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Old 06-21-2004, 11:55 PM
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Okay, so I think I understand your point. Don't blame them for the fact that WE aren't enforcing our laws regarding deportation and WE are stupid enough to give them welfare...Point taken.

But if there is some old man who owns a liquor store and he is so old and stupid that you can walk right in and steal a case of booze right in front of his face and he won't even notice, and if he does he'll just slap you on the wrist and tell you not to do it again, does it make it his ALL his fault when someone steals from him? No way, it's partially his fault and mostly the fault of the perpetrators, the ones taking advantage of the situation and committing the crimes. Using your logic, these illegals should accept no blame for their tresspassing here and the wishy-washy immigration policy of the United States should take it all.

Noone is grabbing mexicans be the hand and pulling them in here. They're choosing to break our laws willfully be crossing illegally and working under the table. And they're consciously choosing not to learn the language and not to integrate. Your going to have to heap some of the blame on the people perpetrating the crimes for a change.

BTW I hate George's worker amnesty plan. It's like a slap to the face to people like me who have to deal with all the repercussions of more unskilled, uneducated, non-english speaking immigrants coming in by the truckload everyday, contributing next to nothing with their minimum wage jobs yet collecting billions in welfare services.
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originally posted by Captain Steel But if there is some old man who owns a liquor store and he is so old and stupid that you can walk right in and steal a case of booze right in front of his face and he won't even notice, and if he does he'll just slap you on the wrist and tell you not to do it again, does it make it his ALL his fault when someone steals from him? No way, it's partially his fault and mostly the fault of the perpetrators, the ones taking advantage of the situation and committing the crimes. Using your logic, these illegals should accept no blame for their tresspassing here and the wishy-washy immigration policy of the United States should take it all.
But the US is not an 'old man', nor helpless, nor unable to defend her borders. It's a choice that has been made for a long time now and even moreso under this administration.

I don't blame the Mexicans for walking or swimming in, they are living in abject poverty down there. Get here, have a child born here, have a good case for staying, even if we weren't just handing a blank amnesty every couple years. To seek a better life for yourself or your children? Who wouldn't? The rest of the world has to wait their turn for the lottery, Mexico is just 'there.'

It might make more sense to see if they'd like to become the 51 and possibly 52 state. In a way, kind of like legalizing drugs, much of the costs involved go down and you get the taxes.
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Their economic toll is positive...the economy would collapse if suddenly the HUUUGGEEE chunk that the immigrant workers make of it disappeared...a lot of companies are dependant upon their labor and we therefore have them to thank for a certain amount of our prosperity.....he tries to make it sound like we live in a POOR country...
Sure, it's a positive toll for the major corporations utilizing them to do dead end jobs for minumum wage. Although If these companies were willing to pay a couple bucks more per hour Americans would be taking the jobs themselves. Which would help our country more? Major Corporation CEO's making 100 million a year instead of 500 million. Or thousands of jobs for American citizens.

Also, here is what is costs the United States to allow them to live here: http://www.fairus.org/ImmigrationIss...m?ID=2382&c=13

24.3 Billion a year. for the year 2000. It's twice that now, just 4 years later, with the estimated illegal population doubling in size.
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Not true...if the companies pay more, they produce less, make less and lay off workers...
lets say cotton for example, cause its what I know locally....the immigrants pick the cotton and it get sent to the textile mills where the "americans" work and because of the cheap price of field labor the textile mill is able to employ MANY more american workers than in your example, which just causes inflation and job layoff.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by leojoeyjoe
[B]Not true...if the companies pay more, they produce less, make less and lay off workers...


How would paying the workers more effect production? The people really benefiting from the cheap labor aren't the company as a whole it's the filthy rich CEO's. Take it out of their pocket, and noone has to get laid off it's just that simple.

Besides, who do think did the jobs before the Mexicans came here? Native born Americans, of all colors, did those jobs. And they still do them in states where the Mexicans haven't settled in yet. Many midwest states, and northeast states are like this. Who do you think takes care of all the fast food restaraunts, hotels, diners, landscaping, etc. Whites, blacks, all kinds of American born citizens do.
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originally posted by Captain SteelHow would paying the workers more effect production? The people really benefiting from the cheap labor aren't the company as a whole it's the filthy rich CEO's. Take it out of their pocket, and noone has to get laid off it's just that simple.
It's not the way it works, if something cost more to produce, (ie., salaries), the company raises the price. It will cost us all more at the store, thus our salaries must go up or our real income goes down.
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It's not the way it works, if something cost more to produce, (ie., salaries), the company raises the price. It will cost us all more at the store, thus our salaries must go up or our real income goes down.
True Kathi I agree, but....

We've been getting our goods real cheap here in CA for the past 10 or 15 years. Food, services, etc. But our taxes have increased dramatically and our infrastructure is falling apart to say the least. I would gladly pay more for those goods, if it meant there would be several billion more each year to spend on our infrastructure.

