You want to hear a liar lie right to your face?

[PatekPhilippe]

And SS is still showing a positive cash flow.

that 6 trillion is previous surplus money that our gummit has spent on other things and must repay to the SS program.

Surely you know this though?

I thought the amount owed was more like 3 milliion?

welch on a debt to uscitizens?

and yes....they are projecting reduced benefits by 2017 when that positive cash flow you're touting becomes a NEGATIVE cash flow. Anyone born after 1960 can now no longer retire at 62. They have to wait....and then get reduced benefits...maybe 70% of what they were promised...

If more young whippersnappers would grab their bootstraps and pull themselves up to a higher standard of living. Well there would be more SS funds flowing in so no problem.
It is all the fault of the young.

That's just the problem...Americans aren't having as many children nowdays...there will be more senior citizens than young people for the first time in the history of the U.S. as more and more baby boomers retire. That's the reason why SS and Medicare are going broke.

 

[uscitizen]

and yes....they are projecting reduced benefits by 2017 when that positive cash flow you're touting becomes a NEGATIVE cash flow. Anyone born after 1960 can now no longer retire at 62. They have to wait....and then get reduced benefits...maybe 70% of what they were promised...

If more young whippersnappers would grab their bootstraps and pull themselves up to a higher standard of living. Well there would be more SS funds flowing in so no problem.
It is all the fault of the young.

That's just the problem...Americans aren't having as many children nowdays...there will be more senior citizens than young people for the first time in the history of the U.S. as more and more baby boomers retire. That's the reason why SS and Medicare are going broke.

Bring in the immigrants, make them be legal. Problem solved.
Would create a few more problems, but that was not the issue was it?

 

[jillian]

December 21, 2009
RUSH: Merry Christmas, happy holidays to all of you from all of us here at the Excellence in Broadcasting Network. You want to hear a liar lie? You want to hear a liar lie right to your face?

RUSH: This man [Obama] has spent more deficit money in one year than the Bush eight years in total, ladies and gentlemen.

How does Rush explain Bush Doubling the deficit?

How about Reagan Tripling the deficit?

It's tough to stay focused on your boy Obama, isn't it?

It's called denial...........Shame and Guilt! lol

Mike

not really...

but what's the matter? rush not tell you how to answer the question?

 

[edthecynic]

December 21, 2009
RUSH: Merry Christmas, happy holidays to all of you from all of us here at the Excellence in Broadcasting Network. You want to hear a liar lie? You want to hear a liar lie right to your face?

RUSH: This man [Obama] has spent more deficit money in one year than the Bush eight years in total, ladies and gentlemen.

Rush Limbaugh owns you........

Well, since the opposite of what a CON$ervative says is ALWAYS the truth, thank you for acknowledging that I OWN America's Hemorrhoid STUTTERING LimpBoy.

December 9, 2009
RUSH: What probably ticks off these people is, they've got the 60 votes.* Why do you need five bucks from me?* We elected you 60 Democrats.* Why do you need to keep asking us for money?* Now, where these guys like Kos are going off track is they should be happy.* They're going to get everything they want.* Reid is just saying the public option's gone because he has to say that, he's four votes short, maybe five votes short.

 

[nodoginnafight]

If more young whippersnappers would grab their bootstraps and pull themselves up to a higher standard of living. Well there would be more SS funds flowing in so no problem.
It is all the fault of the young.

That's just the problem...Americans aren't having as many children nowdays...there will be more senior citizens than young people for the first time in the history of the U.S. as more and more baby boomers retire. That's the reason why SS and Medicare are going broke.

Bring in the immigrants, make them be legal. Problem solved.
Would create a few more problems, but that was not the issue was it?

Ya know, apparently no one at the social security administration had a clue about what birth rates were doing 30, 40, 50 years ago. Or at the very least no one had the balls to do something about the crisis that any 5th grader with a pocket calculator KNEW was inevitable.

Making illegal aliens legal and get them to start contributing to the system WOULD solve a lot. The only other option I can see is cutting benefits.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So obvious that you missed it completely.

All revenue taken in by the Federal government must FIRST be spent upon defense. That is the ONLY authorized spending in the Constitution.

You divide what is left among the other federal spending programs. That means that what is left over is considered 'deficit' spending.

In fact, The largest entitlement programs are what causes a budget deficit.

That is the funniest post I've read all week.

...but in fairness the week is young.

