http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...w&pageId=62294


WASHINGTON – Despite suffering 4,000 deaths in Iraq, annual U.S. military casualties overall during the first six years of the Bush administration are well below the average for the 26-year period beginning in 1980, a WND investigation has revealed.

Even in 2005, the deadliest year of the Iraq campaign, U.S. troop fatalities around the world, including Afghanistan, were lower than the first nine years of the study – when the Cold War was still raging in a time of relative peace.

In 2005, a total of 1,942 U.S. military personnel were killed in all causes, including accidents, hostile action, homicides, illnesses, suicides, etc. That compares to 2,392 in 1980, the last year of President Jimmy Carter's administration. In fact, twice as many U.S. military personnel were killed in accidents in that one year than were killed in hostile actions in any year of the Bush administration.



http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personne...eath_Rates.pdf




I am still waiting for people to verbally bitch slap Jimmy Carter around for all the deaths HE caused!

"Jimmy cried and people died!"

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Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato

But Jimmy was such a great President, why would anyone want to slap him? People need to realize that Carter was easily the worst president in American history and possibly the worst leader of in the history of the english speaking peoples.

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Leroy Green: The truth will be revealed only to eyes unclouded by desire.
Sho'nuff: It's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinkin' they the Last Dragon that gives kung-fu a bad name.

A whale we sho needed that knuckle dragging peanut farmer to destroy awll that whole filthy steel industry fo sho...................but I notice he isn't paying his pentence with Habitat fo Humanity anymo..............who the hell let im out???????????


I remember the bastard tellin us "we must awll tighten our belts"...................ARE THEY FREAKIN' TIGHT ENOUGH YET DIPSTICK???????

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Not hard to have accidents when your leftovers from Vietnam weapons and equipment are held together with duct tape and bailing wire. We had to go out in town and purchase our own rifle cleaning gear in 1980. The budget didn't include such "nonessential" items as patches, Que-tips, pipecleaners and brushes.

My pay at the time totalled a $200. paycheck on the 15th, and a $199. paycheck on the 30th. No allotments.

It were fun.

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Now it's Habitat for Hamas.

Near the end of "The Great Escape", an American officer asked his German captors, "How many were wounded?" That's a valid question here. One that goes unanswered.

But let's examine the underlying data, the actual statistics compiled by the Department of Defense, and see if there's a trend.

Looking in the column "Total Deaths" we see a steady decline from 2,392 in 1980 to a low of 758 in 2000, and a steady increase every year after (2006 being incomplete, as noted on the table).

Plugging the fatality numbers into Excel shows an average drop of 82 fatalities a year from 1981 through 2000, and an average increase of 237 per year from 2001 through 2005. Comparing the 758 deaths in 2000 to the 1,941 deaths in 2005 shows an increase of 256%.

The trend establishes a steady improvement that Bush erased, and then reversed. The original post faults Carter for lacking the professional military and the improved equipment that saved so many lives, while ignoring Bush's decision to launch an avoidable war that cost 4,000 lives without making us any safer.

It's easy to minimize the sacrifices of our soldiers by counting only fatalities, and averaging the data out over a period long enough to smooth out a discrepancy. I'm not sure why the right-wing thinks it good politics to pretend the costs of this war are of little consequence.

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I don't know why the left thinks it is ok to pretend the death rate in this war is earth shattering and a good reason to abandon an entire country to anarchy and enslavement.

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Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

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I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

It is anarchy and enslavement NOW for many there, who have not left for refuge camps already?

The death rate in this war should not be dimished just because it wasn't on the level of the disasterous Viet Nam.... or any of the World wars for certain.

It is objectionable because this was a WAR OF CHOICE, not a war of imminent danger and not a war that is to defend our country from any immediate harm from an enemy and because it was a deflection from 9/11 and going after the bad guys that did this too us with all our force, might, and intelligence....we got sidetracked...with money and forces and intelligence personell that we could have used to snuff the 9/11 perps once and for all...or go after them with a vengence imho.

And I don't think anyone should compare a soldier that dies by accident with a soldier that dies in a war that he went to, to supposedly defend us...the soldier did this with grace and honor and with a sense of duty to his country.... an accident is just that, an accidental death.

still sad, but NOT the same imo.

care

So, you're opinion is that we should wait until something happens to us and then respond? Why is that? What is wrong with taking some premptive action to prevent the death of citizens?

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The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Genghis Khan

Leroy Green: The truth will be revealed only to eyes unclouded by desire.
Sho'nuff: It's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinkin' they the Last Dragon that gives kung-fu a bad name.

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On the merits, I'll join with Care4all.

But why are you changing the subject, RGS? The original post was intended to minimize the sacrifice made by troops in Iraq.

People like you and gunny made the military more professional, and that (with better equipment) created the trend toward fewer fatalities. The original post and the article it cites pretends that trend never happened, and that current levels of loss are routine.

Whether Iraq was worth the cost is another debate. We are debating whether the cost is of little consequence, and you have joined with those who suggest that it is. Shame of them, and shame on you.

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People like you that would send the message to our enemies that if they just kill enough Americans and hold on long enough you WILL cut and run are the reason we have the problems we do. Hell your message is if you kill even one of us we will tuck our tails between our legs and run away. Hoping to be left alone a little longer.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Dogger doesnt REALLY care about Americans....He just likes to shit over others when things dont go the way HE wants them to.

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Let's make sure I understand you.

You start a thread that minimized the sacrifice of American troops who died, and ignored the sacrifice of those who suffered horrendous injuries.

And I object to your shameful disregard of those sacrifices because (in your twisted mind) I don't care about Americans?

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IT DOESN"T MINIMIZE ANYTHING!


It goes to show that people with the argument that Bush is a fuckin killer has had LESS deaths DURING A TIME OF WAR than all the other years of peace.

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