There are lies, more lies, and then there is the data. Keep telling the hurting middleclass and poor, that they arent really hurting.

[Harpy Eagle]

Git 'er done!

Won't happen with the current two party system. Both sides are bought and sold by big business.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Spineless fucks who sway in the wind, which ever way the wind blows. Either you are for the country or you arent, which Joe Biden voters arent.

You are not for the country, you care only about your beloved party, nothing else matters to you and all the other partisan on both sides of the aisle

 

[westwall]

You are not for the country, you care only about your beloved party, nothing else matters to you and all the other partisan on both sides of the aisle

Squeals the simp who votes to fuck this country up, then flees to a different country.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Squeals the simp who votes to fuck this country up, then flees to a different country.

Do tell, how did my vote for these people fuck up the country....

Jorgensen - 2020
Johnson - 2016
Johnson - 2012
Barr - 2008
Badnarik - 2004
Browne - 2000
Perot. - 1996
Clinton- 1992
Bush I -1988
Reagan - 1984

 

[westwall]

Do tell, how did my vote for these people fuck up the country....

Jorgensen - 2020
Johnson - 2016
Johnson - 2012
Barr - 2008
Badnarik - 2004
Browne - 2000
Perot. - 1996
Clinton- 1992
Bush I -1988
Reagan - 1984

"When you choose to not decide, you still have made a choice"

 

[Harpy Eagle]

"When you choose to not decide, you still have made a choice"

Great song, and I did decide. The names are all there. That I am not a slave to one party or the other does not equate to me not deciding.

 

[Andylusion]

Won't happen with the current two party system. Both sides are bought and sold by big business.

And yet the policies under Trump were dramatically different than those under Biden.
How is it that if both sides are bought by business, they have have entirely different ideological and economic policies positions?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And yet the policies under Trump were dramatically different than those under Biden.
How is it that if both sides are bought by business, they have have entirely different ideological and economic policies positions?

No they are not, not on the fiscal side of things they are not.

 

[sealybobo]

Raid some employers, ship the illegals straight home, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Rinse, repeat.
How long before they get the idea?
Of course, you have to secure the border and eject new invaders immediately.
End the asylum fakery.
Show up with documentation for your claim or don't bother applying.

We should always secure the border. Now, knowing even Taliban are sneaking in. It's a shame for decades we didn't have to. Migrants would walk in, pick fruit for us, then walk home. It wasn't until companies started hiring them for other jobs like airport workers, mcd, working year round at mara lago, housekeeping, painters. Before Reagan, employers wouldn't dare hire illegal workers. Reagan signaled to them he wouldn't go after illegal employers. And I've shown you before Clinton raided 400 and Bush's 2nd year he raided 4. Shows you Bush was continuing the attack on expensive American labor. Even non union Americans ask for too much if you ask Corporate America. And you don't pay enough in taxes. They do according to them.

 

[Smokin' OP]

How did a tax cut give middle class money to the rich?

List all the steps.

Trump told friends at Mar-a-Lago 'you all just got a lot richer ...​

The Hill
https://thehill.com › homenews › administration › 3663...
Dec 24, 2017 — President Trump reportedly told friends at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida just hours after he signed the GOP tax bill that they all just ...

Tax cut savings flow to company stockholders, trickle ...​

USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com › story › money › 2018/04/13
Apr 13, 2018 — Stock shareholders are reaping the bigger rewards. Corporations aren't sharing as much of their tax cut windfall with workers as hoped.

 

[Smokin' OP]

US Corporate Profits Soar With Margins at Widest Since 1950​

Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com › news › articles › us-corpo...
Aug 25, 2022 — Across the economy, adjusted pretax corporate profits increased 6.1% in the April-to-June period from the prior quarter -- the fastest pace in a ..

World's 722 biggest companies 'making $1tn in windfall ...​

The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › business › jul › worlds-...
Jul 5, 2023 — 18 food and beverage companies made on average about $14bn a year in windfall profits in 2021 and 2022. · 28 pharmaceutical companies made on ...

Corporate profits hit record high as economy boomed in ...​

The Hill
https://thehill.com › business › 4561631-corporate-hit-r...
Mar 28, 2024 — Adjusted profits after taxes hit a record high of $2.8 trillion, beating the record of $2.7 trillion in the third quarter of 2022. Profits ...

GOP Works to Preserve Tax Cut That Has Delivered $67 ...​

Common Dreams
https://www.commondreams.org › News › tax cuts
Jul 3, 2023 — Congressional Republicans are working to extend tax breaks that have allowed dozens of major U.S. corporations—including Amazon, Google, ...

 

[Andylusion]

No they are not, not on the fiscal side of things they are not.

What evidence do you have that this is due to them being bought by big business, rather than because this is what the public wants?

I'm all for people in office cutting spending dramatically. Do you see that most Americans support dramatic cuts in spending?

