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Why are Oathkeepers listed as a hate group by SPLC?

Matthew Fairfield, a suburban Cleveland man who has been sitting in jail since April in lieu of $1 million bail as he awaits trial on 54 criminal counts related to his alleged storing of a live napalm bomb at his suburban Cleveland, Ohio, home, as well as keeping explosives at a friend’s home in Cleveland. A judge this week ruled that Fairfield, 30, is competent to stand trial. He is the president of a local Oath Keepers chapter, according to a prosecutor.

Fairfield was arrested after police found a napalm bomb and another explosive device above the garage at his house in the city of North Olmsted. They also confiscated two assault rifles and several other firearms from the Cleveland home. Fairfield was convicted and sentenced to two years of probation in February for carrying concealed weapons, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

He is but the latest Oath Keeper to run afoul of the law. Early last month, a Georgia Oath Keeper was busted for allegedly plotting to take control of a Madisonville, Tenn., courthouse and place two dozen federal, state and local officials under citizen’s arrest.

Yet another self-described Oath Keeper, Charles Dyer, was arrested in January for the alleged rape and forcible sodomy of a 7-year-old child, and for possessing a grenade launcher that had been stolen from a California military base in 2006. A jury recently acquitted Dyer of the federal weapons charge, but the sexual abuse charges are still pending.

Before his arrest, Dyer appeared in YouTube videos complaining about an overreaching government and an imminent takeover by the socialistic “New World Order.” Rhodes, the Oath Keepers founder whose website likewise suggests that a military takeover of the United States is imminent, said Dyer was never a dues-paying member, adding that it wasn’t practical for him to contact everybody who portrays himself as an Oath Keeper. But, in fact, Dyer spoke on behalf of Oath Keepers at a “tea party” event in Oklahoma on July 4 last year.


Man With Napalm Bomb is Latest Oath Keeper to Face Trial | Hatewatch | Southern Poverty Law Center
 
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Sky, can you please provide the Ugandan legislation that was never passed and exactly what the law was that specifically being proposed?

You brought up the Ugandan legislation? Please cite it and explain it.
 
Sky, can you please provide the Ugandan legislation that was never passed and exactly what the law was that specifically being proposed?



The bill, introduced by parliamentary member David Bahati and strongly influenced by US Evangelicals, previously called for the death penalty for "any form of sexual relations between persons of the same sex", now makes it punishable of up to life imprisonment. However, in the case of "serial offenders" and HIV positive individuals the death penalty still stands. Other features of the bill include extraterritorial jurisdiction to punish gay Ugandans living out of state and up to three years imprisonment for anyone who won't report homosexual behaviour.

Mostly, US coverage of the proposed legislation would have you believe that the outcry for justice for the Ugandans is coming from international condemnation against bigoted Ugandans. Julius Kaggwa, an activist from the Uganda Civil Society on Human Rights and Constitutional Law, says that even though the bill is the effect of Conservative American religious leaders playing on existent homophobia in the country, Ugandan opposition to the bill is at all time high. His 26 organization coalition including religious groups is at the forefront of the fight against this proposed human rights violation and is reaching out to the international community to bolster support to condemn the bill. As part of those efforts, he testified before the nonpartisan Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission on Jan 21st. Here are ten ways to oppose this legislation and stand up for human rights wherever you are.

The Nation: Fight Uganda's Anti-Gay Bill At Home : NPR
 

More to the point is WHY the SPLC lists them as a hate group. Check it out. This is why SPLC listed We Are Change, WAC, as a hate group:

We Are Change, LA chief, Bruno Ernst Bruhwiler was charged with four criminal counts related to making threats, according to the Los Angeles Superior Court’s website. Three of the counts were for making threats (Rudkowski says that Bruhwiler was charged with making “terroristic” threats), including against an “executive officer” (apparently a law enforcement or court official) carrying out his duties. The fourth count is for “willful disobedience” of a court order.

