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03-15-2008, 07:22 PM
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The U.S. military's first and only study looking into ties between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda showed no connection between the two, according to a military report released by the Pentagon.
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Next you're going to tell me there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction!
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03-15-2008, 07:28 PM
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Are we going to do this one again? The only people that believed there was anything more than a tenuous connection between Hussein and AQ are the ones uneducated on the topic of the Middle East and its factions.
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03-15-2008, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GunnyL Are we going to do this one again? The only people that believed there was anything more than a tenuous connection between Hussein and AQ are the ones uneducated on the topic of the Middle East and its factions. | And Dick Cheney. 
oh wait... you said "believed"....
never mind.
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Originally Posted by GunnyL Are we going to do this one again? The only people that believed there was anything more than a tenuous connection between Hussein and AQ are the ones uneducated on the topic of the Middle East and its factions. | Uneducated with the highest degree.  |
03-15-2008, 08:19 PM
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Rep Power: 29 | | | And yet this was a major initiative by the Bush whitewash in revving up for the war.
Now they are saying that althought there was no Al Quaeda in Iraq before the war, they will be there for a long long time now.
Somehow it seems counterintuitive if the war in Iraq is the real battleground for the war on terrorism.
If it's old news and doesn't need to be discussed, then why do so many on the right bring up Clinton? Isn't he also in the past. I guess it's what we want to acknowledge or not. |
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Originally Posted by rayboyusmc And yet this was a major initiative by the Bush whitewash in revving up for the war.
Now they are saying that althought there was no Al Quaeda in Iraq before the war, they will be there for a long long time now.
Somehow it seems counterintuitive if the war in Iraq is the real battleground for the war on terrorism.
If it's old news and doesn't need to be discussed, then why do so many on the right bring up Clinton? Isn't he also in the past. I guess it's what we want to acknowledge or not. | Saddam supported Hezbollah and Hamas financially. So there WAS a link to Saddam and terrorism. That he wasn't linked specifically to AQ is irrelevant to me.
Clinton was the last Democrat President. When making comparisons, it's him or nobody. Unless you'd prefer using Jimbob Carter for comparison.
It's rather intellectually dishonest to bring up what Bush's grandaddy did, and try and make something out of nothing aobut Bush's military service; yet, say that someone less removed by years than either of those is off limits because he isn't President anymore.
And if a Democrat wins the Presidency, I expect to not hear another word about Bush from the day he leaves office on.
But we both KNOW that's not going to happen. Y'all still dredge up Nixon and Reagan.
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03-15-2008, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GunnyL Are we going to do this one again? The only people that believed there was anything more than a tenuous connection between Hussein and AQ are the ones uneducated on the topic of the Middle East and its factions. | Quote:
CONDI RICE We know too that several of the detainees, in particular some high-ranking detainees, have said that Iraq provided some training to Al Qaeda in chemical-weapons development.
ARI FLEISHER: Clearly, Al Qaeda is operating inside Iraq. And the point is, in the shadowy world of terrorism, sometimes there is no precise way to have definitive information until it is too late.
ARI FLEISHER: We have solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Al Qaeda and Iraqi officials going back a decade, and, as Condi said, of chemical and biological agent training.
ARI FLEISHER:. We know that Al Qaeda have found refuge in Iraq. There is credible reporting that Al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq to acquire chemical and other weapons of mass destruction capabilities.
ARI FLEISHER: Well, as Condi said last night—I cite her words—"Iraq has provided some training to Al Qaeda in chemical weapons development."
RUMSFELD: This is a man who continues to murder his own people; a man who has gassed—used gas on his own citizens; a man who has used chemical weapons on his neighbors; a man who has invaded two countries; a man which hates—who hates America; a man who loves to link up with Al Qaeda; a man who is a true threat to America, to Israel, to anybody in the neighborhood.
BUSH: We know that Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy—the United States of America. We know that Iraq and Al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade.
BUSH: This is a man that we know has had connections with Al Qaeda. This is a man who, in my judgment, would like to use Al Qaeda as a forward army. And this is a man that we must deal with for the sake of peace, for the sake of our children's peace.
BUSH: We know that he has had contacts with terrorist networks like Al Qaeda. And we know, clearly, that one of the dangers we face is him serving as a training ground and an arsenal for one of these shadowy terrorist networks, which could come home, come home here. And so he's a danger.
BUSH: Saddam is a man who would likely team up with Al Qaeda. He could provide the arsenal for one of these shadowy terrorist networks. He would love to use somebody else to attack us, and not leave fingerprints behind.
BUSH: And, not only that, he is—would like nothing better than to hook-up with one of these shadowy terrorist networks like Al Qaeda, provide some weapons and training to them, let them come and do his dirty work, and we wouldn't be able to see his fingerprints on his action.
