Zogby: GOP Faces Extinction Risk

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Zogby: GOP Faces Extinction Risk

Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:48 AM

By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size

Pollster John Zogby tells Newsmax that the Republican Party could be "teetering on the brink" of extinction as it fails to appeal to the fastest-growing demographic groups in America.

He also said the GOP is not taking advantage of Democratic setbacks because it has not put forth alternative policies of its own.

Zogby is CEO of Zogby International, a market research and opinion polling firm he founded in 1984.

He wrote an op-ed piece for the July edition of Campaign and Elections' Politics magazine, headlined "An Endangered Party?" The article asked if the GOP will go the way of the Federalist Party and eventually disappear as a viable national party.

Newsmax.com - Zogby: GOP Faces Extinction Risk

John Zogby makes a great point when it comes to the Republican Party and conservatives. While more Americans lean right than do left, the Republican Party is doing nothing to address important issues, other than just saying no.

The problem is cutting taxes and saying no to government when it comes to anything and everything is not an answer to our problems, especially when it comes to issues such as healthcare and energy. Just saying no won't cut it any longer, and it especially won't cut it when it comes to the changing demographics of the electorate.

 

[Oddball]

There aren't but a handful of old school conservatives in the Republican Party....And they haven't said no to more big gummint since at least Coolidge.

Of course that "the (enter party in the minority here) is just the party of no" chestnut has been around at least since I've been paying attention.

Nothing new under the sun here.

 

[Xenophon]

Good, get rid of da bums.

 

[editec]

Not gonna happen.

The Republican Party has too much momentum, too much power and too many loyal partisans for it to just whither and die.

It will do what it has been doing for the last 150 years.

It will win some and lose some and it will, just as the Democratic party has done, evolve and change to suit its needs at the moment.

 

[Toro]

The GOP is a venerable institution and it is highly unlikely they will go away.

However, unless they are willing to expand beyond their conservative base - and they seem to be going the other way - they will be a minority party for quite some time, which is a bad thing IMHO. It is important that there are two robust parties so that one party does not control everything.

 

[jillian]

The GOP was never the "conservative movement". There was a separate conservative party and a conservative wing of the GOP. But mistaking right wing religious activists and "neo-cons" for "conservatives" is a huge part of the reason that the GOP is having problems.

And the more wingnuts usurp the party, the more problems the GOP will have.

It's not dead... everything is cyclical. But as long as the wingnuts think it's better politically to be the party of no, and offer nothing, no one benefits.

What happened to the smart repubs?

 

[editec]

The GOP was never the "conservative movement". There was a separate conservative party and a conservative wing of the GOP. But mistaking right wing religious activists and "neo-cons" for "conservatives" is a huge part of the reason that the GOP is having problems.

And the more wingnuts usurp the party, the more problems the GOP will have.

It's not dead... everything is cyclical. But as long as the wingnuts think it's better politically to be the party of no, and offer nothing, no one benefits.

What happened to the smart repubs?

Same thing as what happened to the smart Dems, Jill.

They got lost in a sea of stupid ones as the ___.N.C. leaderships pandered to the prejudices and confused thinking of the stupid in order to get their attention and their votes.

The winner of this process is the INDEPENDENTS but they are not organized, neither do these independents all agree on what needs be done.

Hence we have the case where the tail wags the dog because the dog doesn't have a single mind to stop it from happening.

 

[jillian]

Same thing as what happened to the smart Dems, Jill.

They got lost in a sea of stupid ones as the ___.N.C. leaderships pandered to the prejudices and confused thinking of the stupid in order to get their attention and their votes.

The winner of this process is the INDEPENDENTS but they are not organized, neither do these independents all agree on what needs be done.

Hence we have the case where the tail wags the dog because the dog doesn't have a single mind to stop it from happening.

I agree in part, but not in full. No question that there is a left wing of the dem party which isn't much brighter than the right wing of the repubs. I don't have a lot of use for them either. But the problems in the GOP go far deeper. There is a massive objection on the right to anyone who wants to work with the "other side" -- the whole RINO thing. I saw Lindsey Graham's frustration with it after the Sotomayor hearings. The fake and dangerous "populism"... the whole concept that anyone who disagrees with the radical right is "unamerican". You're smart, I don't need to explain it to you. You see it here every day.

 

[editec]

Same thing as what happened to the smart Dems, Jill.

They got lost in a sea of stupid ones as the ___.N.C. leaderships pandered to the prejudices and confused thinking of the stupid in order to get their attention and their votes.

