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02-23-2008, 08:59 AM
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A few months ago, Barak Obama said he would strike and kill Al Qaeda cells hiding in Pakistan if we had actionable intelligence, with or without the "permission" of the Pakistani government.
Republicans went bat shit crazy, and said Obama was naive, and it would be dangerous to "bomb" or "attack" pakistan.
Obama was right. The CIA just did what Obama said would be his policy...they killed a senior al qaeda leader hiding in pakistan, without the permission of the Pakistani government.
Obama was right. Obama: stronger on terrorism. Republicans: we should ask permission from the pakistani government for us to kill the people who attacked us on 9/11. Quote: Unilateral Strike Called a Model For U.S. Operations in Pakistan
Senior Al Qaeda Leader Killed by Missle Strike in Pakistan
Washington Post Staff
Tuesday, February 19, 2008; Page A01
In the predawn hours of Jan. 29, a CIA Predator aircraft flew in a slow arc above the Pakistani town of Mir Ali. The drone's operator, relying on information secretly passed to the CIA by local informants, clicked a computer mouse and sent the first of two Hellfire missiles hurtling toward a cluster of mud-brick buildings a few miles from the town center.
The missiles killed Abu Laith al-Libi, a senior al-Qaeda commander and a man who had repeatedly eluded the CIA's dragnet. It was the first successful strike against al-Qaeda's core leadership in two years, and it involved, U.S. officials say, an unusual degree of autonomy by the CIA inside Pakistan.
Having requested the Pakistani government's official permission for such strikes on previous occasions, only to be put off or turned down, this time the U.S. spy agency did not seek approval. The government of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf was notified only as the operation was underway, according to the officials, who insisted on anonymity because of diplomatic sensitivities.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021802500.html | Quote: John McCain on Obama's policy of attacking Al Qaeda cells in Pakistan:
"The best idea is not to broadcast what you're going to do, that's naive," said McCain, who also questioned the very notion of "bombing Pakistan without their permission." -- Los Angeles Timess
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02-29-2008, 02:25 PM
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Rep Power: 27 | | | SO ....what you're really saying is that the tactics of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION are working and that Obama agrees with them.....and you note McCain and some Republicans have some reservations about running attacks without notifying the Pakistani government....
About time you recognize that fact.....
You say:::
"Republicans went bat shit crazy, and said Obama was naive, and it would be dangerous to "bomb" or "attack" pakistan.???"
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WTF ?? Bombing or attacking Pakistan would be crazy...they have been our allies to some degree in this fight....who would advocate attacking Pakistan???
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Originally Posted by DeadCanDance  A few months ago, Barak Obama said he would strike and kill Al Qaeda cells hiding in Pakistan if we had actionable intelligence, with or without the "permission" of the Pakistani government.
Republicans went bat shit crazy, and said Obama was naive, and it would be dangerous to "bomb" or "attack" pakistan.
Obama was right. The CIA just did what Obama said would be his policy...they killed a senior al qaeda leader hiding in pakistan, without the permission of the Pakistani government.
Obama was right. Obama: stronger on terrorism. Republicans: we should ask permission from the pakistani government for us to kill the people who attacked us on 9/11. | Was Obama right when he voted against timetables, then right before he announced his candiacy for President he voted for a firm deadline? Which time was he right? Also you shouldn't have any problem at all of us bombing any of our allies right? I mean if the British Muslim community is plotting a terror attack against the US then you wouldn't have any reservations bombing the Ape shit out of them right?
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02-29-2008, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jreeves Was Obama right when he voted against timetables, then right before he announced his candiacy for President he voted for a firm deadline? Which time was he right? Also you shouldn't have any problem at all of us bombing any of our allies right? I mean if the British Muslim community is plotting a terror attack against the US then you wouldn't have any reservations bombing the Ape shit out of them right? |
do you not think that Britain would be capable of responding to such actionable intelligence itself? LOL
Pakistan sure wasn't.
And you have it turned around. He voted against a firm deadline, and voted FOR timetables with benchmarks. Two different things.
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02-29-2008, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Alpha1 SO ....what you're really saying is that the tactics of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION are working and that Obama agrees with them.....and you note McCain and some Republicans have some reservations about running attacks without notifying the Pakistani government....
About time you recognize that fact.....
You say:::
"Republicans went bat shit crazy, and said Obama was naive, and it would be dangerous to "bomb" or "attack" pakistan.???"
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WTF ?? Bombing or attacking Pakistan would be crazy...they have been our allies to some degree in this fight....who would advocate attacking Pakistan??? | who would attack Barack Obama for saying that he would act independently on actionable intelligence if Pakistan was unable or unwilling?
Oh...why that would be the republicans! 
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02-29-2008, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by maineman do you not think that Britain would be capable of responding to such actionable intelligence itself? LOL
Pakistan sure wasn't.
And you have it turned around. He voted against a firm deadline, and voted FOR timetables with benchmarks. Two different things. | Just like the London bombings right? I believe Pakistan has arrested more terrorist based on intelligence than Britian right?
No deadline and a timetable is directly related, my friend.
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03-01-2008, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by maineman who would attack Barack Obama for saying that he would act independently on actionable intelligence if Pakistan was unable or unwilling?
Oh...why that would be the republicans! | Do what..... 
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03-02-2008, 12:04 PM
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SO ....what you're really saying is that the tactics of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION are working and that Obama agrees with them..
No the Bush tactics have been failing for five years. The surge is a temporary strategy (that is now turning out to more permanent) to secure Baghdad. Hint: There are other cities and provinces that may still have a wee bit of fukking violence yet.
...and you note McCain and some Republicans have some reservations about running attacks without notifying the Pakistani government..
If you are serious about killing Al Quaeda, you damn well better be ready to hit them when and where you find them.
Bush has mollycoddled Mushareff...
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03-02-2008, 12:28 PM
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Rep Power: 4 | | | Seems funny to say the strike was without consent... when they clearly consent to drones in their airspace, drone with hellfire missiles. Unless Pakistan thinks they won't be fired in their territory, they gave permission.
And if violating another nation's sovereignty is ok if you KNOW there is a target there you want to kill, then you're saying to other nations - invade our airspace if you can, and kill whomever you feel should be killed - we respect that sort of thing.
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