Debate Now What does MAGA mean ? Specifically ?

[lafayette]

MAGA = 1950s again

Won't happen.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

What does MAGA mean Specifically 240414 {post•70}. I. Kruska Apr’24 Vwdmms: MAGA essentially stands for TWO main issues/priorities krvskv 240414 Vwdmms00070 to post 1 para I.

II.a. Kruska Apr’24 Vwdmms: 1.) Revert {Reverse} extreme lefty/lib policies, starting from the 70'ies till today krvskv 240414 Vwdmms00070. to post 1 para I.

What does MAGA mean Specifically 240503 {post•462}. USMB Rational Voter KRUSKA has provided an excellent response to Saint Hikerguys’. OP Questions.

USMB Rational Voter KRUSKA is on the right track but I think we are need to know what is rationally to be considered “extreme” policies that were advanced out of the seventies by the left.. Roe v Wade in my opinion was not extreme at all.

RvW was opposed in our secular nation at first only by a small fraction of Catholics when Roe became law. Protestant leaders approved of Roe but by the time of Reagan forcing full term gestation on pregnant by the government became the most critical life or death, good vs evil political wedge to the religious right for the benefit of very wealthy conservatives who need voters in the Republican party to admire them and respect them opposition to their own needs.

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[NotfooledbyW]

Embryos and Personhood {240503 {post•749}. RobertW May’24 Seapyz: This is not the end game of Democrats. Filicide comes next. Euthanasia as in Oregon arrives in force. The end game is to extinguish human life. •¥•. We who support life reject this as the option. •¥¥• rbrtw 240503 Seapyz00749


Having lost “forcing full term gestation on pregnant women” as a beneficial wedge issue for fifty years, MAGA/Republicans are now claiming the party of life opposes Democrats who are now killing their own children because they want to extinguish human life.

So in terms of this thread, it means making America great again is eliminating the ability of Democrats to kill their own adolescent children. MAGA is something else. WHAT WOULD CHILDREN DO WITHOUT THEM?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

As I said above, the myths and legends should be placed on their places. My personal concept of God excludes any human features - such as anger, love, need in 'allies', personal communication - from 'Him'. 'He' doesn't need anyone and doesn't want any things being done for 'Him'.

More interesting is what He has done for us.

God loves his children.

If we worship One God.. 231201
{post•126 to 122}. Meriweather Dec’126: What non-believers don't take into consideration is people do have experiences of God. It has always been a part of human existence. Another part of human existence has been those who have held no belief. Our stories are entirely different. mrwthr 231201 Siwwog00126


What does MAGA mean Specifically 240504 {post•464}

That which Saint Meriweather describes as the differences of our stories has come down to choosing sides in the spiritual warfare between the God of Abraham and Satan, This cosmic battle has devolved
into a seemingly insufferably chaotic divide between two groups of what Saint Hikerguy calls God’s Children, One group being evil and lost known as liberals. The other being saved and good known as conservatives
synonymous with real MAGA Americans.

There must be a rationally moral way for rational earthbound human beings to remove our participation in the supernatural battles between one specific God of all Creation and Light versus some of his fallen Angels of Darkness, shouldn’t there be?

Reference; Seapyz00749 divisive MAGA

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[NotfooledbyW]

If we worship One God.. 231201 {post•126 to 122}. Meriweather Dec’126: What non-believers don't take into consideration is people do have experiences of God. It has always been a part of human existence. Another part of human existence has been those who have held no belief. Our stories are entirely different. mrwthr 231201 Siwwog00126

If we worship One God.. 231202 {post•134 to 126}.ESay Dec’23 said to Siwwog00126 From my perception, the vast majority of 'non-believers' is actually agnostics. They believe in the Higher Force, but refuse to accept some dogmas, rituals, hierarchy and other things the religions have to offer. Because some of these things really look silly and meaningless now. •¥• Do the agnostics have the faith? I think they do. Their moral values are virtually the same as those of 'believers'. And the ways should be found to unite various people based on moral values rather than dogmas and outward signs.•¥¥•. esvy 241201 Viwwog00134


What does MAGA mean Specifically 240504 {post•465}

How can we retire the “backward religious ideal” of MAGA and come up with a united American ideal along these lines?