Bruhwiler, it turns out, is part of the extreme-right “sovereign citizens” movement — people who believe that the government has no authority to impose laws and regulations on most Americans. He has engaged in some of the practices preached by “redemption” scammers, most of whom are seeking to wrest millions of dollars from the government for their personal use. He has allegedly harassed former co-workers with “sovereign” letters demanding money. And he is a member of the Oath Keepers, a conspiracy-oriented Patriot group. All in all, it seems clear that Bruhwiler, despite Ludkowski’s claims of running a relatively moderate group, is part and parcel of the most radical wing of the Patriot movement.
Charges Against We Are Change Leader Belie Group’s Pacifist Image | Hatewatch | Southern Poverty Law Center

Why would any sane problem have a problem with Oath Keepers? Did you have a problem when the Egyptian Army announced they would not fire on the protestors? How is swearing never to use the power of your office in a way that does not uphold the Constitution of the United States of America make one a terrorist?

By the way, I did not notice the SPLC listing ACORN as a hate group when they were proven to be doing things that are illegal, did you? Why list an entire group as a hate group simply because one person is charged with something? Did people suddenly loose their right to a trial without me getting the memo?

Sky's not sane.
 
Sky, can you please provide the Ugandan legislation that was never passed and exactly what the law was that specifically being proposed?



The bill, introduced by parliamentary member David Bahati and strongly influenced by US Evangelicals, previously called for the death penalty for "any form of sexual relations between persons of the same sex", now makes it punishable of up to life imprisonment. However, in the case of "serial offenders" and HIV positive individuals the death penalty still stands. Other features of the bill include extraterritorial jurisdiction to punish gay Ugandans living out of state and up to three years imprisonment for anyone who won't report homosexual behaviour.

Mostly, US coverage of the proposed legislation would have you believe that the outcry for justice for the Ugandans is coming from international condemnation against bigoted Ugandans. Julius Kaggwa, an activist from the Uganda Civil Society on Human Rights and Constitutional Law, says that even though the bill is the effect of Conservative American religious leaders playing on existent homophobia in the country, Ugandan opposition to the bill is at all time high. His 26 organization coalition including religious groups is at the forefront of the fight against this proposed human rights violation and is reaching out to the international community to bolster support to condemn the bill. As part of those efforts, he testified before the nonpartisan Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission on Jan 21st. Here are ten ways to oppose this legislation and stand up for human rights wherever you are.

The Nation: Fight Uganda's Anti-Gay Bill At Home : NPR

This is claptrap. This wacko is a tribal POS who has had LIMITED "evangelical" influence. His proposals hearken back to TRIBAL practices, not Christian ones, and this group is nothing more than another tribal nightmare.

Sky's just spreading lies, like she always does.
 
Sky, can you please provide the Ugandan legislation that was never passed and exactly what the law was that specifically being proposed?



The bill, introduced by parliamentary member David Bahati and strongly influenced by US Evangelicals, previously called for the death penalty for "any form of sexual relations between persons of the same sex", now makes it punishable of up to life imprisonment. However, in the case of "serial offenders" and HIV positive individuals the death penalty still stands. Other features of the bill include extraterritorial jurisdiction to punish gay Ugandans living out of state and up to three years imprisonment for anyone who won't report homosexual behaviour.

Mostly, US coverage of the proposed legislation would have you believe that the outcry for justice for the Ugandans is coming from international condemnation against bigoted Ugandans. Julius Kaggwa, an activist from the Uganda Civil Society on Human Rights and Constitutional Law, says that even though the bill is the effect of Conservative American religious leaders playing on existent homophobia in the country, Ugandan opposition to the bill is at all time high. His 26 organization coalition including religious groups is at the forefront of the fight against this proposed human rights violation and is reaching out to the international community to bolster support to condemn the bill. As part of those efforts, he testified before the nonpartisan Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission on Jan 21st. Here are ten ways to oppose this legislation and stand up for human rights wherever you are.

The Nation: Fight Uganda's Anti-Gay Bill At Home : NPR

I meant the actual bill, not some article explaining it. When did it get passed, Sky? What is the state of the aids epidemic in Africa? Do you not think people with AIDS should be prosecuted whenever they spread it to someone who didn't know they had it?
 