The winner of this process is the INDEPENDENTS but they are not organized, neither do these independents all agree on what needs be done.

Hence we have the case where the tail wags the dog because the dog doesn't have a single mind to stop it from happening.

I agree in part, but not in full. No question that there is a left wing of the dem party which isn't much brighter than the right wing of the repubs. I don't have a lot of use for them either.

No, I wasn't talking about the DEMS left wing, Jill.

I was talking about the DEMS who claim to be moderates (and who still mouth the platitudes of the Dems) who are not moderate Dems at all. They're Republicans lite. They abandoned the working classes in favor of the well heeled who support them.

But the problems in the GOP go far deeper.

Same problem as the DEMS far as I can see. The way we support our pols assures us that both parties end up pandering to the moneyed interests at the expense of the working classes and this nation overall.

There is a massive objection on the right to anyone who wants to work with the "other side" -- the whole RINO thing.

Yeah, agree with that. The problem is that they RNC has been selling radical libertarian randianism so long that a lot of their party loyals believe that blather now.

Naturally that crap isn't going to fly, so when the RNC doesn't live up to their expectations, we read things like Pubie telling us that Bush II is a socialist!

I'd laugh if is wasn't so sad that people believe in that fairy tale world.

I saw Lindsey Graham's frustration with it after the Sotomayor hearings. The fake and dangerous "populism"... the whole concept that anyone who disagrees with the radical right is "unamerican". You're smart, I don't need to explain it to you. You see it here every day.

If I'm so smart why ain't I rich?

What we see here on this board doesn't, I think represent the average Republican voter, who is, usually, a fairly realistic player.

What we see here on this board are armchair generals, economists, and social thinkers, mostly on the far far far right.

Trolls who mostly post insane nonsense just to evoke a like reponse from what they imagine are far lefites.

 

[Dr Grump]

What he said...

 

[jvn]

Question:

Are there more conservative Republicans in the Senate or "Blue Dog" Democrats?

 

[editec]

Question:

Are there more conservative Republicans in the Senate or "Blue Dog" Democrats?

Those labels don't really mean a god damned thing.

Seriously, they don't.

 

[Annie]

Zogby: GOP Faces Extinction Risk

Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:48 AM

By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size

Pollster John Zogby tells Newsmax that the Republican Party could be "teetering on the brink" of extinction as it fails to appeal to the fastest-growing demographic groups in America.

He also said the GOP is not taking advantage of Democratic setbacks because it has not put forth alternative policies of its own.

Zogby is CEO of Zogby International, a market research and opinion polling firm he founded in 1984.

He wrote an op-ed piece for the July edition of Campaign and Elections' Politics magazine, headlined "An Endangered Party?" The article asked if the GOP will go the way of the Federalist Party and eventually disappear as a viable national party.

Newsmax.com - Zogby: GOP Faces Extinction Risk

John Zogby makes a great point when it comes to the Republican Party and conservatives. While more Americans lean right than do left, the Republican Party is doing nothing to address important issues, other than just saying no.

The problem is cutting taxes and saying no to government when it comes to anything and everything is not an answer to our problems, especially when it comes to issues such as healthcare and energy. Just saying no won't cut it any longer, and it especially won't cut it when it comes to the changing demographics of the electorate.

Zogby didn't make the Top 20 pollsters in the last election. Could that be a problem in agenda driven polling?

 

[jillian]

Same thing as what happened to the smart Dems, Jill.

They got lost in a sea of stupid ones as the ___.N.C. leaderships pandered to the prejudices and confused thinking of the stupid in order to get their attention and their votes.

The winner of this process is the INDEPENDENTS but they are not organized, neither do these independents all agree on what needs be done.

Hence we have the case where the tail wags the dog because the dog doesn't have a single mind to stop it from happening.

Independents? or Libertarians? The problem is, that group is a conglomeration of different interests who share only one thing... no stated fealty to either party.

No, I wasn't talking about the DEMS left wing, Jill.

I was talking about the DEMS who claim to be moderates (and who still mouth the platitudes of the Dems) who are not moderate Dems at all. They're Republicans lite. They abandoned the working classes in favor of the well heeled who support them.

No. They're not moderates. They're conservatives. I wasn't talking about them because I don't think they are the problem in the democratic party. they might be one day, but only if the far left of the party doesn't get itself together.

Same problem as the DEMS far as I can see. The way we support our pols assures us that both parties end up pandering to the moneyed interests at the expense of the working classes and this nation overall.

