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José;632809 said:Totally comparable.
In my book, there is no difference between jews fleeing a warzone involving the Roman army and jewish zealots and palestinians leaving a warzone involving zionists and the surrounding arab countries.
And your ignorance about the palestinian national identity is abysmal.
The palestinian people DO NOT want to become egyptians, syrians and jordanians.
They want the world to recognise their right to live in their ancient land.
They will fight to the last man against any arab country that tries to assimilate them and destroy their national identity.
Originally posted by Foxfyre
They could live peacefully with Israel now if they would acknowledge Israel's right to exist, would cease hostilities against Israel and denounce terrorist tactics, and would choose to be good neighbors and friends.
José;632814 said:Listen dude...
Don't take this the wrong way, but you, together with AllieBaba belong to a group of people I call the "what the hell is a palestinian refugee" crowd.
People who are completely clueless on this issue.
I'm preparing a megathread on this issue that will explain all the details of this century old conflict.
I still haven't made up my mind on the title of the thread but it will be either "The Clash of the Titans" or "Palestine for dummies".
Check out the Israel/Palestine section of the board every now and then and you won't be disapointed.
.Originally posted by Shogun
I would reply to you Dr. Gump but it seems that some users won't accept a mod debating aggressively. I guess we've finally figured out how to put a cap on this topic once and for all.If it becomes necessary to shed my status I'll offer to finish this discussion with you.
Lord knows that if it is filled with EVIDENCE which is posted WITH LINKS to unbiased sources it will fall short of what you hope to see.
Funny, I don't recall a single post by foxfyre that addressed, debated or mentioned any one of the numerous posted links I've provided within the last week... but, everyone seems to be the rhetorical expert
José;632810 said:Jesus Christ!!!!
Scooter has to pay me to do this job.
I feel like Kathianne teaching the basics of the Israeli/Palestinian issue to a bunch of little children who can't even find Palestine on a map of the Middle East : )
Given you know nothing about the conflict that isn't propaganda or show the slightest understanding of the complexities of the reality, well... I doubt anyone's going to pay you.... well maybe in Gaza they might like you.
Again, what happens to the Jews in your little Hamas paradise?
Originally posted by jillian
Or you could call the thread Virulent Anti-Israel Propaganda and Lies,
You do know your essential premise that the Jews made the palestinians leave is a lie, right?
Still curious about what should happen to the Jews in your Hamas Utopia? Do they get subjugated? deported? killed?
We're all waiting for your words of wisdom. Again, I'm not overly interested in the genesis of these issues from the year gimmel. I'm more curious as to how you resolve it, other than handing over Israel to the Palestinians.
Would be nice to get an answer instead of your usual strawman-filled propagandic rant.
I'm also kind of curious as to why you're so vested in this issue. It sure isn't your essential fairness and desire to do good.
José;632875 said:Jillian
Did you know my mother language has a verb that makes reference to the historic persecution and suffering of the jewish people?
Its called JUDIAR.
Judiar means to jew someone, to mistreat someone, to treat someone bad.
Example:
Pare de judiar de minha irmã.
Translation:
Stop jewing my sister.
Stop treating my sister bad.
Stop treating my sister like a jew.
This verb was created in Portugal during the Inquisition when the jews were being persecuted and forced to abandon their faith or leave the country and sometimes even face death.
The mistreatment your people suffered during the ages was so real that it even entered the Portuguese language!!!!
And it is not a literary verb it is used in everyday conversation.
This verb do not exist in Spanish, which is amazing since the two languages are so similar to each other as well as the history of persecution in both countries.
Dont tell me I am insentive to the suffering of the jewish people.
The language I learned from my mother brings in it a reminder of all the things your people went through.
And everytime I speak, hear, write or read the verb JUDIAR I am reminded of a people who was persecuted by the simple fact they worship God in a different way.
So dont tell me I dont care for the jewish people.
The reasons behind the creation of the state of Israel were noble and continue to be valid today as they were in 48:
A safe haven for a persecuted people.
But the establishment of a jewish supremacist state in Palestine that keeps the palestinian people herded in Gaza and the West Bank against their will is not the correct, moral way to achieve this goal.
Lets try another type of political configuration, for example, an international protectorate where the security of both peoples will be guaranteed by the international community.
This is clearly a morally superior solution for the Israeli/Palestinian issue than the jewish racial dictatorship will ever be.
The jews keep half of the total land in dispute in Palisrael. They split Jerusalem and don't get to canaanize temple mount. If the jews can't put as much effort into healing palestine due to the sever fucking gash that has been the last 50 years as the WEST has invested in israel then they are no better than the same iran they bitch about left and right.
It's fucking wierd how black panther political attcks pretty much stopped after blacks stopped being disenfranchised from the United States, eh? What a fucking mind blower to imagine how investing in palestine would remove the kassam rockets. But, I guess to some removing the rockets will also remove the blank check policies, eh? And who wants that when pal life is so cheap, right? What was it you said?
Fuck em?
Indeed, your concern over non-jewish humanity is astounding, jill. Purely fucking brilliant.
Why don't you tell me what kind of an evil terrorist was Nelson Mandellah, Jill. Or, why don't you ignore that challenge today like you did the last two times I brought up the south african example.
prepare to wear the label, jose.
I love this:
And it is not a generalisation if it is true.
I just wonder.. whyis it OK to generalize muslims... but jews? How many times do you think David Duke ever made that same statement?
I would reply to you Dr. Gump but it seems that some users won't accept a mod debating aggressively. I guess we've finally figured out how to put a cap on this topic once and for all.If it becomes necessary to shed my status I'll offer to finish this discussion with you.
The jews keep half of the total land in dispute in Palisrael. They split Jerusalem and don't get to canaanize temple mount. If the jews can't put as much effort into healing palestine due to the sever fucking gash that has been the last 50 years as the WEST has invested in israel then they are no better than the same iran they bitch about left and right.
It's fucking wierd how black panther political attcks pretty much stopped after blacks stopped being disenfranchised from the United States, eh? What a fucking mind blower to imagine how investing in palestine would remove the kassam rockets. But, I guess to some removing the rockets will also remove the blank check policies, eh? And who wants that when pal life is so cheap, right? What was it you said?
Fuck em?
Indeed, your concern over non-jewish humanity is astounding, jill. Purely fucking brilliant.
Why don't you tell me what kind of an evil terrorist was Nelson Mandellah, Jill. Or, why don't you ignore that challenge today like you did the last two times I brought up the south african example.
It is not a generalisation if it is true. You fail to address the point re the banks of the River Jordan.
You can debate as aggressively as you like. I do not have a problem with it.