Christian Scott Lively is on a worldwide anti-gay campaign.

Scott Lively is known in the United States for being outspoken against homosexuality and “the LGBT lobby,” as well as occasional Holocaust revisionism. While his message has had increasingly less traction at home in the United States, Lively has emerged as a tireless international campaigner against the “threat” of homosexuality faced by other nations, from Russia to Uganda—and now to Moldova.

You can see firsthand the sort of rhetoric Mr. Lively employs (and the kind of reception he receives) at his sermons abroad in this YouTube clip from Novosibirsk, Russia. Such messages have been particularly welcome by certain religious and other leaders in Uganda, where the Anti-Homosexuality Bill was introduced in 2009 after a similar visit by Lively. Following an international outcry, the Bill’s principle sponsor, MP David Bahati, temporarily tabled the bill—which proposes life imprisonment for the offense of “homosexuality”—although has said that he plans to reintroduce it. President Museveni promised to veto this legislation should it make it through the Uganda’s Parliament, although the very discussion of the bill and its contents has contributed to a hateful climate for Uganda’s lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex (LGBTI) individuals.

“Homosexuality” is precisely what Scott Lively went to combat in Moldova. As reported by Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Lively reacted to the new antidiscrimination bill that contained a sexual orientation clause by arguing that “ending discrimination against gays would be the first step towards the ‘homosexualization’ of society and would be followed by granting gay people the right to marry and adopt children.” The proposed bill, which would bring Moldova a step closer to improved relations with the European Union, was also condemned by the Moldovan Orthodox Church and is vehemently opposed by Lively’s main allies in the country—
Two Influential Americans Make Separate Visits to Europe
 
I've got to thank Sky for bringing the FRC to my attention. I was not aware of them but this thread piqued my interest, so I have been researching them in my free time since yesterday.

I have just made a contribution, and I encourage everyone to take a good look at them and consider doing the same. I've started another thread for those who aren't single-issue thinkers:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...search-council-thread-for-the-rest-of-us.html
 
Christian Scott Lively is on a worldwide anti-gay campaign.

Scott Lively is known in the United States for being outspoken against homosexuality and “the LGBT lobby,” as well as occasional Holocaust revisionism. While his message has had increasingly less traction at home in the United States, Lively has emerged as a tireless international campaigner against the “threat” of homosexuality faced by other nations, from Russia to Uganda—and now to Moldova.

You can see firsthand the sort of rhetoric Mr. Lively employs (and the kind of reception he receives) at his sermons abroad in this YouTube clip from Novosibirsk, Russia. Such messages have been particularly welcome by certain religious and other leaders in Uganda, where the Anti-Homosexuality Bill was introduced in 2009 after a similar visit by Lively. Following an international outcry, the Bill’s principle sponsor, MP David Bahati, temporarily tabled the bill—which proposes life imprisonment for the offense of “homosexuality”—although has said that he plans to reintroduce it. President Museveni promised to veto this legislation should it make it through the Uganda’s Parliament, although the very discussion of the bill and its contents has contributed to a hateful climate for Uganda’s lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex (LGBTI) individuals.

“Homosexuality” is precisely what Scott Lively went to combat in Moldova. As reported by Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Lively reacted to the new antidiscrimination bill that contained a sexual orientation clause by arguing that “ending discrimination against gays would be the first step towards the ‘homosexualization’ of society and would be followed by granting gay people the right to marry and adopt children.” The proposed bill, which would bring Moldova a step closer to improved relations with the European Union, was also condemned by the Moldovan Orthodox Church and is vehemently opposed by Lively’s main allies in the country—
Two Influential Americans Make Separate Visits to Europe

So what? Are we supposed to 'hate' him? Do you 'hate' him and others like him? How are you any different than they are?
 
Sky, can you please provide the Ugandan legislation that was never passed and exactly what the law was that specifically being proposed?