The single largest budgetary item in the U.S. government is Social Security and Medicare...accounting for 60%+....that is a fact. Right now Social Security accounts for nearly 6 trillion dollars of our National Debt....that is a fact.

Gee, then why didn't we have significant budget deficits until Reagan decided to cut taxes AND pour billions needlessly into defense?

 

[edthecynic]

So obvious that you missed it completely.

All revenue taken in by the Federal government must FIRST be spent upon defense. That is the ONLY authorized spending in the Constitution.

You divide what is left among the other federal spending programs. That means that what is left over is considered 'deficit' spending.

In fact, The largest entitlement programs are what causes a budget deficit.

That is the funniest post I've read all week.

...but in fairness the week is young.

The single largest budgetary item in the U.S. government is Social Security and Medicare...accounting for 60%+....that is a fact. Right now Social Security accounts for nearly 6 trillion dollars of our National Debt....that is a fact.

Any time a CON$ervative says anything is a "fact," it NEVER is a "fact"

 

[Care4all]

the Deficit is not the National Debt or the Total Public Debt.

The Deficit is the difference between what we collect in taxes and what congress spends on the year's budget.

Our total Debt is the deficit of the Budget, plus the social security SURPLUS that they spend on the general budget, plus ALL that is left out of the budget that is spent on supplementals...outside of the budget.

AND an FYI....

Social security was NEVER in the yearly Budget, until President Johnson put it in to the general budget to MASK THE PERCENTAGE of the budget being spent on Defense, on the Viet Nam War. by adding SS in to the general budget it lowered the percentage in the budget of what was being spent of our general budget.... that income taxes are suppose to pay, on the viet Nam War....

At the time, there were no Social security surpluses to use in the general budget...it was not until Reagan DOUBLED our social security taxes in the 80's, that our congress got to OVER COLLECT on social security and USE THIS SURPLUS money to pay for things in their general spending budget.

The National Debt total, is what we OWE to foreign countries or we OWE to Social Security for using ITS surplus money.

Pretty sad if it is true that 6 trillion of the 12 trillion in total national debt is owed to social security....THIS MEANS that the poor, the working class has REALLY been paying a HECK OF A LOT more in taxes to support what income taxes should have been paying and the WEALTHIEST who do not pay social security tax ARE NOT paying the MOST in taxes as they claim and they do NOT pay for 90% what our expenses are with the government as THEY CLAIM...the government has been taking from the working class to pay for what the wealthy claim they are paying....no?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

That is the funniest post I've read all week.

...but in fairness the week is young.

The single largest budgetary item in the U.S. government is Social Security and Medicare...accounting for 60%+....that is a fact. Right now Social Security accounts for nearly 6 trillion dollars of our National Debt....that is a fact.

Any time a CON$ervative says anything is a "fact," it NEVER is a "fact"

You can pretty much say when Ed posts someting it's a big fat partisan lie used to dupe his dumb ass into voting away all of his freedoms.

Now...lets look at the federal budget: SS and Medicare/Medicaid eat up 40% of the budget right off the top...welfare eats up another 12%...interest on the debt to SS about 3%.

Add it dumb fuck edthecynic...add it up....55%....maybe not 60%+ but it's damn close.

File:Fy2009spendingbycategory2.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Chris]

December 21, 2009
RUSH: Merry Christmas, happy holidays to all of you from all of us here at the Excellence in Broadcasting Network. You want to hear a liar lie? You want to hear a liar lie right to your face?

RUSH: This man [Obama] has spent more deficit money in one year than the Bush eight years in total, ladies and gentlemen.

How does Rush explain Bush Doubling the deficit?

How about Reagan Tripling the deficit?

He doesn't. He ignores it, like all Republicans.

Reagan and Bush created the vast majority of the National Debt by lowering taxes on the rich and increasing wasteful military spending. They really were two of the dumbest presidents we ever had.

 

[Care4all]

Honestly, I have NO CLUE on HOW Rush can even make the statement he has made?

FIRST, Obama's Budget began October 1 of 2009, so the deficit of $1.4 Trillion for 2009 was the Budget that was President Bush's, that began on October 1st 2008.

Obama HAS NOT HAD a full year's fiscal budget to even have a budget deficit on the books.

Rush Limbaugh is lying and is manipulating THOSE who do not understand the difference between a budget deficit, a fiscal budget or how it works, or the public debt or the total national debt...it is easy to manipulate and brain wash people that are ignorant in finances and how our government budget, deficit, and debt....works...imo.