BUSH: Saddam's a threat because he is dealing with Al Qaeda. In my Cincinnati speech, I reminded the American people, a true threat facing our country is that an Al Qaeda-type network trained and armed by Saddam could attack America and leave not one fingerprint.
CONDI RICE: Al Qaeda operatives gain training in CBRN [chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear], or having meetings with—between Iraqis and Al Qaeda in various parts of the world, there's a relationship here.
BUSH: Saddam Hussein is harboring terrorists and the instruments of terror. He is pressing forward with weapons of mass destruction—weapons he's already used in his war against Iran and against his own people. His regime has had high-level contacts with Al Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to Al Qaeda terrorists.
CHENEY: It's been pretty well confirmed that he (Atta) did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia
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03-15-2008, 09:22 PM
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Throughout the Clinton Administration what were these silly Dims talkin about....didn't these folks TESTIFY for the 9/11 Commission?
And what were they telling the 9/11 Commission?
And you STILL asked the stupid question...Where did the idea of an Iraqi/ AQ connection come from...? It came from the Clinton Administration, thats where, thats what testimony to the 9/11 Commission revealed....
PAGE 128 9/11 report
Time....11/1998
....this passage led Clark, who for years had read intell reports on Iraqi-Sudanese
cooperation on chemical weapons, to specualte to Berger that a large Iraqi presence at chem
facilities in Khartoum was "probably a direct result of the Iraq-Al Qida
agreement." Clark added that VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the
"exact formula" used by Iraq."
PAGE 61 9/11 Report
With the Sudanese regime acting as intermediary, Ben Ladin himself
met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995
Ben Ladin is said to have asked for space to establish training camps, as well as assistance
assistance in procuring weapons, but there in no evidence that Iraq responded to this
request...As described below, the ensuring years saw additional efforts to
establish connections....
PAGE 66 9/11 Report
There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi
regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to received a response.
In mid 1998 the situation reversed; it was Iraq that reportedly took the initiative. In
March 1998, after Bin Ladin's public fatwa against the United States two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Ben Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin's Egyptian
deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own the the Iraqis.
Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have
occured in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the
Taliban. According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe
haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, etc......
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03-16-2008, 03:12 AM
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1. AQ committed the atrocities on 9/11
2. Cheney rushes in and tells Bush that Saddam was connected to AQ so Iraq can be invaded.
3. Iraq is invaded.
Which bit did I get wrong? |
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Originally Posted by Jillian And Dick Cheney.
oh wait... you said "believed"....
never mind. | its the little things jilliian..like this..that allow me to overlook the rest
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Originally Posted by Diuretic Wait a minute Gunny.
1. AQ committed the atrocities on 9/11
2. Cheney rushes in and tells Bush that Saddam was connected to AQ so Iraq can be invaded.
3. Iraq is invaded.
Which bit did I get wrong? | Line 2 would be wrong.
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03-16-2008, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt Line 2 would be wrong. | Conceded. |
03-16-2008, 08:27 AM
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They launched a war that wasn't needed. The true believers will still follow that line no matter where it goes. We need to finish what we started.
But none of them will say we need to hold accountable those who led US into this war with bullshit evidence.
We can hold Billy accountable for lying about a BJ, but not Bush, Cheney, Feith, Wolfy or any other NeoCant for their disastrous lack of leadership in getting US into Iraq/
If any of you screwed up that bad in your job, would you still be working there?
Read the Post Article that I posted. Little Luke Cowpie has been manipulated by the Dark Lord since day one.
The really stupid thing is we aren't really even fighting terrorism in Iraq. We kill ten and create another 20. |
03-16-2008, 08:37 AM
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This is the problem with a a man who is inherenty a nasty bastard. He truly believes that all other people are nasty bastards just like him and his actions are accordingly.
The problem with the "Nasty Bastard" philosophy is that if everyone had it, we would all have killed each off long ago.
This is already a year old and has been confirmed again. Let's see how long the lying Vader takes before he goes on one of his hand picked right wing news outlets and says it again. Quote:
AP) Saddam Hussein's government did not cooperate with al Qaeda prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the U.S. Defense Department said in a report based on interrogations of the deposed leader and two of his former aides.
Meanwhile, Vice President Dick Cheney repeated his assertions of al Qaeda links to Saddam's Iraq, contending that the terrorist group was operating in Iraq before the March 2003 invasion led by U.S. forces and that terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was leading the Iraqi branch of al Qaeda. Others in al Qaeda planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"He took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq, organized the al Qaeda operations inside Iraq before we even arrived on the scene and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we killed him last June," Cheney told radio host Rush Limbaugh during an interview Thursday. "As I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq."
However, a declassified Pentagon report released Thursday said that interrogations of Saddam and two of his former aides as well as seized Iraqi documents confirmed that the terrorist organization and the Saddam government were not working together before the invasion.
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