.truckinfo.net

the average mileage of 45,000 miles per year

https://www.rechtien.com/service/service-parts-tips/semi-truck-life/#:~:text=A%20semi%20truck%2C%20on%20the,years%20for%20your%20trusted%20truck.

The math: 2,970,000 semi-trucks traveling (45,000 miles/year/truck) equals 267,300,000,000 kWh.
73,600,000,000 kWh for cars
267,300,000,000 kWh semi-trucks
6,684,266,252,320 kWh straight trucks
7,025,166,252,320 kWh total for cars, semis, straight trucks.

278,870,463 personal and commercial vehicles were registered to drivers in the U.S. in 2022

Car Ownership Statistics 2024

Americans place a high value on car ownership, a fact made evident by the latest car ownership statistics in the U.S. Between 2017 and 2021, personal and commercial vehicle registrations increased by 3.66%, indicating an upward trend in car ownership.[1] Most U.S. households (91.7%) had at least one

www.forbes.com

45,000 miles for straight truck.https://www.google.com/search?

What is the Average Lifespan of a Long Haul Truck?

Semi trucks are built to be tough. They can withstand heavy cargo, long trips, and all kinds of weather. But how long do they really last? Read on to learn more about the average lifespan of a long haul truck.

www.tristatetruck.com

278,870,463 straight trucks averaging 45,000 miles/year an EV truck uses 1.88 kWh/mile or total per year of
6,684,266,252,320 kWh

 

[Oddball]

personal vehicles about 2.3 trillion miles a year with 98 percent of our vehicles running on petroleum or diesel fuels.
https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/transportation-fuels#:~:text=Petroleum is the Main Source of Energy for Transportation&text=Americans drive their personal vehicles,on petroleum or diesel fuels.
Assume all 98% are EVs. Meaning average EV uses 0.32 kWh to travel 1 mile.
https://evbox.com/en/ev-home-charger-electricity-usage#:~:text=Given%20an%20EV's%20average%20energy,commute%20of%20Americans%20and%20Europeans.
Total amount of kWh if all 98% travel 2,300,000,000,000 at 0.32kWh/mile or 73,600,000,000 kWh.
Total amount of kWh if all the semi-trucks that average 2 kWh per mile of energy consumption traveling

https://www.tesla.com/semi#:~:text=With%20less%20than%202%20kWh,miles%20on%20a%20single%20charge

2.97 million are tractor-trailers

Trucking Industry Trends, Statistics, & Forecast – 2023 Edition

See our team's research on the trucking industry. We cover statistics on vehicles, drivers, companies, the market size, truck accidents, fuel consumption, and more

www.truckinfo.net

the average mileage of 45,000 miles per year

https://www.rechtien.com/service/service-parts-tips/semi-truck-life/#:~:text=A%20semi%20truck%2C%20on%20the,years%20for%20your%20trusted%20truck.

The math: 2,970,000 semi-trucks traveling (45,000 miles/year/truck) equals 267,300,000,000 kWh.
73,600,000,000 kWh for cars
267,300,000,000 kWh semi-trucks
6,684,266,252,320 kWh straight trucks
7,025,166,252,320 kWh total for cars, semis, straight trucks.

278,870,463 personal and commercial vehicles were registered to drivers in the U.S. in 2022

Car Ownership Statistics 2024

Americans place a high value on car ownership, a fact made evident by the latest car ownership statistics in the U.S. Between 2017 and 2021, personal and commercial vehicle registrations increased by 3.66%, indicating an upward trend in car ownership.[1] Most U.S. households (91.7%) had at least one

www.forbes.com

45,000 miles for straight truck.https://www.google.com/search?

What is the Average Lifespan of a Long Haul Truck?

Semi trucks are built to be tough. They can withstand heavy cargo, long trips, and all kinds of weather. But how long do they really last? Read on to learn more about the average lifespan of a long haul truck.

www.tristatetruck.com

278,870,463 straight trucks averaging 45,000 miles/year an EV truck uses 1.88 kWh/mile or total per year of
6,684,266,252,320 kWh

 

[healthmyths]

Not quite sure what your response was trying to support, but the vast majority of truly uninformed people who support Biden's truly UNINFORMED positions, i.e.
"I guarantee We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels” September 06, 2019, 5:49 PM

AND in doing so will require replacing about 60% of electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum or over 3,400 fossil fuel-fired power plants in the United States.
Power Plants and Neighboring Communities | US EPA.
Biden the uninformed and ignorant president wants to destroy "fossil fuels".
I think... not believe that the CO2 emissions pushing the world temperature over 1.5° issue needs closer scrutiny.
The biased MSM is BLAMING everything on climate change.
So first let's consider that issue:
Long before the Pliocene, CO2 levels were extremely elevated during the age of the dinosaurs (which ended 65 million years ago), perhaps at some 2,000 to 4,000 ppm.