ESay Dec’23 said And the ways should be found to unite various people based on moral values rather than dogmas and outward signs.Viwwog00134​

George Washington started the new nation with that very simple concept.

What the hell happened?

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[NotfooledbyW]

I'm a white Judaeo-Christian

Every day I have to remind myself that I'm one of the "good guys" 230514 {post•1}. II. JGalt May’23 Sediht: I'm a white Judaeo-Christian straight American male, a Republican, a property-owner, a law-abiding taxpayer, a gun-owner, and have carried a concealed weapon every day for the last 12 years. gvlt 230514 Sediht00001


What does MAGA mean Specifically 240504 {post•466}

Joe Biden is Judaeo-Christian.

Mike Pence is a Judeo-Christian who stopped Trump from stealing the 2020 election from Judeo-Christian Joe Biden and the millions of black Judeo-Christians who voted for Judeo-Christian Joe Biden.

Judeo-Christian Mike Pence sends a message to Judeo-Christian JGalt - Here it is:

Judeo-Christians don’t let white Judeo-Christians disenfranchise black Judeo-Christians of their right to have their black Judeo-Christian votes counted.

Thank you for what you did Judeo-Christian Mike Pence for all the Judeo-Christians who voted Democrat in 2020.

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[NotfooledbyW]

The DC status quo decided to use the massive viewing audiences of the NFL to foment racial tribalism among the population and suggest that Donald Trump was a fascist leader of white supremacy.

The refereeing is a reflection of the diversity-Equity-and-Inclusion contamination of government over sports. It is using large crowds and television to influence public opinion while the game suffers from rank incompetence.

Let me know what you think.

I think Saint Raynine there is telling you Saint Hikerguy that America was great but slipping away from white real people as Trump rode down the escalator promising to use his pulled bootstrap billions to fix the unfairness of living through eight years under the conservative hating pro~minority tribalistic presidency of Obama.

MAGA was perhaps not a full fledged cult of personality until RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA and then Then the CHINA VIRUS hit TRUMP so MAGA went full cult:deep state CT mode that started eating Ashley Babbitt’s brain.

Here Saint Raynine provides one of the best definitions of MAGA ever written;


Strange times 240423 {post•1}
dvtii keyword “strange”

I. Raynine Apr’24 Sstxyz: These are strange times we live in. rynn 240423 Sstxyz00091


II. Raynine Apr’24 Sstxyz: “We just came out of a situation of where a global virus appears to have been created for the sole purpose of taking out a leader in a major country founded on the principle that the individual, not corporate groupism, is of the utmost importance for the survival of human societies. rynn 240423 Sstxyz00091


III. Raynine Apr’24 Sstxyz: This battle has been raging since the first bite of the apple. Empires rise and fall on this and history is replete with examples of dirty corporatism vs. the human individual long before Diversity, Equity , and Inclusion stepped into the spotlight with the same old shtick of "corporations are people". rynn 240423 Sstxyz00091


IV. Raynine Apr’24 Sstxyz: We know that in 2016 a person was elected to the presidency of the most powerful country in modern times. That person challenged the notion that corrupt government elitism is the natural outcome of human interraction which runs directly counter to the founding principles of the country that leader was elected to lead. That person had to be taken out because he upset the timeline of the conversion of a free country to a controlled totalitarian component of a global hive. This is just weird and if you don't see it as weird maybe you should take another look. rynn 240423 Sstxyz00091


V. Raynine Apr’24 Sstxyz: It doesn't matter if that person never opened a book written by Ayn Rand or never heard of Adam Smith. He found himself the man of the moment in 2016 and he rode a wave of distrust and discontent on the part of the people who lifted him into White House. The people knew something was very wrong and they looked past personality flaws in order to repudiate what they saw as manifestations of everything the country's founders warned them about. rynn 240423 Sstxyz00091