The bill, introduced by parliamentary member David Bahati and strongly influenced by US Evangelicals, previously called for the death penalty for "any form of sexual relations between persons of the same sex", now makes it punishable of up to life imprisonment. However, in the case of "serial offenders" and HIV positive individuals the death penalty still stands. Other features of the bill include extraterritorial jurisdiction to punish gay Ugandans living out of state and up to three years imprisonment for anyone who won't report homosexual behaviour.

Mostly, US coverage of the proposed legislation would have you believe that the outcry for justice for the Ugandans is coming from international condemnation against bigoted Ugandans. Julius Kaggwa, an activist from the Uganda Civil Society on Human Rights and Constitutional Law, says that even though the bill is the effect of Conservative American religious leaders playing on existent homophobia in the country, Ugandan opposition to the bill is at all time high. His 26 organization coalition including religious groups is at the forefront of the fight against this proposed human rights violation and is reaching out to the international community to bolster support to condemn the bill. As part of those efforts, he testified before the nonpartisan Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission on Jan 21st. Here are ten ways to oppose this legislation and stand up for human rights wherever you are.

The Nation: Fight Uganda's Anti-Gay Bill At Home : NPR

I meant the actual bill, not some article explaining it. When did it get passed, Sky? What is the state of the aids epidemic in Africa?

It hasn't been passed yet.
 
I've got to thank Sky for bringing the FRC to my attention. I was not aware of them but this thread piqued my interest, so I have been researching them in my free time since yesterday.

I have just made a contribution, and I encourage everyone to take a good look at them and consider doing the same. I've started another thread for those who aren't single-issue thinkers:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...search-council-thread-for-the-rest-of-us.html

Thank you for your honesty. By all means, continue to support this hate group. Your kind of folks, apparently.
 
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The bill, introduced by parliamentary member David Bahati and strongly influenced by US Evangelicals, previously called for the death penalty for "any form of sexual relations between persons of the same sex", now makes it punishable of up to life imprisonment. However, in the case of "serial offenders" and HIV positive individuals the death penalty still stands. Other features of the bill include extraterritorial jurisdiction to punish gay Ugandans living out of state and up to three years imprisonment for anyone who won't report homosexual behaviour.

Mostly, US coverage of the proposed legislation would have you believe that the outcry for justice for the Ugandans is coming from international condemnation against bigoted Ugandans. Julius Kaggwa, an activist from the Uganda Civil Society on Human Rights and Constitutional Law, says that even though the bill is the effect of Conservative American religious leaders playing on existent homophobia in the country, Ugandan opposition to the bill is at all time high. His 26 organization coalition including religious groups is at the forefront of the fight against this proposed human rights violation and is reaching out to the international community to bolster support to condemn the bill. As part of those efforts, he testified before the nonpartisan Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission on Jan 21st. Here are ten ways to oppose this legislation and stand up for human rights wherever you are.

The Nation: Fight Uganda's Anti-Gay Bill At Home : NPR

I meant the actual bill, not some article explaining it. When did it get passed, Sky? What is the state of the aids epidemic in Africa?

It hasn't been passed yet.

No? But it's been two years? And you don't think people who knowingly spread AIDS to others should be prosecuted? Should they face the death penalty for basically giving the death penalty to someone they had sex with?
 
Christian Scott Lively is on a worldwide anti-gay campaign.

Scott Lively is known in the United States for being outspoken against homosexuality and “the LGBT lobby,” as well as occasional Holocaust revisionism. While his message has had increasingly less traction at home in the United States, Lively has emerged as a tireless international campaigner against the “threat” of homosexuality faced by other nations, from Russia to Uganda—and now to Moldova.

You can see firsthand the sort of rhetoric Mr. Lively employs (and the kind of reception he receives) at his sermons abroad in this YouTube clip from Novosibirsk, Russia. Such messages have been particularly welcome by certain religious and other leaders in Uganda, where the Anti-Homosexuality Bill was introduced in 2009 after a similar visit by Lively. Following an international outcry, the Bill’s principle sponsor, MP David Bahati, temporarily tabled the bill—which proposes life imprisonment for the offense of “homosexuality”—although has said that he plans to reintroduce it. President Museveni promised to veto this legislation should it make it through the Uganda’s Parliament, although the very discussion of the bill and its contents has contributed to a hateful climate for Uganda’s lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex (LGBTI) individuals.

