Zimmerman’s own account will convict him

[Ariux]

But what you don't understand is the jurors are triers of FACTS. The prosecution's burden is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman killed Martin.

The trial is NOT about who killed that Afro. It's about whether Zimmerman acted with a depraved mind, with no regard for human life, and assaulted that Afro.

In an affirmative defense, the defendant also has a burden to prove additional facts to the standard of clear and convincing evidence that the action was justified.

The Defense doesn't have to prove anything. They simply have to use affirmative argument to undermine the Prosecution's case. Remember, shithead, the Prosecution has to prove Zimmerman has no regard for human life and that he assaulted the Afro.

The prosecution will have no burden to show Zimmerman's actions were not justified. The defense will have the burden to show that they were justified.

Damn, you're dense. The Defense does NOT need to prove that Zimmerman's actions were justified. The Defense only needs to cast doubt on the Prosecution's claim that... oh, that Zimmerman has no regard for human life or that he assaulted that Afro.

I'm Puerto Rican-American. If you think I'm racist against Zimmerman, you're way off.

It's completely normal for dumb people who hold contradictory positions, especially when they formed opinions in the first place under faulty information. I.e. you think Zimmerman is guilty because he's white, even though you now know he's a Jew-Hispanic.

 

[bobgnote]

Second Degree Murder - Law Firm Arnold Law Firm, LLC Attorneys Jacksonville, Florida

Second degree murder cases often involve a death that allegedly occurred because of a heat of passion or act that was so dangerous is warrants a criminal action be brought against the Defendant. The classic example is the spouse who finds their partner having an affair with another person and immediately acts to kill either the partner or the partner's lover.

In order to convict a defendant in Florida of Second-degree murder, the State of Florida must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
The victim is dead;
The death was caused by the criminal act of the defendant;
There was an unlawful killing of the victim by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life.

Understanding a second degree murder can be more confusing than the more serious first degree murder. The "criminal act" reference in the statute must be a single event or series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose of committing the murder or creating the dangerous condition that led to the death. Although second-degree murder can carry a potential incarceration of up to life in prison, the death penalty cannot be imposed on a person found guilty of second-degree murder.

Whether a Defendant's actions could have been reasonably foreseen as endangering a human life to the point of warranting a prosecution is a question for the jury and where a skilled defense lawyer can be most helpful. Examples may include the negligent supervision of a child or of the elderly by an adult, or other reckless behavior that led to the death of another person.

Unlike in a first degree or felony murder prosecution, a grand jury does not need to indict the defendant before a prosecution may begin. Second degree murders often are decided on the "common sense" of the jury. Whether a person's actions amount to the requisite intent or recklessness to warrant conviction is often left up to the jury's determination.

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"The State of Florida must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:"

1. The victim is dead; (GZ played one shot, one kill.)
2. The death was caused by the criminal act of the defendant; (GZ planned to use a gun.)
3. There was an unlawful killing of the victim by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life. (GZ went out of his way, to contact Martin, when advised not to, failed to identify himself, twice, failed to defuse the situation, shot one round, to kill, rather than wound or warn Martin, proving intent to use his gun, to commit a crime, which was murder. See also posts, by Payperview, re GZ interview, which busts lying bitch, GZ, who also claimed Martin jumped out of bushes, where no bushes were, except for GW and his daddy, I guess. Before the witnesses take the stand, GZ better cop.)

Are you having trouble THINKING, Fairysux? Do you know, you are just proving your own dementia, to a degree, which suggests the gene pool of the white race has completely failed?

 

[Ariux]

There was an unlawful killing of the victim by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life. (GZ went out of his way, to contact Martin, when advised not to, failed to identify himself, twice, failed to defuse the situation, shot one round, to kill, rather than wound or warn Martin, proving intent to use his gun, to commit a crime, which was murder. See also posts, by Payperview, re GZ interview, which busts lying bitch, GZ, who also claimed Martin jumped out of bushes, where no bushes were, except for GW and his daddy, I guess. Before the witnesses take the stand, GZ better cop.)