Care

 

[Meister]

December 21, 2009
RUSH: Merry Christmas, happy holidays to all of you from all of us here at the Excellence in Broadcasting Network. You want to hear a liar lie? You want to hear a liar lie right to your face?

RUSH: This man [Obama] has spent more deficit money in one year than the Bush eight years in total, ladies and gentlemen.

How does Rush explain Bush Doubling the deficit?

How about Reagan Tripling the deficit?

He doesn't. He ignores it, like all Republicans.

Reagan and Bush created the vast majority of the National Debt by lowering taxes on the rich and increasing wasteful military spending. They really were two of the dumbest presidents we ever had.

Carter....he takes both slots for dumbness.

 

[Care4all]

The single largest budgetary item in the U.S. government is Social Security and Medicare...accounting for 60%+....that is a fact. Right now Social Security accounts for nearly 6 trillion dollars of our National Debt....that is a fact.

Any time a CON$ervative says anything is a "fact," it NEVER is a "fact"

You can pretty much say when Ed posts someting it's a big fat partisan lie used to dupe his dumb ass into voting away all of his freedoms.

Now...lets look at the federal budget: SS and Medicare/Medicaid eat up 40% of the budget right off the top...welfare eats up another 12%...interest on the debt to SS about 3%.

Add it dumb fuck edthecynic...add it up....55%....maybe not 60%+ but it's damn close.

File:Fy2009spendingbycategory2.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IF social security was NOT IN the general budget, President Bush and Obama WOULD NOT HAVE all of the SURPLUS SOCIAL SECURITY taxes to pay for all of their OVER SPENDING.

Social security is OVER COLLECTING taxes PP so why are you saying it is the problem? The problem is congress spending the social security surpluses on what income taxes should be collected and spent on? I don't understand your gripe on this?

Care

 

[Chris]

How does Rush explain Bush Doubling the deficit?

How about Reagan Tripling the deficit?

He doesn't. He ignores it, like all Republicans.

Reagan and Bush created the vast majority of the National Debt by lowering taxes on the rich and increasing wasteful military spending. They really were two of the dumbest presidents we ever had.

Carter....he takes both slots for dumbness.

Carter graduated from the Naval Academy and was the captain of a nuclear submarine.

He is not dumb.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Honestly, I have NO CLUE on HOW Rush can even make the statement he has made?

FIRST, Obama's Budget began October 1 of 2009, so the deficit of $1.4 Trillion for 2009 was the Budget that was President Bush's, that began on October 1st 2008.

Obama HAS NOT HAD a full year's fiscal budget to even have a budget deficit on the books.

Rush Limbaugh is lying and is manipulating THOSE who do not understand the difference between a budget deficit, a fiscal budget or how it works, or the public debt or the total national debt...it is easy to manipulate and brain wash people that are ignorant in finances and how our government budget, deficit, and debt....works...imo.

Care

This is where you are missing some information...Obama's budget has spending of x amount of dollars...right now the current revenues projected to be taken in in FY 2010 are -1.7 trillion dollars of x...which equals a 1.7 trillion dollar projected deficit for FY2010.

Now if we look at the healthcare package that DOES NOT go into effect until 2013 and the healthcare taxes on EVERY AMERICAN that start on JANUARY 1ST 2010 we see that the projected deficit will decline significantly as Obama uses healthcare money to pay for his STIMULUS grants to the State and local governments around the country.

So basically Obama will use healthcare tax money to balance the budget but in 2013 there will be a SIGNIFICANT BUDGET SHORTFALL AS ALL OF THE MONEY FOR HEALTHCARE TAXES THAT WAS COLLECTED STARTING JANUARY 2010 HAS BEEN SPENT ON OTHER SHIT!!!!! That means we will once again ask the Fed and the Chinese to bail us out.

THIS IS WHY OBAMA IS PROJECTED TO DOUBLE THE NATIONAL DEBT DURING HIS PRESIDENCY SHOULD HE BE ELECTED TO A 2nd TERM.

When the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire in 2010 EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN WILL SEE THEIR TAXES INCREASE....no matter how the Dem's spin it...it's a tax increase + the healthcare taxes that kick in. The average American family of 4 making $50k a year will probably see their tax burden increase by 4%-8%. Obviously people with larger incomes will see their taxes increase a greater percentage.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Any time a CON$ervative says anything is a "fact," it NEVER is a "fact"

You can pretty much say when Ed posts someting it's a big fat partisan lie used to dupe his dumb ass into voting away all of his freedoms.