“Homosexuality” is precisely what Scott Lively went to combat in Moldova. As reported by Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Lively reacted to the new antidiscrimination bill that contained a sexual orientation clause by arguing that “ending discrimination against gays would be the first step towards the ‘homosexualization’ of society and would be followed by granting gay people the right to marry and adopt children.” The proposed bill, which would bring Moldova a step closer to improved relations with the European Union, was also condemned by the Moldovan Orthodox Church and is vehemently opposed by Lively’s main allies in the country—
Two Influential Americans Make Separate Visits to Europe

So what? Are we supposed to 'hate' him? Do you 'hate' him and others like him? How are you any different than they are?

So what? Fine. He's evil, if you like his work, support him. Just don't try and bullshit me about how moderate you are.
 
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I meant the actual bill, not some article explaining it. When did it get passed, Sky? What is the state of the aids epidemic in Africa?

It hasn't been passed yet.

No? But it's been two years? And you don't think people who knowingly spread AIDS to others should be prosecuted? Should they face the death penalty for basically giving the death penalty to someone they had sex with?

No. I don't support the death penalty. Do you?
 
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"Mr. Sharlet claims I told him that I had paid a visit to Mr. Bahati in Kampala to assure him that he remains in good standing despite my personal opposition to the bill. The meeting was not to tell Mr. Bahati that he was in “good standing,” whatever that means, it was to discuss my concerns with the bill. Indeed, on NPR’s Fresh Air episode of August 25, 2010, Mr. Sharlet says that, after he met with me, Mr. Bahati “was upset because he had come into a sort of a schism with the group.” Mr. Sharlet’s reporting on this subject is inconsistent, to put the best light on it.
Mr. Sharlet gives me credit for being vocal about my opposition to the bill, but claims that there’s somehow a “profound lack of accountability at every other level.” Mr. Sharlet knows that every American with any connection to Uganda for the Fellowship has condemned the bill. When Mr. Bahati first discussed the possibility of this bill, a close associate of the Fellowship told him it was a bad idea, making us the first group in the world to condemn the legislation since, under Mr. Sharlet’s approach of guilt by association, we must also have blessing by association."

Bob Hunter and Jeff Sharlet: An Exchange (Harper's Magazine)

Sky's full of shit.

I pulled up a load of information on this a while back but I don't remember what thread it was in. I think it was some garbage rtard was spewing at the time. It included a history of the situation in Uganda and Bahati specifically.
 
I've got to thank Sky for bringing the FRC to my attention. I was not aware of them but this thread piqued my interest, so I have been researching them in my free time since yesterday.

I have just made a contribution, and I encourage everyone to take a good look at them and consider doing the same. I've started another thread for those who aren't single-issue thinkers:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...search-council-thread-for-the-rest-of-us.html

Thank you for your honesty. By all means, continue to support this hate group. Your kind of folks, apparently.

Yes they are.

John Boehner is a big supporter as well, as are Jim Demint, Mike Huckabee, and Tim Pawlenty. All of them have also condemned the SPLC for their baseless and cowardly attacks on the FRC, and have denounced any and all categorizations of the FRC as any form of hate group.

I agree with them, and I again encourage all of those with no prior prejudice or agenda to take a good look at the FRC and draw your own conclusion.
 
Why are Oathkeepers listed as a hate group by SPLC?

Matthew Fairfield, a suburban Cleveland man who has been sitting in jail since April in lieu of $1 million bail as he awaits trial on 54 criminal counts related to his alleged storing of a live napalm bomb at his suburban Cleveland, Ohio, home, as well as keeping explosives at a friend’s home in Cleveland. A judge this week ruled that Fairfield, 30, is competent to stand trial. He is the president of a local Oath Keepers chapter, according to a prosecutor.

