Jake Tapper (CNN) just said that the super-secret crime that turns the bookkeeping misdemeanor into a felony is:

[Lesh]

1. If it was a misdemeanor, it expired.
2. Trump cannot be charged for spending his own money. Cohen should have known that.
3. There is no felony. There is no "super-secret crime" charged against Trump. Bragg's case just fell apart.

It became a felony. Not expired

 

[kyzr]

It became a felony. Not expired

It did NOT become a felony. There was no "crime" that was covered up.
None that Trump was convicted of, and none that Trump was indicted for, ZERO super-secret crimes committed.

 

[Lesh]

It did NOT become a felony. There was no "crime" that was covered up.
None that Trump was convicted of, and none that Trump was indicted for, ZERO super-secret crimes committed.

It doesn’t matter if Trump was convicted of it. If he was covering up someone ELSE’S crime it becomes a felony

 

[j-mac]

You can claim anything you want “counselor” but the legal system sees it differently.

And for the record

A. What Trump did is at the very least a misdemeanor. Misdemeanors are CRIMES my friend. Often resulting in jail time for “regular” folks

B. What Trump did was done to hide the CRIMES that Cohen was convicted of.

That all by itself turns that misdemeanor into a felony.

The “underlying crime” need not be committed by the person charged. If it was committed to cover someone else’s crime… it becomes a felony

You up to speed now junior?

wow! That’s some Harvard level shit right there……..not..

 

[j-mac]

It doesn’t matter if Trump was convicted of it. If he was covering up someone ELSE’S crime it becomes a felony

You’re full of shit.

 

[OKTexas]

Mods: Just saw this on TV, so there may not be a link yet.

Jake was talking to two judges and said that the crime that turns the bookkeeping misdemeanor into a felony is "hiding information from voters".

That makes no sense to me. I thought that "Non-Disclosure Agreements" were always perfectly legal.

Is there an exception for Federal election candidates?

Can states enforce Federal election laws? Or, is NY misinterpreting Federal election law?

The Trump Trial in Manhattan is an Indictment of the New York Legal System

Below is my column in the New York Post on the start of the Trump trial today in New York. I have long been critical of the case as a clear example of the weaponization of the criminal justice syst…

jonathanturley.org

"So this is the case: A serial perjurer used to convert a dead state misdemeanor into a felony based on an alleged federal election crime that was rejected by the Justice Department.

But Bragg then used the alleged federal crime to bootstrap a defunct misdemeanor charge into a felony in the current case. He is arguing that Trump intentionally lied when his former lawyer Michael Cohen listed the payments as retainer costs rather than a payment — to avoid reporting it as a campaign contribution to himself."

Is the $130,000 paid to Stormy a campaign contribution from Trump to Trump's campaign?

So Jake Tapper's interpretation may be wrong? Bragg should have specifically listed the "secret crime" that turned the misdemeanor into a felony on the Bill of Particulars, but he didn't.
Was the secret crime:
Hiding info from voters?
Or not reporting a $130,000 campaign contribution (to Stormy) from himself to himself?

And the link to the Taper statement is, WHERE?

.

 

[kyzr]

It doesn’t matter if Trump was convicted of it. If he was covering up someone ELSE’S crime it becomes a felony

There is no crime listed on the Bill of Particulars that says that the hush-money payment was covering up anything.
Again, whose crime was being covered up by the misdemeanor bookkeeping error?
None of the potential super-secret crimes were mentioned.
Now Cohen's testimony turned to shit because he lied to this jury. This trial is OVER, NOT GUILTY.

 

[Lastamender]

You can claim anything you want “counselor” but the legal system sees it differently.

And for the record

A. What Trump did is at the very least a misdemeanor. Misdemeanors are CRIMES my friend. Often resulting in jail time for “regular” folks

B. What Trump did was done to hide the CRIMES that Cohen was convicted of.

That all by itself turns that misdemeanor into a felony.

The “underlying crime” need not be committed by the person charged. If it was committed to cover someone else’s crime… it becomes a felony

You up to speed now junior?

Wow! There should be a shitload of people in jail. You are an idiot.

 

[Lastamender]

You think Obama is not a private citizen??

No. We think he is a traitor.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Mods: Just saw this on TV, so there may not be a link yet.

Jake was talking to two judges and said that the crime that turns the bookkeeping misdemeanor into a felony is "hiding information from voters".

That makes no sense to me. I thought that "Non-Disclosure Agreements" were always perfectly legal.

Is there an exception for Federal election candidates?

Can states enforce Federal election laws? Or, is NY misinterpreting Federal election law?

The Trump Trial in Manhattan is an Indictment of the New York Legal System

Below is my column in the New York Post on the start of the Trump trial today in New York. I have long been critical of the case as a clear example of the weaponization of the criminal justice syst…

jonathanturley.org

"So this is the case: A serial perjurer used to convert a dead state misdemeanor into a felony based on an alleged federal election crime that was rejected by the Justice Department.

But Bragg then used the alleged federal crime to bootstrap a defunct misdemeanor charge into a felony in the current case. He is arguing that Trump intentionally lied when his former lawyer Michael Cohen listed the payments as retainer costs rather than a payment — to avoid reporting it as a campaign contribution to himself."