What Earth was like last time CO2 levels were so crazily high

"We’re on our way to the Pliocene."

mashable.com

Today's CO2 level: 423.84 ppm

Daily CO2

Continual updates of daily CO2 levels recorded at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii. The page features NOAA MLO data and charts with charts and links for Scripps MLO data.

www.co2.earth

Then let's consider what some people consider a resolution so we don't have to "rid fossil fuels"... i.e.pulverized coal (PC) plants. Again links supporting facts So You Want to Build a Power Plant

 

[healthmyths]

In California, homeowners and small businesses seeking to install solar panels are running up against new metering rules that cut by roughly three-quarters the amount of money they can get for selling electricity back into the grid.
Governments lined up a slew of climate measures years ago when interest rates were low and energy supplies seemed abundant. Now those changes are coming into force, and governments are facing a new calculus.
The energy transition is falling “on the shoulders of the low- and mid-income-level people in a disproportionate way,” said Fatih Birol, chief of the Paris-based International Energy Agency, which is tasked with keeping governments on track to meet their climate targets. “The worst thing for the energy transition is that it is perceived as being done by and for the elites.”
Electric rates under California utility PG&E have increased 127% in the past decade along with surging costs for wildfire prevention and grid upgrades. Nearly a quarter of the utility’s customers are now delinquent on their bill.

https://archive.is/llanY#selection-6051.0-6051.288

 

[Rogue AI]

I'm not posting doomsday scenarios, but the facts!

While many parts of the economy are moving away from fossil fuels toward electrification — think household appliances such as stoves, and space heating for homes and offices —
the transportation sector is driving the increase.
Light-duty vehicles, a segment that excludes large trucks and aviation, are projected to use up to 3,360% more electricity by 2035 than they do today, according to Princeton’s data.

Why the electric vehicle boom could put a major strain on the U.S. power grid

The EV revolution could put a big strain on the nation's electric grid, an aging system built for a world that runs on fossil fuels.

www.cnbc.com

Facts are doomsday scenarios to liberals who live in fantasy land and base their opinions on feelings.

 

[justoffal]

Americans drive their personal vehicles about 2.3 trillion miles a year with 98 percent of our vehicles running on petroleum or diesel fuels.

https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/transportation-fuels#:~:text=Petroleum%20is%20the%20Main%20Source%20of%20Energy%20for%20Transportation&text=Americans%20drive%20their%20personal%20vehicles,on%20petroleum%20or%20diesel%20fuels.

Thomas Edison was seriously impressed by Henry Ford's gasoline-powered Quadricycle of 1894. "Young man, that's the thing," he supposedly told Ford. "Electric cars must be kept near to power stations. The storage battery is too heavy. Steam cars won't do, either, for they have to have a boiler and a fire. Your car is self-contained—carries its own power plant—no fire, no boiler, no smoke, and no steam. You have the thing. Keep at it."

https://www.motortrend.com/features/electric-vs-gasoline-cars-history-repeats/

By combining this data, de Vries calculates that by 2027 the AI sector could consume between 85 to 134 terawatt hours each year.

How much electricity does AI consume?

How many watts and joules does it actually take to generate a single Balenciaga pope?

www.theverge.com

134 terawatt hours equal to 134,000,000,000 kWh OR 2.84% of the 4,178,000,000,000 Total kWh total generated in 2023, of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States.

Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

The major fuel/energy sources and their contribution to annual U.S. electricity generation.

www.eia.gov

Add AI computer energy requirements to Biden's dictate that 50% of all car sales by 2032 be EVs this means by 2032, an additional need for electricity for EVs is 1,325,318,313,600 kWh.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/08/05/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-steps-to-drive-american-leadership-forward-on-clean-cars-and-vehicles/

Biden guarantees to rid "fossil fuels"...
"I guarantee We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels” September 06, 2019, 5:49 PM


Current kWh generated, electric plants: 4,178,000,000,000 kWh

Replacing 79% of fossil fuel generates: 3,300,620,000,000 kWh
Additional kWh for EVs by 2032: 1,325,318,313,600 kWh
Additional kWh for AI computers: 134,000,000,000 kWh
Total additional kWh replacing, EV 4,759,938,313,600 kWh

Total kWh needed to replace fossil fuels, add kWh for EVs and AI 4,759,938,313,600 kWh 595 additional nuclear plants to be built.
At cost of $7,500,000,000 to build 1 nuclear power plant: https://www.synapse-energy.com/site....Nuclear-Plant-Construction-Costs.A0022_0.pdf

• 595 power plants X $7.5 Billion or : $ 4,462,442,169,000
• 8,693,951,258 solar panels ,land, installation: $10,433,221,543,379
• 470,536 wind turbines, land installation: $ 1,529,628,950,999

Where will that money come from?
Directly and indirectly from us the consumers!

Bitcoin mining already does.