Ron Paul: Crimea Secedes. So What?...

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Residents of Crimea voted over the weekend on whether they would remain an autonomous region of Ukraine or join the Russian Federation. In so doing, they joined a number of countries and regions — including recently Scotland, Catalonia and Venice — that are seeking to secede from what they view as unresponsive or oppressive governments.

These latter three are proceeding without much notice, while the overwhelming Crimea vote to secede from Ukraine has incensed U.S. and European Union officials, and has led NATO closer to conflict with Russia than since the height of the Cold War.

What's the big deal? Opponents of the Crimea vote like to point to the illegality of the referendum. But self-determination is a centerpiece of international law. Article I of the United Nations Charter points out clearly that the purpose of the U.N. is to "develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples."

Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?

Critics point to the Russian "occupation" of Crimea as evidence that no fair vote could have taken place. Where were these people when an election held in an Iraq occupied by U.S. troops was called a "triumph of democracy"?

Perhaps the U.S. officials who supported the unconstitutional overthrow of Ukraine's government should refocus their energies on learning our own Constitution, which does not allow the U.S. government to overthrow governments overseas or send a billion dollars to bail out Ukraine and its international creditors.

Though the Obama administration has applied some minimal sanctions on selected Russian and Crimean individuals, neither the U.S. nor the EU can afford significant sanctions against Russia. Global trade provides too much economic benefit to both sides.

Indeed, international markets rallied on news that the sanctions would be thus far minimal. They understand that trade and economic engagement are the surest roads to peace and prosperity. Let's hope governments will follow their lead.

Ron Paul: Crimea secedes. So what?
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"Perhaps the U.S. officials who supported the unconstitutional overthrow of Ukraine's government should refocus their energies on learning our own Constitution, which does not allow the U.S. government to overthrow governments overseas or send a billion dollars to bail out Ukraine and its international creditors."
 
My question exactly. If the people vote to join Russia, who are we to tell them they cannot?

The U.S. and Great Britain feel they're the sole deciders on what's legal/illegal and what is or isn't 'Democracy.' They're just meddling around the World too much these days. Much of the World is beginning to resent it. This thing was none of our business. How many $Billions in Tax Dollars is this misadventure gonna cost us? I'm betting too much. What do you think?
 
I don't know or really care about all of this but I have to ask, is Crimea part of the Ukraine, if Crimea becomes part of Russia, does it landlock Ukraine and if Crimea can vote to leave the Ukraine, does that mean Boston can vote to become part of Ireland or southern California vote to become part of Mexico?
 
I don't know or really care about all of this but I have to ask, is Crimea part of the Ukraine, if Crimea becomes part of Russia, does it landlock Ukraine and if Crimea can vote to leave the Ukraine, does that mean Boston can vote to become part of Ireland or southern California vote to become part of Mexico?

Or how bout Scotland? They're getting ready to dump Great Britain. What do you think about that?
 
Ron Paul: Crimea secedes. So what?



The Germans are in Austria? So what? Now they are 'annexing' Poland? I don't know anyone in Poland - screw it, what could happen?


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My question exactly. If the people vote to join Russia, who are we to tell them they cannot?


If they "vote" with Russian guns on their necks, it can't be a legitimate election.

If you 'choose' to give your wallet to the nice man with a gun pressed into your face, you haven't really made a charitable donation, have you?
 
My question exactly. If the people vote to join Russia, who are we to tell them they cannot?

They voted at the point of a gun, stupid.

I guess the North Korean vote for Kim Jong Un with 100% in favor and 100% turnout is okey-doke with you, too?

I'm surrounded by imbeciles in here.....
 
My question exactly. If the people vote to join Russia, who are we to tell them they cannot?


If they "vote" with Russian guns on their necks, it can't be a legitimate election.

If you 'choose' to give your wallet to the nice man with a gun pressed into your face, you haven't really made a charitable donation, have you?

And this differs from our election process, how exactly?

But that's not really the question. the question is whether or not it is OUR responsibility to police people half way across the world when our own house is falling down around us.
 
My question exactly. If the people vote to join Russia, who are we to tell them they cannot?

I agree.

We have no dog in this fight. If they vote to be part of Russia then thats what they want.

We certainly don't need to seen a billion dollars, that we don't have, to anyone.

One has to wonder what idiots we have in our Govt. Idiots that would stick their noses into something that doesn't concern us in any way shape or form.
 
I think it's humorously ironic, the meddling Brits are gonna have to face some secession reality at home. The Scots are getting ready to dump em. That's gonna get very interesting. Stay tuned.
 
My question exactly. If the people vote to join Russia, who are we to tell them they cannot?

I agree.

We have no dog in this fight. If they vote to be part of Russia then thats what they want.

We certainly don't need to seen a billion dollars, that we don't have, to anyone.

One has to wonder what idiots we have in our Govt. Idiots that would stick their noses into something that doesn't concern us in any way shape or form.

Oh, it's gonna be much more than $1 Billion. Bet on that.
 
My question exactly. If the people vote to join Russia, who are we to tell them they cannot?

I agree.

We have no dog in this fight. If they vote to be part of Russia then thats what they want.

We certainly don't need to seen a billion dollars, that we don't have, to anyone.

One has to wonder what idiots we have in our Govt. Idiots that would stick their noses into something that doesn't concern us in any way shape or form.

The same type of idiots you see here ruffling up their feathers over the spread of the boogeyman. And that if we don't act now, it will soon slip silently (like the boogeyman does) right into our front door and we'll be voting russia too!
 
My question exactly. If the people vote to join Russia, who are we to tell them they cannot?

I agree.

We have no dog in this fight. If they vote to be part of Russia then thats what they want.

We certainly don't need to seen a billion dollars, that we don't have, to anyone.

One has to wonder what idiots we have in our Govt. Idiots that would stick their noses into something that doesn't concern us in any way shape or form.

The same type of idiots you see here ruffling up their feathers over the spread of the boogeyman. And that if we don't act now, it will soon slip silently (like the boogeyman does) right into our front door and we'll be voting russia too!

There's always a Boogeyman to be feared. It's that warped mentality that's led to the awful abuses from the NSA, TSA, IRS, and so on. Overwhelming irrational fear has led us to this current Police State. It's very sad.
 
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The kooky Communists and Neocons are really gonna hate this...


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Feu9sCGiEA]Ron Paul: You're Not FREE if you Can't Secede from an Oppressive Government - YouTube[/ame]
 
Government is an illusion. It's like a dragon, or a leprechaun. it's not real in any tangible sense. it's simply a group of individuals who have claimed authority using guns (violence) to exact their will onto a population of otherwise voluntary actors.
 
While I agree that they voted at the point of a gun, I really feel that the US should stay out of other peoples business.

This is NOT our fight - we should not even be sanctioning other countries.
 
My question exactly. If the people vote to join Russia, who are we to tell them they cannot?


If they "vote" with Russian guns on their necks, it can't be a legitimate election.

If you 'choose' to give your wallet to the nice man with a gun pressed into your face, you haven't really made a charitable donation, have you?

And this differs from our election process, how exactly?

But that's not really the question. the question is whether or not it is OUR responsibility to police people half way across the world when our own house is falling down around us.

Thats fucked up to the highest level that you dont see a problem with that and seek to excuse it. That's so you tho
 

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