Are you having trouble THINKING, Fairysux? Do you know, you are just proving your own dementia, to a degree, which suggests the gene pool of the white race has completely failed?

Bob, do your friends call you Shithead? What's the point of self-defense laws if people who "fail to defuse the situation" can't claim self-defense?

Why do you think "one shot" proves intent to kill, rather than wound? Wouldn't someone wanting to kill fire a few shots? Sorry, my fault for asking, you're a shithead.

Where do you get as a fact that Zimmerman "contacted" the Afro, rather than the other way around? This is a rhetorical question, because you're a shithead.

Zimmerman didn't commit murder. Zimmerman committed a public service.

 

[Peach]

By the time Dee Dee the dispatcher says, "We don't need you to do that," George is like a dog, off-leash. By the time Martin walks past Zimmernan's vehicle, and Zimmerman follows, likely with a round, chambered, Zimmerman is in trouble. But since the witnesses offer various accounts, which don't support the George version, and one shot killed Martin, instead of wounding him, George had better explain, really well, why he is described as sitting on Martin, who bled out.

Sociopaths for George, murder-2 will turn in. The Feds are watching, so no shenanigans will issue.

Shooting & killing an unarmed teenager, with no criminal record, carrying ice tea & Skittles is not the act of an angel.

 

[Ariux]

Shooting & killing an unarmed teenager, with no criminal record, carrying ice tea & Skittles is not the act of an angel.

Everytime someone brings up the Skittles, I'm reminded: Travyon is so stupid that he brought Skittles to a gun fight.

 

[tinydancer]

There's absolutely no evidence that he continued to follow Trayvon after the operator told him there was no need to do that.

All the analysis I have read confirm that his heavy breathing stops and he returns to talking to the operator in a calm manner.

 

[tinydancer]

ZIMMERMAN’S OWN ACCOUNT WILL CONVICT HIM

The more Zimmerman talks the more inconsistencies there are. He said himself “to be honest with you, I have a bad memory”... This is an excuse typical of a psychotic sociopath when the cannot keep up with his lies.

Zimmerman was being asked to remember fine detail of a traumatic event.... If he has trouble doing that, you're going to mock him. Fuck you, you're just making yourself look pathetic, shithead. He's doing a pretty good job. You're doing a horrible job.

Zimmerman stalked what he thought was someone he thought he could beat. When he got his ass kicked he shot an unarmed kid and killed him. That is exactly what happened. He is a liar...him and his girlfriend and I hope he foes away forever.

Where do you dream this shit up?

 

[paperview]

Actually, I expect the state to introduce it themselves. It helps to further highlight how his story does not make sense.

Zimmerman's defense hopes the prosecution agrees with you. They want this tape in because it let's George tell his story without being cross examined. His lawyers can later explain the inconsistencies a lot better than he would be able to.

Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is a very high standard to meet. Jurors will need to see a lot more than what we've seen so far to convict. I'd like to hear, specifically, what evidence people think is strong enough to convict.

No. The state can keep out Z's prior tapes and statements. That actually would be to prosections advantage.

Because then, Z will have to take the stand, to explain his affirmative defense. That opens him up to cross, and then, it's allllllllllll downhill from there.

Zimmerman's greatest enemy is his own mouth

 

[tinydancer]

Actually, I expect the state to introduce it themselves. It helps to further highlight how his story does not make sense.

Zimmerman's defense hopes the prosecution agrees with you. They want this tape in because it let's George tell his story without being cross examined. His lawyers can later explain the inconsistencies a lot better than he would be able to.

Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is a very high standard to meet. Jurors will need to see a lot more than what we've seen so far to convict. I'd like to hear, specifically, what evidence people think is strong enough to convict.