 

[Andylusion]

US Corporate Profits Soar With Margins at Widest Since 1950​

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https://www.bloomberg.com › news › articles › us-corpo...
Aug 25, 2022 — Across the economy, adjusted pretax corporate profits increased 6.1% in the April-to-June period from the prior quarter -- the fastest pace in a ..

World's 722 biggest companies 'making $1tn in windfall ...​

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https://www.theguardian.com › business › jul › worlds-...
Jul 5, 2023 — 18 food and beverage companies made on average about $14bn a year in windfall profits in 2021 and 2022. · 28 pharmaceutical companies made on ...

Corporate profits hit record high as economy boomed in ...​

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https://thehill.com › business › 4561631-corporate-hit-r...
Mar 28, 2024 — Adjusted profits after taxes hit a record high of $2.8 trillion, beating the record of $2.7 trillion in the third quarter of 2022. Profits ...

GOP Works to Preserve Tax Cut That Has Delivered $67 ...​

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Common Dreams
https://www.commondreams.org › News › tax cuts
Jul 3, 2023 — Congressional Republicans are working to extend tax breaks that have allowed dozens of major U.S. corporations—including Amazon, Google, ...

Good. Another reason to vote for Trump.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What evidence do you have that this is due to them being bought by big business, rather than because this is what the public wants?

I'm all for people in office cutting spending dramatically. Do you see that most Americans support dramatic cuts in spending?

Oh, I do agree that "we the people" do not want spending cuts, in fact I honestly doubt you do since I bet you have never voted for anyone that has done so.

 

[Andylusion]

Oh, I do agree that "we the people" do not want spending cuts, in fact I honestly doubt you do since I bet you have never voted for anyone that has done so.

I have to vote for the best of the bad choices.

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, because I thought he'd be an over spender, and support other left-wing policies. He was a Democrat for decades after all.

But on election day, I have to pick which I think would do the better job.

 

[hadit]

Billionaires need to pay their fair share.

They already pay the bulk of the bill, but here's reality, you could confiscate every dollar in income from the wealthy above any arbitrary level and not make a significant dent in the government's red tape, and you could only do it once.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Good. Another reason to vote for Trump.

So, corporations can get richer?

Trump told friends at Mar-a-Lago 'you all just got a lot richer ...​

The Hill
https://thehill.com › homenews › administration › 3663...
Dec 24, 2017 — President Trump reportedly told friends at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida just hours after he signed the GOP tax bill that they all just ...


And make make the American middle class poorer?

GOP Works to Preserve Tax Cut That Has Delivered $67 ...​

Common Dreams
https://www.commondreams.org › News › tax cuts
Jul 3, 2023 — Congressional Republicans are working to extend tax breaks that have allowed dozens of major U.S. corporations—including Amazon, Google, ...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I have to vote for the best of the bad choices.

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, because I thought he'd be an over spender, and support other left-wing policies. He was a Democrat for decades after all.

But on election day, I have to pick which I think would do the better job.

how did that work out on the spending front?

 

[sealybobo]

And force companies to close, which I hope they will.

Last year UAW won big in Michigan. They won't be closing those plants.

Mississippi Auto Workers saw what they are making and they are organizing now. I thought unions weren't needed in the south? Hell, just the fear of unions is going to force companies to pay a little better. You're welcome idiots.

UAW’s next big Southern test after winning Tennessee union vote is Alabama, where it faces ‘aggressive management resistance’ from Mercedes​

Mercedes-Benz workers will vote on union in May​

workers who say compensation has stalled at the factory

70% of workers signaled their support for the union.

Now attack Alabama workers

Mercedes-Benz announced that it would build the Vance plant in 1993 and opened it in 1997. The company, drawn by a major economic incentive package and cheaper labor costs in the South, was the first of several car manufacturers and suppliers to locate in Alabama. Hyundai has a plant in Montgomery and Honda has a plant in Lincoln.

So it turns out non union plants in the south suck for workers. Republicans pretended they were happy

However, workers at the Mercedes plant say that pay and benefits have stagnated, and objected to irregular shifts and the use of temporary workers.
And these workers make more than most Alabama uneducated blue collar workers
workers in the state’s automobile industry make an average of $64,682 a year, higher than the median household income of $59,674.

But the report also found that Alabama workers make less than their national counterparts and that real wages in the state industry have fallen 11% between 2002 and 2019.

Mercedes-Benz workers will vote on union in May • Alabama Reflector

The election will cap months of organizing in the Vance plant by workers who say pay and benefits have stalled.

alabamareflector.com

 

[hadit]

You got to find them. If illegal employers were afraid to hire them they’d let them go and they’d go home if they heard the same things happened to their friends. Or they’d step forward to become a legal citizen

Quid Pro is in charge. What is he doing about the situation? Cackles was put in charge of border security. What has she been doing?