I was reading a book review of two new books on torture and extraordinary rendition, and I came across this:

Apparently, the President was wondering whether or not to authorize the "extraordinary rendition" of a terrorist suspect, having been advised by counsel that it was illegal.

Then the Vice-President came in. laughed, and said "That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass."

I was surprised. Should I have been?

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You can get a lot further in life with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.

Doug - it's good to see that you're not a cynic

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Ya cause we have a tape of that conversation of course?

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Come on guys, this is Doug, a hard core right wing partisan, do you not think his reason for this is to do what modern cynical men do best? Weigh everyone so they all come out the same and wrong becomes Ok.