Is the $130,000 paid to Stormy a campaign contribution from Trump to Trump's campaign?

So Jake Tapper's interpretation may be wrong? Bragg should have specifically listed the "secret crime" that turned the misdemeanor into a felony on the Bill of Particulars, but he didn't.
Was the secret crime:
Hiding info from voters?
Or not reporting a $130,000 campaign contribution (to Stormy) from himself to himself?

Well, trump reimbursed cohen who paid stormy daniels to sign an NDA, and NDA is something that lawyers handle…and cohen was a lawyer…so, wouldn’t recording the payment as a legal expense technically be accurate?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Have you forgotten the $150,000 to Karen McDougall, or the $30,000 to the doorman? That's an illegal, unreported campaign contribution by David Pecker. Which Trump was clearly aware of from the testimony. The payment to SD after Pecker refused to bankroll any more of these stories, on the advice of his attorney.

The crime isn't signing an NDA, it's the conspiracy to cover up Trump's behaviour with women, after the Access Hollywood tapes by buying off the women with real stories of his indiscriminate behaviour to tell, denying (lying) the relationships happened, "They're just out to smear my reputation, none of this ever happened, and look over there - Hillary has Parkinsons". In other words "fraud".

Then there's the time line: Trump, Pecker, and Cohen entered into this conspiracy when Trump came down the escalator. If Trump didn't have sex, or try to assault any of the women who came forward to confirm the Access Hollywood Tape, or the women who claimed to have had sex with him, why was it necessary to set up a "catch and kill" plan BEFORE there had been any such allegations?

And why was Trump, who had been procrastinating about paying Daniels, suddenly wanting it done yesterday, after the AH tape became public?

The charges are for falsifying records and tax evasion. Trump wasn't previously charged on the federal campaign law violations, which took place in 2015/16 because Barr kiboshed the investigation and shut it down, and the statute of limitations had past, but the coverup continued on until 2017. Tax evasion has no statute of limitations under New York law.

But the previous manhattan DA also refused to take up the case

 

[Nostra]

It did NOT become a felony. There was no "crime" that was covered up.
None that Trump was convicted of, and none that Trump was indicted for, ZERO super-secret crimes committed.

Hell, Fat Alvin still hasn't said what the underling crime is..............and the testimony is done.

Talk about a joke of a case.

 

[Lesh]

Hell, Fat Alvin still hasn't said what the underling crime is..............and the testimony is done.

Talk about a joke of a case.

We’ll see what the jury has to say… won’t we

 

[Delldude]

It doesn’t matter if Trump was convicted of it. If he was covering up someone ELSE’S crime it becomes a felony

You are a piece of work. Robert Costello and Cohen shot that right out the window.

 

[Delldude]

Talk about a joke of a case.

Looking like nothing to Bragg about...................

 

[Delldude]

We’ll see what the jury has to say… won’t we

You going to be on suicide watch then?

 

[Lesh]

You going to be on suicide watch then?

Nope. I’ll abide by the jury

Will you?

 

[Thinker101]

Nope. I’ll abide by the jury

Will you?

Remind us again, what is the crime?

 

[g5000]

Mods: Just saw this on TV, so there may not be a link yet.

Jake was talking to two judges and said that the crime that turns the bookkeeping misdemeanor into a felony is "hiding information from voters".

That makes no sense to me. I thought that "Non-Disclosure Agreements" were always perfectly legal.

Is there an exception for Federal election candidates?

Can states enforce Federal election laws? Or, is NY misinterpreting Federal election law?

The Trump Trial in Manhattan is an Indictment of the New York Legal System

Below is my column in the New York Post on the start of the Trump trial today in New York. I have long been critical of the case as a clear example of the weaponization of the criminal justice syst…

jonathanturley.org

"So this is the case: A serial perjurer used to convert a dead state misdemeanor into a felony based on an alleged federal election crime that was rejected by the Justice Department.

But Bragg then used the alleged federal crime to bootstrap a defunct misdemeanor charge into a felony in the current case. He is arguing that Trump intentionally lied when his former lawyer Michael Cohen listed the payments as retainer costs rather than a payment — to avoid reporting it as a campaign contribution to himself."

Is the $130,000 paid to Stormy a campaign contribution from Trump to Trump's campaign?

So Jake Tapper's interpretation may be wrong? Bragg should have specifically listed the "secret crime" that turned the misdemeanor into a felony on the Bill of Particulars, but he didn't.
Was the secret crime:
Hiding info from voters?
Or not reporting a $130,000 campaign contribution (to Stormy) from himself to himself?

The original crime was Cohen's payment to Daniels, which violated campaign finance laws as a contribution in kind. Cohen was convicted of this crime he committed for Trump.

The second crime was the falsifying of business records by Trump to cover up the first crime.

When a crime is committed to hide another crime, then it becomes a felony under New York state law.

You're welcome.

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[EvilCat Breath]

We're any checks to Karen MacDougal ever produced? The doorman we know was a t9tal fabrication.