Plus, I still believe that there wouldn't be a need for that if the people at the top of these huge corporations just took a big decrease in their salaries to accomodate for a better employee wage....I could be wrong but...

Any way you look at it, the fact still stands that these immigrants take way more than they give. Simple as that. There is no justifying their presence here. Especially the ones here illegally, and working under the table, sending all of their savings back to Mexico.
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Truth is Capt. you are living in the hardest hit state. Both illegals from Mexico and Asia. CA is a tough place to live cost wise and now the schools have been falling for years. Not much bang for your buck.
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How would paying the workers more effect production? The people really benefiting from the cheap labor aren't the company as a whole it's the filthy rich CEO's. Take it out of their pocket, and noone has to get laid off it's just that simple.
your assertion depends on the morals of the filthy rich ceos....take it out of their pocket and they lay off workers to put it BACK in their pocket....its THAT simple
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How the hell do you think America survived all those years WITHOUT illegals doing the grunt work?

WE DID THE JOBS!!

That line "they're doing the jobs that we won't do" is BS. They're just doing them for less money.

Kick em the hell out I say, the f@#$in bastards...If you love em so much then go down to mexico and live with em. Have fun.

Mexis, get the Fuck outta my land!!

You already have a goddamn home so stay there. Your turning my country into a turd world shithole. How long do think we can afford to pay for your social services? Your food, money, rent, health care? All the while the entire infrastructure deteriorates with years of disrepair. And your the reason.

Mexis, Screw You!!

Damn f@#$in bums!

The people of this country need more uneducated, non-english speaking immigrants like we need a hole in our head. Don't you understand we're sick of the f@#$s!! Every time I see some f@#$in immigrant standing in a group speaking some foriegn language (and every word ends with a vowel) and staring at white people I want to explode. WE HATE THEM!! But the politicians don't care!

This country is doomed.
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Serious anger issues with Steel, he's likely to shoot up a bunch of Hispanics on the street, keep an eye on him.

The fact of the matter is, and I lived in California for almost twenty years is that some Mexicans receive aid, most don't. Steel has bought hook, line and sinker all the generalities of of the hard right. I'll bet you that if I put Steel into a crew of landscapers with him being the only white and the rest of em Mexicans they would work his ass into the ground, he wouldn't last a day. The fact is in California if Mexicans leave then California ceases to exist, California produces 25% of the world's produce and that industry would shrivel up and whither away unless Steel is willing to pick tomatoes.

Check out the names of alot of California cities and towns, Mexicans are the natives, everyone else is an immigrant. BTW English is not our native tongue.

I think we can all tell that Steel just hates Mexicans because they are Mexican, or am I reading his mental breakdown rant wrong?

So hey Steel how'bout it? No more St. Patricks Day? Its not an American holiday you know, or do we keep it because Irish are white?

Also you're first statement about grunt work is completely false, America has always relied on first slave labor and later cheap immigrant labor, Whites have never solely done grunt labor, that is a joke.
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How the hell do you think America survived all those years WITHOUT illegals doing the grunt work?

WE DID THE JOBS!!

That line "they're doing the jobs that we won't do" is BS. They're just doing them for less money.

Kick em the hell out I say, the f@#$in bastards...If you love em so much then go down to mexico and live with em. Have fun.

Mexis, get the Fuck outta my land!!

You already have a goddamn home so stay there. Your turning my country into a turd world shithole. How long do think we can afford to pay for your social services? Your food, money, rent, health care? All the while the entire infrastructure deteriorates with years of disrepair. And your the reason.

Mexis, Screw You!!

Damn f@#$in bums!

The people of this country need more uneducated, non-english speaking immigrants like we need a hole in our head. Don't you understand we're sick of the f@#$s!! Every time I see some f@#$in immigrant standing in a group speaking some foriegn language (and every word ends with a vowel) and staring at white people I want to explode. WE HATE THEM!! But the politicians don't care!

This country is doomed.
you need some serious help/maybe even a mental evaluation and heavy Meds. WE have never done the field labor, read a history book better yet have someone that can read, read it to you. High school kids wont even accept the jobs these folks do, for ANY amount of money. I have several close neighbors that are Hispanic. I have found them to be a hard working, honorable lot. No trouble from them at all. so speak for yourself not all of US.
The only thing that will doom this country is close-minded folks like yourself that have forgotten where YOU came from. we were at one time all immigrants. and it was we that sold the land from the Natives in the first place. how bout we just up and give it all back? same differance....If you dont like the way that America is evolving go somewhere else. Otherwise put a lid on it. Bitchin bout illegals is fine(of any ethnic background) but lay off the folks that are here legally and working to better their lives and ours as well.
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Your right, we were all immigrants at one time. And then we learned engish, embraced American culture, and completely assimilated into America. These bastards have been here for generations and refuse to do any of those things. That's the difference between "us" and "them".
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