The Dead Speak
By Paul Greenberg, Townhall
April 9, 2008

There are some names in the obituary columns that say more than the voices of the living.

Such is the name of Dith Pran, who died in New Brunswick, N.J., last Sunday at the age of 65. He was the Cambodian photographer who somehow survived the collection of killing fields that his country became after the Americans abandoned it. And who somehow made his way to the United States to tell the world about it.

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"In war, there is no alternative but to apply every available means to bring it to a swift end. There is no substitute for victory. War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision." General Douglas MacArthur

“Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it.” Jean-Francois Revel

There will be a repeat of history in Iraq if Hillary and Obama have their way. They will cut and run just like Billy did from Somalia and leave a bigger mess then before.

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The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Genghis Khan

Leroy Green: The truth will be revealed only to eyes unclouded by desire.
Sho'nuff: It's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinkin' they the Last Dragon that gives kung-fu a bad name.

Cut and run. Good sound bite.

Let's just stay and diddle like you want.

It was a fuck up to go there. How long do you perpetuate a mistake before you are making more mistakes?

Yeah, let's just keep getting our troops killed. Then every six months or so, Petraeus and Crocker can say that they aren't sure when we will win or what constitutes winning, but there will be a terrible mess if we leave.

When Petraeus uses the dead soldiers he has brokered to run for Senate, will that make any difference? He is one of the perfumed princes that Colonel Hackworth wrote so much about. Fuck the troops full speed ahead on my career.

Fucking losers playing the patriotic pandering game, and you just go along lock step and curse out anyone who dares to disagree.

Col Hackworth wouldn't support leaving without finishing the job so quit quoting him. I thought Marines were taught to stay until the job was finished? By your reasoning, the USMC should have given up at Chosin, Pusan, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, and every other place it got too tough and people died.

What kind of candy ass Marine are you?

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The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Genghis Khan

Leroy Green: The truth will be revealed only to eyes unclouded by desire.
Sho'nuff: It's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinkin' they the Last Dragon that gives kung-fu a bad name.

You just described yourself to a "t".

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This is an example of the type of thinking that eventually resulted in the killing fields of Cambodia. What do you think will happen in Iraq if the Democrats force the withdrawal of U.S. troops?

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"In war, there is no alternative but to apply every available means to bring it to a swift end. There is no substitute for victory. War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision." General Douglas MacArthur

“Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it.” Jean-Francois Revel

My guess is that the libs don't care what happens in Iraq, just like they didn't care what happened to the Vietnamese after we left or to the Somalis after we left. If it doesn't involve them being in power, they don't care.

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The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Genghis Khan

Leroy Green: The truth will be revealed only to eyes unclouded by desire.
Sho'nuff: It's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinkin' they the Last Dragon that gives kung-fu a bad name.

So we stay and fight? Finish the job? Even though there is no definate number of Iraqi civilians killed during operation Iraqi freedom, the consensus is that number is hundreds of thousands. No biggie right, except of course the growing hundreds of thousands of enemies we make as that civilian death count racks up. Fathers that have lost their sons, sons that have lost their fathers etc etc....... their hatred, resentment and hostility will keep spreading. This is just going to turn out to be a 10+ year war whether we like it or not.

We are at a point where running from it will occomplish nothing and staying and fighting, well, is accomplishing nothing.

Those Iraqis that are enjoying their freedom now might disagree with you on us accomplishing nothing. And the consensus is that the hundreds of thousands number is BS, some think tank extrapolated the number based on data from 10 years ago. True numbers are a lot lower.

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The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Genghis Khan

Leroy Green: The truth will be revealed only to eyes unclouded by desire.
Sho'nuff: It's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinkin' they the Last Dragon that gives kung-fu a bad name.

Yeah, you conservatives are the only real patriots and heroes. What a fucking joke. They can't even define what the fuck victory would be, so I guess we just stay forever.

I love the strength of your argument. If someone doesn't agree with you thery are a candy ass.

I would tell you to kiss my candy ass, but you being from swamp..........

Well, we know running away with out tails between our legs isn't victory, despite what libs think.

Not everyone, just you...................oh, and Taoman.

You'd enjoy it too much. Didn't know they let queers in the Marines.

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The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Genghis Khan

Leroy Green: The truth will be revealed only to eyes unclouded by desire.
Sho'nuff: It's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinkin' they the Last Dragon that gives kung-fu a bad name.

Silly analysis, reputable only to those with closed minds possessing hyper partisan views. Ronald Reagan pulled out of Lebanon after 200 Marines perished after the barracks bombing attack.

Does that make the Gipper a cut and runner?

The short answer is no, it does not.

Through Regan's memoirs do we learn the reason Washington withdrew. His reasoning for pulling out was obvious, rational and more importantly the right choice. Reagan decided it was better to skin out of town then stay among the wackos. Reagan argued the Arabs were just too crazy and too irrational to deal with.

He never would have let something like an Iraq war happen. He knew the volatility of the region and correctly predicted the implications of a greater US military presence. Now, I don't agree with Regan that all Arab Muslims are crazy or irrational, however thats beside the point.

Reagan had the foresight, at that moment in history, to estimate further American intervention in Lebanon could lead to a needless calamity in the Arab part of the world.

Reagan never would have invaded Iraq. And he most certainly wasn't a 'cut and runner', or whatever the latest media buzz word that you latched onto calls it.

I would have to disagree. Reagan shouldn't have left Beirut after the bombing. Having served in the Middle East and studied the culture, they respect strength. If someone bombs you, you bomb them back harder. Then you can leave after showing your strength and you will still be respected. If you leave after getting injured without retaliation, you lose respect, standing and that makes it harder to obtain respect later.

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The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Genghis Khan

Leroy Green: The truth will be revealed only to eyes unclouded by desire.
Sho'nuff: It's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinkin' they the Last Dragon that gives kung-fu a bad name.

Added to post.

More like that 70% disapprove of how the war is being conducted, not the war itself.

65% believe the US has an obligation to establish a level of stability and security prior to leaving Iraq. 32% say no.

Less than 20% say we should leave Iraq immediately.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104977/Am...ving-Iraq.aspx

Guess that makes you part of 32% or less than 20% -- whichever you prefer -- not 70%.

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