No. The state can keep out Z's prior tapes and statements. That actually would be to prosections advantage.

Because then, Z will have to take the stand, to explain his affirmative defense. That opens him up to cross, and then, it's allllllllllll downhill from there.

Zimmerman's greatest enemy is his own mouth

From what I have read second degree requires that the prosecution must prove that Zimmerman "acted with a depraved mind". That the onus is on the prosecution entirely.

Second-degree murder charge may be hard to prove in Trayvon Martin case

Legal experts say prosecutors will have a hard time proving that George Zimmerman, who shot Trayvon Martin, was acting with a “depraved mind,” the standard for second-degree murder.

By Scott Hiaasen and David Ovalle
[email protected]

Special prosecutor Angela Corey likely has an uphill climb to prove that George Zimmerman acted with the malicious intent required to convict him of second-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, legal experts say.


Read more here: Second-degree murder charge may be hard to prove in Trayvon Martin case - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

 

[paperview]

Your article is nearly 2 months old.

A lot has come out since then.

For a long time, I thought it was only manslaughter, now I'm convinced: it was murder.

 

[Ariux]

There's absolutely no evidence that he continued to follow Trayvon after the operator told him there was no need to do that.

All the analysis I have read confirm that his heavy breathing stops and he returns to talking to the operator in a calm manner.

Not only is there no evidence that Zimmerman continued to follow after he said okay to not needing to do that, but moments later, while still on the phone, he says he lost the Afro. Proof that he stopped following.

On the other hand, I suspect Zimmerman returned to looking for the Afro shit after he got off the phone, and that's why he was outside his car to be attacked. Therefor, I suspect Zimmerman lied about why he was out of his truck when he was attacked, but it doesn't matter.

Only someone with shit for brains would doubt that Zimmerman shot in self-defense. It's grossly irrational to think that fat Zimmerman, alone at night, would have chosen to confront a black-hooded Afro thug, several inches taller than himself and who may have been armed, especially considering that Zimmerman chose to let police handle it. And, the time line proves that Trayvon doubled back, to confront Zimmerman, rather than leaving the area. Oh, and there's that one-sided beatdown.

Afros are a race of shit, incompatible with civilization. Trayvon proved it. Then the Afro community lined up behind Trayvon to prove it. Afros prove it every day.

 

[Contumacious]

In an affirmative defense, the defendant also has a burden to prove additional facts to the standard of clear and convincing evidence that the action was justified. .

Even though the Judge and prosecutor have bent backwards to railroad GZ the fact of the matter is that

the case against him is weak as water.​

.

 

[paulitician]

Why do so many get so hysterical over this? Do they know any of these people personally? Why do they care so much about this? Many many Citizens are brutally murdered everyday. And many of these brutal murders are perpetrated by African Americans against various different races. Why no hysterical freaking out over those murders? This stuff gets to be so bizarre after awhile. If you're still freaking out over this, you need to go aquire some serious help. You're pretty messed up.

 

[Katzndogz]

It doesn't matter that the prosecution's case is weak. Zimmerman will be railroaded as a lesson to other non blacks that they shouldn't fight back when getting their heads bashed in. Who knows, they might live through it and resume a normal life, if they aren't killed.

 

[FA_Q2]

Second Degree Murder - Law Firm Arnold Law Firm, LLC Attorneys Jacksonville, Florida

Second degree murder cases often involve a death that allegedly occurred because of a heat of passion or act that was so dangerous is warrants a criminal action be brought against the Defendant. The classic example is the spouse who finds their partner having an affair with another person and immediately acts to kill either the partner or the partner's lover.

In order to convict a defendant in Florida of Second-degree murder, the State of Florida must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
The victim is dead;
The death was caused by the criminal act of the defendant;
There was an unlawful killing of the victim by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life.