VI. Raynine Apr’24 Sstxyz: A zombie apocalypse of passsive, mask-wearing robots eating lunch on the tarmacs of restaurants with flattened frogs, leg-lifting dogs, stinging insects, dive bombing birds, and air contaminated with auto exhaust is pretty good proof that human intelligence is on trial here. rynn 240423 Sstxyz00091


VII. Raynine Apr’24 Sstxyz: Unfortunately the people who submitted to this absurdity wrongly believe that they are on the plus side of waning human intellect. rynn 240423 Sstxyz00091


VIII. Raynine Apr’24 Sstxyz: Even a cursory reading of recent history reveals the practice of imprisoning troublesome actors who slander the state. It still goes on in third world countries. Do the people of the US think it is normal to give former CIA operatives their own shows on television like Geraldo Rivera? If they do then democracy here is pretty much over. rynn 240423 Sstxyz00091


IX. Raynine Apr’24 Sstxyz: I'm just an old retired white guy. I don't have anything they can take away from me. But what about you? What about your children and your grandchildren? How important is the future of real democracy to you? rynn 240423 Sstxyz00091


X. Raynine Apr’24 Sstxyz: Thanks for reading, Ray. rynn 240423 Sstxyz00091


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[Cellblock2429]

I call MAGA a sales pitch. Just like I call Build-Back-Better a sales pitch.

If MAGA means Make American Great Again, it means we were once great.

Can somewhat tell me when that was, what made us "great" and when you'll know we've gotten back to that point ?

I contend that people (because I've been cornering them on this topic) don't know what they mean when they say MAGA.

Nobody I've talked to can give me specifics.

One person I talked to said:

Well, in 1960, we didn't have the illegal problem we have now. So I asked what the problem is now (in terms of numbers). Didn't have it. How about 1960...didn't have it. I decided to forego the easy follow up question and move on.

So I am going to say, I think America is great now. We have A LOT of issues, for sure. But I still love living here and am grateful for my freedoms and liberties.

I see MAGA as a sales pitch and an implication that we've lost something (but nobody can tell me what). And I am not so sure American was any greater then than it is today.

Let me know what you think.

Rule #1: Provide specifics.

Rule #2: If you want to argue generalities, you have to be very clear on what they are and the basis for them.

Rule #3: No commentary on the "other side"

/---/ You're saying things have never been better as they are now?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Obama is not in charge and we are more respected than we were when Trump was n office. We had more shuttered businsses and food lines for months when Trump was president.

/----/ 100% bullshyt. Gov Cuomo ordered business in NY to shut down, not Trump. Post link to food lines.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Structure Debate Rules violation deleted. White 6

/---/ Stating facts you don't like is a debate violation? WOWZA.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I'll answer the OPS question.

Never. America has never been great. A nation cannot be great when only one small group of people are allowed to do everything while forcing everybody else out. Until we get complete equality for everyone, America will not be great.

/----/ Got any examples. or are you just posting strawman arguments?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Strange times 240423 {post•1}
dvtii keyword “strange”. Doc7505 Apr’24 Stxyz: They already have. It's Joey XiBaiDung. a supposed good Cathokic that is anti-Christ, anti-Semetic, Racist and a perverted pedaphile. dvcnnnn 240423 Sstxyz00019

According to Doc7505 MAGA is pro-Jesus Christ; pro-Judaism; anti-racism and anti-pedophilia so American democratic institutions must be suspected until the vast majority agrees with Saint Doc7505’s vision of Jesus and Republican Jews, all 33 of them, saved his perception that racism is blacks against whites and oh well who’s ever in favor of pedophilia anyway.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

MAGA - a political campaign slogan that really means nothing.
No different than "Hope and Change"
No different than "Build Back Better".

It is just a campaign slogan.

