Your God is your ultimate barrier to finding the Godhead.

[GreatestIam]

Your God is your ultimate barrier to finding the Godhead.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Eoxt1hRm9c&feature=fvst]Universal Interdependence - "Your god is your ultimate barrier.": Quotes from Joseph Campbell - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU]Joseph Campbell--On Becoming an Adult - YouTube[/ame]

The Jews, the true authority and interpreters of Eden, saw mankind’s gain of knowledge as an elevation in their struggle to understand God. Israel [as understood by Hebrews, = he strives with God]. Strive can be read as to mean to work either with or against. Jews equated God more with a source of knowledge than a source of command that must be obeyed. This is shown by archetypal Moses ignoring God’s law of divorce.

Being a Gnostic Christian, my view goes to following the Jewish view for two basic reasons. They have more authority over the O. T. than Christians and secondly, they give our creation, beginning and God a happy ending for our passage through Eden. True evil had yet to manifest itself to that point in time.

Christians on the other hand, with their view of Eden as man’s fall, cannot see a perfect heaven without evil. God fails on this issue and admits it by casting Satan out.

Christians cannot see a perfect Eden on earth without evil. God fails on this issue and admits it by casting Adam and Eve out.

In Noah’s day, God repented from his sins. He missed the mark and admits it by destroying most of mankind and animal kind with an immoral genocide. God fails on this issue as well.

Did the Jews win in their striving against God to a point where they could judge him?
I think so thanks to Moses and the divorce laws.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI]God on Trial: The Verdict - YouTube[/ame]

We cannot today know why Christianity reversed some of the Jewish thinking when embracing the O. T. and it’s God and going from man’s elevation to man’s fall.

Should Christians consider following that good Jewish example and do as other cultures have done as shown by Joseph Campbell and seek a messiah the way most Jews do?

If not, then Christians will have to learn to live in a world where their God can be accurately described like this.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Dawkins and most Jews call the bible fiction. Jews can thus get around this accurate description of God by just admitting the truth. It is all myth and metaphor. Literalist and fundamental Christians cannot and I think that over time this rather ugly God will kill Christianity.

At one time the Christian God of the gaps may have had a role to play for us but man has moved on. Christians should perhaps do the same and seek their true God.

Regards
DL

 

[BadJesus]

The Old Testament has been misrepresented by Christians as something that it isn't... the God or "Lord" is merely a metaphor for an ancient war-lord based upon the planet Saturn. The EL...

The tales in the Old Testament were never about worshipping anything but about self realization of one's own Godliness through the use of a forbidden plant which opened their eyes. It's a transcendental metaphysical shamanic adventure. In Genesis 3 for instance it is the Serpent that is the noble character of the myth. In the New Testament the serpent becomes the Jesus, the sacred plant itself... the Sun upon the earth... which if used properly will show one that they are also the Sun up in the sky... as above so below...

 

[GreatestIam]

The Old Testament has been misrepresented by Christians as something that it isn't... the God or "Lord" is merely a metaphor for an ancient war-lord based upon the planet Saturn. The EL...

The tales in the Old Testament were never about worshipping anything but about self realization of one's own Godliness through the use of a forbidden plant which opened their eyes. It's a transcendental metaphysical shamanic adventure. In Genesis 3 for instance it is the Serpent that is the noble character of the myth. In the New Testament the serpent becomes the Jesus, the sacred plant itself... the Sun upon the earth... which if used properly will show one that they are also the Sun up in the sky... as above so below...

No argument. Let us not forget though that plants are enhancers of experience and not the creators of them.

They help us focus on where we look. They do not make us look there.

Regards
DL

 

[amrchaos]

I take it that your concepts of religion is more of a metaphorical take of the stories/myths and so forth.


So I have a question, where does the concept of god come from?

Was it a way to conceptualize life and nature through experiences a la J.Campbell?

Was it actually some being that chose who God align with and who god will condemn?

Or was there a possiblity that the concept of god was started by a more primitive concept that may have been lost due mans development through the ages?

Or something else entirely.

 

[amrchaos]

I like J. Campbell take on religion--what was that book called again? I want to read it.

 

[GreatestIam]

I take it that your concepts of religion is more of a metaphorical take of the stories/myths and so forth.


So I have a question, where does the concept of god come from?

From the Godhead. I think it is all that we have ever had and it was found by various tribes all over the world throug their shamen and prophets. It is not a miracle working super God but was written up as such by men who were competing for the God with the biggest dick.

Was it a way to conceptualize life and nature through experiences a la J.Campbell?

Was it actually some being that chose who God align with and who god will condemn?

Or was there a possiblity that the concept of god was started by a more primitive concept that may have been lost due mans development through the ages?

The above may have answered your question.

The God concept is universal in man somehow. Either imaginary or real.

My apotheosis showed me that it does have a place in reality.
No proof of this of course. That is why I only offer this as an anecdotal rendering. I do not expect or push for belief.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I like J. Campbell take on religion--what was that book called again? I want to read it.

He has a few. He is know for----The power of Myth.

Regards
DL