Did you realize Obama actually voted against a withdrawl from Iraq in June of
'06? Then he voted for a withdrawl from Iraq in April of '07? How convenient that he voted for a withdrawl when it was politically advantageous, hmm? But you haven't heard very much of his conflicting votes in the media, wonder if we will hear it in the general election debate?

Well that is enough for Maineman.

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-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

I would like to see the wording of the 2006 resolution before I place much stock in this...and again... he has been against this war from before it began...Hillary voted for it.

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Not to mention he didn't source it. So a) who knows if it's true or not; and b) who knows what else was attached to it.

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When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.

Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi was the world's most unhinged lunatic. He's now dead. So that moves Ann Coulter up to first place - David Letterman

O, when she is angry she is keen and shrewd; / She was a vixen when she went to school, / And though she be but little, she is fierce. — Shakespeare

51 days left http://www.backwardsbush.com/

Ohh so if it had some pork for Obama it would have been a ok ehh?

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

who's talking about pork? I'm talking about things that matter.

you guy never do *get* stuff like changing a vote when a bill is amended. It's almost pathological, actually. And again, it's unsourced, so who knows if it's even true?

Where are your usual demands for "proof"?

I'll wait.

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"Trust none of what you hear And less of what you see" Springsteen

When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.

Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi was the world's most unhinged lunatic. He's now dead. So that moves Ann Coulter up to first place - David Letterman

O, when she is angry she is keen and shrewd; / She was a vixen when she went to school, / And though she be but little, she is fierce. — Shakespeare

51 days left http://www.backwardsbush.com/

I haven't said it is true. Just noting how your trying to cover in case it is. As for changing a vote for procedural reasons Obama is not likely to be the one ask to do that. Rather the leader of his party would. Unless of course Obama was the one that created the bill in the first place, then he might get the job.

So to recap, it is ok to vote FOR the war as long as you GET SOMETHING out of it? Does that about sum up your position?

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

vote 181 S 2766: Would have set a firm withdrawl date from Iraq....Obama voted No

vote 147 H R 1591: Would have set benchmarks and a timetable for withdrawl of troops from Iraq....Obama voted yes

Which he has proposed during his campaign.

Obama Bin Laden is a compulsive liar who doesn't have the experience needed to hold the office of the leader of the free world. This guy wasn't in the Senate even a year when he decided to run for President missing over 80% of the votes and hasn't done really anything in the Senate. Basically the tax payers are paying him to campaign which isn't fair. Anyone currently elected to an office and decides to run for President or Vice President should have to resign that position as they can not do their job to the best of their ability. We need someone in there who is activly trying to fix things and make laws, attend hearing vote on issues, not someone traveling around the country on the tax payers dime. At the very least his pay should be docked.

Also we have to pay for his Secret Service protection which is bullshit. I think any candidate that requests a Secret Service detail should have to pay for it themselves unless it is like in Senator Clintons case a former First Lady, or Vice President or someone who already had a protective detail before the race. We shouldn't have to pay for his security since he decided to run for office. God knows his campaign can afford it. Just another perfect example of Democrat's wasting taxpayers money.

Like I have said many times before, the Democratic Party is getting sold a load of crap by the worlds largest fertalizer salesman.

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If you attack the Clintons publically make sure all your friends know your not planning on commiting suicide

Democrats...so much crap it takes two Johns to hold it all.

He is a coward, period. The terrorists and the rest of our enemies are overseas licking their chops at the possibility of Obama Bin Laden or another Democrat becoming President.

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John McCain For President and Duncan Hunter for Vice President 2008!

If you attack the Clintons publically make sure all your friends know your not planning on commiting suicide

Democrats...so much crap it takes two Johns to hold it all.

Actually, there were two separate amenments to the funding bill up for a vote at the time....

He voted against this one

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c...e/2/votes/181/

voted for this one on the same day

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c...e/2/votes/182/

(the second one was the amendment supported by the dems. the first one had no support).

You really do need to read, understand and stop flailing.

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"Trust none of what you hear And less of what you see" Springsteen

When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.

Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi was the world's most unhinged lunatic. He's now dead. So that moves Ann Coulter up to first place - David Letterman

O, when she is angry she is keen and shrewd; / She was a vixen when she went to school, / And though she be but little, she is fierce. — Shakespeare

51 days left http://www.backwardsbush.com/

I don't care what any of their records on Iraq are. I want to hear their plans for turning Iraq's factional infighting over to the Iraqi gov't to handle, and disengaging our armed forces from the mess.

Just to be clear, cutting and running is NOT an option, IMO. So anyone offering that and wants MY ear needs to start with Plan B.

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That is EXACTLY what Obama plans.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)