Understanding a second degree murder can be more confusing than the more serious first degree murder. The "criminal act" reference in the statute must be a single event or series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose of committing the murder or creating the dangerous condition that led to the death. Although second-degree murder can carry a potential incarceration of up to life in prison, the death penalty cannot be imposed on a person found guilty of second-degree murder.

Whether a Defendant's actions could have been reasonably foreseen as endangering a human life to the point of warranting a prosecution is a question for the jury and where a skilled defense lawyer can be most helpful. Examples may include the negligent supervision of a child or of the elderly by an adult, or other reckless behavior that led to the death of another person.

Unlike in a first degree or felony murder prosecution, a grand jury does not need to indict the defendant before a prosecution may begin. Second degree murders often are decided on the "common sense" of the jury. Whether a person's actions amount to the requisite intent or recklessness to warrant conviction is often left up to the jury's determination.

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"The State of Florida must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:"

1. The victim is dead; (GZ played one shot, one kill.)
2. The death was caused by the criminal act of the defendant; (GZ planned to use a gun.)
3. There was an unlawful killing of the victim by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life. (GZ went out of his way, to contact Martin, when advised not to, failed to identify himself, twice, failed to defuse the situation, shot one round, to kill, rather than wound or warn Martin, proving intent to use his gun, to commit a crime, which was murder. See also posts, by Payperview, re GZ interview, which busts lying bitch, GZ, who also claimed Martin jumped out of bushes, where no bushes were, except for GW and his daddy, I guess. Before the witnesses take the stand, GZ better cop.)

Are you having trouble THINKING, Fairysux? Do you know, you are just proving your own dementia, to a degree, which suggests the gene pool of the white race has completely failed?

The bolded part is bullshit. There is no 'shooting to wound' outside of Hollywood movies. You can be shot anywhere and die. The intent is to stop the hostile threat, one that is achieved through killing it. There are also no warning shots. If you pull a gun, you EXPECT your target to die. They might not, but you are not expecting such to happen.

 

[paperview]

There's absolutely no evidence that he continued to follow Trayvon after the operator told him there was no need to do that.

All the analysis I have read confirm that his heavy breathing stops and he returns to talking to the operator in a calm manner.

He followed Trayvon. He did not return to his car.

Also, puzzle me this. George talks about tapping his tactical flashlight at around the T - he had it out.

He tells the officer, in his first rendition, he was cold cocked by TM right up around the T, and went right down.

He later tells (when he realizes he has to make some adjustments to that story) investigators, he pushed him away, or he "stumbled" and next thing TM is on top of him.

Sooo...some 50 feet of this "stumbling" has to occur - or they are rolling around that distance - cause TM's body was quite a bit away from that cold cocking.

Now (here's where it gets good...) what we would have to believe, is that whole time he was knocked down, rumbling, rolling, being pummeled...he's still holding his flashlight that had been in his hand.

THIS is where it was found:

Evidence list:

[Credit to: The Crime Scene Evidence Trail - (1) The State's Evidence for the pictures]

Two options: The above scenario (George holding his flashlight the whole time)

or GZ following him.

Pick one.

 

[bobgnote]

You don't have any friends, who don't suck, do you.

There was an unlawful killing of the victim by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life. (GZ went out of his way, to contact Martin, when advised not to, failed to identify himself, twice, failed to defuse the situation, shot one round, to kill, rather than wound or warn Martin, proving intent to use his gun, to commit a crime, which was murder. See also posts, by Paperview, re GZ interview, which busts lying bitch, GZ, who also claimed Martin jumped out of bushes, where no bushes were, except for GW and his daddy, I guess. Before the witnesses take the stand, GZ better cop.)

Are you having trouble THINKING, Fairysux? Do you know, you are just proving your own dementia, to a degree, which suggests the gene pool of the white race has completely failed?

Bob, do your friends call you Shithead? What's the point of self-defense laws if people who "fail to defuse the situation" can't claim self-defense? (1)

Why do you think "one shot" proves intent to kill, rather than wound? Wouldn't (2) someone wanting to kill fire a few shots? Sorry, my fault for asking, you're a shithead.