Now...lets look at the federal budget: SS and Medicare/Medicaid eat up 40% of the budget right off the top...welfare eats up another 12%...interest on the debt to SS about 3%.

Add it dumb fuck edthecynic...add it up....55%....maybe not 60%+ but it's damn close.

File:Fy2009spendingbycategory2.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IF social security was NOT IN the general budget, President Bush and Obama WOULD NOT HAVE all of the SURPLUS SOCIAL SECURITY taxes to pay for all of their OVER SPENDING.

Social security is OVER COLLECTING taxes PP so why are you saying it is the problem? The problem is congress spending the social security surpluses on what income taxes should be collected and spent on? I don't understand your gripe on this?

Care

It is NOT "ovecollecting" taxes. It is taxing Americans in the workforce to provide them with a benefit when they retire. in 2017 when there are more retirees than workers the Government will have to beging borrowing money to pay off the Treasury Notes that were given to the SSA for the money Congress took, to fund social security payments to seniors.

The Congress has BORROWED nearly 6 trillion dollars from SSA...and pays them interest EVERY YEAR ON THOSE TREASURY NOTES. Soon the workforce will SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE IN SIZE AS THE POPULATION AGES AND FEWER WORKERS ENTER THE WORKFORCE..do the math....SS payments for anyone born after 1960 are projected to be only 75% of what their SSA statements say right now....Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are going broke folks...plan accordingly.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

He doesn't. He ignores it, like all Republicans.

Reagan and Bush created the vast majority of the National Debt by lowering taxes on the rich and increasing wasteful military spending. They really were two of the dumbest presidents we ever had.

Carter....he takes both slots for dumbness.

Carter graduated from the Naval Academy and was the captain of a nuclear submarine.
He is not dumb.

YOU SIR...are a lying sack of SHIT!!!!

Carter NEVER commanded a submarine...NEVER..Rickover found him unfit for command!!!!

 

[edthecynic]

The single largest budgetary item in the U.S. government is Social Security and Medicare...accounting for 60%+....that is a fact. Right now Social Security accounts for nearly 6 trillion dollars of our National Debt....that is a fact.

Any time a CON$ervative says anything is a "fact," it NEVER is a "fact"

You can pretty much say when Ed posts someting it's a big fat partisan lie used to dupe his dumb ass into voting away all of his freedoms.

Now...lets look at the federal budget: SS and Medicare/Medicaid eat up 40% of the budget right off the top...welfare eats up another 12%...interest on the debt to SS about 3%.

Add it dumb fuck edthecynic...add it up....55%....maybe not 60%+ but it's damn close.

Any time a CON$ervative is caught lying, they simply keep on lying. Lying is the Holy Eucharist of the hate religion of CON$ervatism.

The pathological liar said SS and Medicare were 60+% of the budget and then admits they were less, but the pathological liar still exaggerated 35% into 40%. Then the pathological liar adds 12% welfare, which was not part of the pathological liar's original lie, and gets 55% from the 47% total of SS, medicare and welfare using dishonest CON$ervative "Fuzzy Math."

Close enough for a CON$ervative to rationalize their lies aren't lies.

To the wicked, everything serves as pretext.
- Voltaire

 

[edthecynic]

Soon the workforce will SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE IN SIZE AS THE POPULATION AGES AND FEWER WORKERS ENTER THE WORKFORCE..do the math....

As I said, when CON$ are caught lying, they just continue to lie. They hope to simply swamp you in a sea of lies. CON$ believe their talent for lying, on loan from their Gawwwwwd-da, proves their superiority over honest fools.

The workforce grows by about 1.5 million each year and is projected to continue to grow for the next 10 years, reaching a growth rate of 1.8 million per year by the end of the 10 years.

Any fool can tell the truth, but it requires a man of some sense to know how to lie well.
- Samuel Butler

 

[Meister]

Soon the workforce will SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE IN SIZE AS THE POPULATION AGES AND FEWER WORKERS ENTER THE WORKFORCE..do the math....

As I said, when CON$ are caught lying, they just continue to lie. They hope to simply swamp you in a sea of lies. CON$ believe their talent for lying, on loan from their Gawwwwwd-da, proves their superiority over honest fools.

The workforce grows by about 1.5 million each year and is projected to continue to grow for the next 10 years, reaching a growth rate of 1.8 million per year by the end of the 10 years.

Any fool can tell the truth, but it requires a man of some sense to know how to lie well.
- Samuel Butler

Wanna talk about obama's lies?