I don't disagree, but campaigns are expensive because advertising and literature are expensive. Any suggestions?

Yeah, agree with that. The problem is that they RNC has been selling radical libertarian randianism so long that a lot of their party loyals believe that blather now.

I know... not to mention this who fallacy about the constitution that those same radicals buy into.

Naturally that crap isn't going to fly, so when the RNC doesn't live up to their expectations, we read things like Pubie telling us that Bush II is a socialist!

Or someone running for the vice presidency talking about "pro america parts of the country".

I'd laugh if is wasn't so sad that people believe in that fairy tale world.

I hear ya.

If I'm so smart why ain't I rich?

heh... the two don't always correlate.

What we see here on this board doesn't, I think represent the average Republican voter, who is, usually, a fairly realistic player.

What we see here on this board are armchair generals, economists, and social thinkers, mostly on the far far far right.

Trolls who mostly post insane nonsense just to evoke a like reponse from what they imagine are far lefites.

I agree with most of what you wrote. But is the average republican still a fairly realistic player or are they sucked into the fallacies of the wingnuts?

 

[jvn]

Question:

Are there more conservative Republicans in the Senate or "Blue Dog" Democrats?

Those labels don't really mean a god damned thing.

Seriously, they don't.

When we're talking about the future viability of the Republican Party they do.

If the Democrats continue to grow their numbers of moderates, conservatives even, the GOP faces losses from both sides of their political spectrum. The growing population groups could continue to find a home in the Democratic Party while the GOP continues to pander to a shrinking white Southern base...

 

[Annie]

Question:

Are there more conservative Republicans in the Senate or "Blue Dog" Democrats?

Those labels don't really mean a god damned thing.

Seriously, they don't.

When we're talking about the future viability of the Republican Party they do.

If the Democrats continue to grow their numbers of moderates, conservatives even, the GOP faces losses from both sides of their political spectrum. The growing population groups could continue to find a home in the Democratic Party while the GOP continues to pander to a shrinking white Southern base...

That might be true if it were happening, Washington Post poll though gives lie to the premise.

 

[GHook93]

(1) Is Zogby stating that we are going to the one party system? Since the Libertarians and the Green Party and all the 3rd parties didn't even get 1/2 of a percent of the popular vote, without the Republicans we have only the Democrats. Amazing the stupidity.

(2) Does Zogby not realize that the same thing was stated about the Democrats AFTER Carter! Trends change and so do alliances!

(3) Does Zogby not realize that one bad leader like W can sink a party for years? If its not Obama another Democratic President could.

(4) Does Zogby not realize that eventually this Bush recession will become Obama's recession? If he doesn't true it around, then he will get the blame. Plain and simple!

 

[Oddball]

The GOP is a venerable institution and it is highly unlikely they will go away.

However, unless they are willing to expand beyond their conservative base - and they seem to be going the other way - they will be a minority party for quite some time, which is a bad thing IMHO. It is important that there are two robust parties so that one party does not control everything.

Expand beyond their conservative base?!?!?!?!???....You can't be serious.

The last election, the GOP nominated exactly the kind of squishy, appeasing, woibbly-kneed "moderate" all the supposed conventional wisdom claims that they need to run in order to win, and he got his ass kicked.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

There aren't but a handful of old school conservatives in the Republican Party....And they haven't said no to more big gummint since at least Coolidge.

Of course that "the (enter party in the minority here) is just the party of no" chestnut has been around at least since I've been paying attention.

Nothing new under the sun here.

DIdn't the republicans use the "Party of No" Bit until 2006 against the dems?

I think they did

 

[editec]

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I don't disagree, but campaigns are expensive because advertising and literature are expensive. Any suggestions?

Yup, Free air time (or cable time, or any medium that sends a signal to X number of American homes) and extreme limits on campaign contributions, including an a per capital limit on contributions, and no contributions from corporations or unions.

Both probably unconsitutional.

Apparently the Supreme court really does think that free speech is a political suicide pact since they've equated money with free speech, and air time to the public as private property that owes the commonweal nothing in return for having a nation to send their signals to.

I agree with most of what you wrote. But is the average republican still a fairly realistic player or are they sucked into the fallacies of the wingnuts?

I'm not sure the average Republic is a Republican anymore.

I suspect so many average Reps have left the party that all that's left are dupes and obsequious toadies seeking favor with the powerful..

Most people I know don't vote FOR parties, anymore, Jill.

They vote against the party they think is the most repugnant to their lifestyles.