Where do you get as a fact that Zimmerman "contacted" the Afro, rather than the other way around? This is a rhetorical question, because you're a shithead. (3)

Zimmerman didn't commit murder. Zimmerman committed a public service.

1. People who volunteer to be watchcaptain have a duty of care, until they fuck up, which GZ did, you queer piece of white-trash shit (see GZ interview);
2. Since you are some kind of queer, your punk-logic is bitch-on-parade stupid, so you ignored, despite your own admission of GZ's affirmative defense, one fatal shot, where GZ sat on Martin, as he bled out (witnessed) suggests intent, to kill, more than one shot to wound suggests, you cock-sucking retard;
3. The Martin phone-call to his girlfriend suggests GZ approached, while Martin was on the phone, but GZ later claimed, Martin jumped out of bushes, which weren't evident;
4. GZ did murder-2, you retarded, racist cock-sucker, which may later affect the rights of many people, who deserve to carry firearms.

If you don't mind, retard, quit making a case, how the white gene-pool is fucked up.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...e-zimmermans-bloody-head-229.html#post5552713

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...e-zimmermans-bloody-head-229.html#post5552717

Paperview ran off on this, since Paperview posted parts of the GZ interview in the above posts, so Paperview is excused, from your rants, but if you can read, you retarded queer, take a look at the excerpts, from GZ-weazy, getting grilled, about his gaps.

 

[Inthemiddle]

There's absolutely no evidence that he continued to follow Trayvon after the operator told him there was no need to do that.

Except for the fact that, ya know, the fact that Zimmerman and Martin met where they did would be impossible if he hadn't continued to follow Martin.

 

[Inthemiddle]

the case against him is weak as water

Guess you've never been hit in the face with an ice ball.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

ZIMMERMAN’S OWN ACCOUNT WILL CONVICT HIM

The more Zimmerman talks the more inconsistencies there are. He said himself “to be honest with you, I have a bad memory” (Attention Deficit disorder?) How can anything he say be credible? This is an excuse typical of a psychotic sociopath when the cannot keep up with his lies.
"jumped out from the bushes" and punched him in the face, knocking him down..
there are no bushes near the side walk where the struggle went down in the video.
Could the cuts on the back of his head come from his falling and not from having his head bashed into the side walk? His injuries the day after the incident is not consistent with the injuries seen in the video the day of the incident. Injuries not consistent with one’s head being bashed into concrete. Two small cuts, no abrasions or concussion consistent with almost passing out.
After the shooting, Zimmerman said the turned Trayvon over and got on his back?
His account do not jive with the 9-11 call or evidence seen and heard. A good prosecutor will tear his account apart. Just let him talk and he will convict himself. A typical behavior of a psychotic sociopath is lying inconsistent with the beliefs they are smarter than others. Trayvon could not possible have done all the things he said he did prior to the shooting and immediately after.
Where is the witness that Zimmerman said open a door and come out seconds prior to the shooting and must have seen the moment leading up to the shooting and after. There do not appear to be any doors opening in the back between the apartments.

Trayvon saw his gun and reached for it but Zimmerman got it first? If Zimmerman had the gun and Travon saw it he would have backed off and Zimmerman would not have had to shoot him. I do not believe Trayvon ever saw a gun before he was shot. Zimmerman had to had unstrap the holster before removing gun and if Trayvon had saw it he may have stopped him and no one would have got the gun.

Your personal desire to condemn and convict Mr Zimmerman without having access to the evidence that will be presented in the case, by all sides, is stunning in what it reveals about you as an individual.

Your assumptions about people's actions under stress is about as ignorant as it could get. You have about as much understanding of human nature as a dead piece of wood does. But I have a serious question for you. Serious and simple:

What is it you personally get out from injecting yourself so deeply into a public tragedy like this?