Fairfield was arrested after police found a napalm bomb and another explosive device above the garage at his house in the city of North Olmsted. They also confiscated two assault rifles and several other firearms from the Cleveland home. Fairfield was convicted and sentenced to two years of probation in February for carrying concealed weapons, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

He is but the latest Oath Keeper to run afoul of the law. Early last month, a Georgia Oath Keeper was busted for allegedly plotting to take control of a Madisonville, Tenn., courthouse and place two dozen federal, state and local officials under citizen’s arrest.

Yet another self-described Oath Keeper, Charles Dyer, was arrested in January for the alleged rape and forcible sodomy of a 7-year-old child, and for possessing a grenade launcher that had been stolen from a California military base in 2006. A jury recently acquitted Dyer of the federal weapons charge, but the sexual abuse charges are still pending.

Before his arrest, Dyer appeared in YouTube videos complaining about an overreaching government and an imminent takeover by the socialistic “New World Order.” Rhodes, the Oath Keepers founder whose website likewise suggests that a military takeover of the United States is imminent, said Dyer was never a dues-paying member, adding that it wasn’t practical for him to contact everybody who portrays himself as an Oath Keeper. But, in fact, Dyer spoke on behalf of Oath Keepers at a “tea party” event in Oklahoma on July 4 last year.


Man With Napalm Bomb is Latest Oath Keeper to Face Trial | Hatewatch | Southern Poverty Law Center

I see, because someone who is a member of an organization is accused of having a bomb that makes the entire organization a hate group.

Yet, for some reason, people on the left who have actually blown up buildings, destroyed property, and committed both criminal and terrorist acts, even when they are part of left leaning groups that crow about those actions, are not part of hate groups.

I admire the work that the SPLC did in the past myself Sky, but they are now nothing more than a group that needs money, and is willing to tar and feather anyone on the right in order to scare people into donating to them. Why do you support fear mongering?

The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : The Great Hate Hype: Are Libertarians Dangerous?

Fearmongering at the SPLC - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine
 
I see, because someone who is a member of an organization is accused of having a bomb that makes the entire organization a hate group.

Yet, for some reason, people on the left who have actually blown up buildings, destroyed property, and committed both criminal and terrorist acts, even when they are part of left leaning groups that crow about those actions, are not part of hate groups.

I admire the work that the SPLC did in the past myself Sky, but they are now nothing more than a group that needs money, and is willing to tar and feather anyone on the right in order to scare people into donating to them. Why do you support fear mongering?

The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : The Great Hate Hype: Are Libertarians Dangerous?

Fearmongering at the SPLC - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

Spot-on QW.

The SPLC is not even a shell of its former self.

They are much like MLB now....it is no longer about the game, but all about the player.

The SPLC is the butt of almost every joke in Montgomery, AL. My favorite one was a quote from a City Councilman a few years ago,

"We'd like to move on past our reputation from the Civil Rights Era, but we're afraid the SPLC will sue us if we do."
 
This group that she's badmouthing has been on the ground in Uganda for a long time; working to help children in one of the most dangerous, scary places on earth. Sky thinks that they should withdraw all support and contacts because Bahati is a nutjob who hates gays (based on tribal, not Christian, tradition).

The only way to help children and others in places like this is to maintain a dialogue with these monsters. If you don't, you can't get to the people who need help, and you will die if you try. According to Sky, the kids are expendable, and probably shouldn't have been born anyway. The only thing that's important here is the GAY population (which is pretty small). If they are at risk, then stop aid to the children!

That's what SKY'S kinda people are all about. Depriving and killing children. Nice.
 
I've got to thank Sky for bringing the FRC to my attention. I was not aware of them but this thread piqued my interest, so I have been researching them in my free time since yesterday.

I have just made a contribution, and I encourage everyone to take a good look at them and consider doing the same. I've started another thread for those who aren't single-issue thinkers:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...search-council-thread-for-the-rest-of-us.html

Thank you for your honesty. By all means, continue to support this hate group. Your kind of folks, apparently.

I have yet to see you provide any evidence of hate.
 

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