Of course, the opposing party is going to take the most negative spin they possibly can. As did the main stream media with MAGA. Claiming it was a call to go back to racism and misogyny.
Of course it wasn't. But try and convince a media sheep that.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Diversity, equity, and inclusion is bad to MAGA. They want “none of the above”

MAGA wants to go back to such a time when those annoyances to all white Christian people did not exist.

L

 

[HikerGuy83]

/---/ You're saying things have never been better as they are now?

Fair question as this thread has gotten long enough.

And because we actually agree on most things.

My claim is arbitrary. I admit that. My claim is that while things have been better, our country is still great. In many ways.

Could it be better....always.

Have we lost some things....yes.

Have we gained some things.....yes (Gorsuch, Kavenaugh, Bennett).

My primary claim is that MAGA has no specific objectives for making America Greater.

You might say: Close the Borders. I'll say, I agree....now when do we know we've accomplished that. I think we put down some specific (i.e. WE DON'T RELEASE PEOPLE INTO THE COUNTRY WHO ARE SEEKING ASYLUM....what do we do with them....we have options we can discuss.....but zero....and I mean zero....releases).

What about our deficit and debt. MAGA (and the MAGA's on this board won't address it. Trump only ran it up too prior to COVID). Biden is on track for a 2+ trillion deficit this year. How is the RNC not SCREAMING about that ?

And the list goes on.

So.....I hope I answered your question (and said a lot more, I know).

 

[HikerGuy83]

MAGA - a political campaign slogan that really means nothing.
No different than "Hope and Change"
No different than "Build Back Better".

It is just a campaign slogan.

Of course, the opposing party is going to take the most negative spin they possibly can. As did the main stream media with MAGA. Claiming it was a call to go back to racism and misogyny.
Of course it wasn't. But try and convince a media sheep that.

One of the things you'll find is that those who want government, promote government. That's pretty easy.

1. We did this.
2. We did that.
3. We increased this.
4. Yada yada yada.

Those who don't want government have a much more challenging sale. AND WE, INCLUDING TRUMP, ARE FAILING.

We need to nuance the message and do ONE HELL OF A BETTER JOB selling it.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

One of the things you'll find is that those who want government, promote government. That's pretty easy.

1. We did this.
2. We did that.
3. We increased this.
4. Yada yada yada.

Those who don't want government have a much more challenging sale. AND WE, INCLUDING TRUMP, ARE FAILING.

We need to nuance the message and do ONE HELL OF A BETTER JOB selling it.

To GenZ - it is going to be an impossible sale. No way. You are talking about the most coddled/overly protected generation perhaps the whole world has ever seen.
And then Biden pays off their student loans???
Yeah... they are hooked into it big government.

I am afraid America is about to make the same mistake as Greece/Sweden/Japan - move considerable towards socialism, then have a dramatic economic crash... and move back to the right.
It is highly more likely America is about to go farther left than anytime in it's history, and we will not be able to stop it. Gen Z, generally speaking, is way over their head in idealism.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Have we gained some things.....yes (Gorsuch, Kavenaugh, Bennett).

Gain from a white Christian MAGA Male perspective for what

MAGA CULTURE WAR regression from diversity, equity, inclusion, and most importantly since Dobbs, the freedom to terminate an unwanted pregnancy keeping the BIBLICAL reinforced government out of women’s bodies.

 

[MarathonMike]

I would say that America peaked in the 1980s.
Bill Clinton started the downward slide.
Barry Obama divided Americans.
Joe Biden is a total tool for the radical left who hate this country.
When the racist and corrupt Democrats take over a state that state is turned into a dystopian nightmare.
The Democrats are greedy corrupt totalitarians who treat the taxpayers like their slaves.

Democrat control over all forms of media cannot be overstated. Relentless propaganda is a hallmark of every totalitarian regime in modern history. America was not like this before Obama took office in 2009. It is unrecognizable now.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Democrat control over all forms of media cannot be overstated. Relentless propaganda is a hallmark of every totalitarian regime in modern history. America was not like this before Obama took office in 2009. It is unrecognizable now.

Billionaires love you people who are unable to think.