You have to pay for ObamaCare? Oh...

Why would I want a healthcare system where our government tells us what the premiums are and what the coverage is going to be? A government on a whim can increase premiums and we have no say because we don't have any competition whatsoever.
Canada has all sorts of problems with their healthcare system and are opening up private clinics because of the problems.
Just because you people seem to have a problem taking care of yourself doesn't mean the majority in America do. Don't get me involved with your shortcomings......idiots

EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.


Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?

Yes, changing EMTALA is exactly what we need to do. It's not an excellent law, it's an pie in the sky unfunded mandate. If we think that government should be responsible for making sure everyone gets health care, fund such a program with taxes, and quit trying to sweep your socialism under the carpet with legislative sleight of hand.



I work in a ER. You are dead wrong. EMTALA is an outstanding law that has saved many lives. To argue otherwise is foolish. I notice everyone who says this kind of crap has no other alternative. Typical.

Dear WQ:
You can change the law without removing the lifesaving benefits.
For example, why not have all citizens, upon turning 18 or legal age, sign agreements with a list of COSTS of committing crimes (including ER costs, prosecution, incarceration, police processing etc.) and AGREE to pay for these costs if convicted of committing a PREMEDITATED CRIME.

Thus, anyone who deliberately shoots out people at a school or party has to pay the ER bill.

Or else agree to forfeit citizenship and trade places with an immigrant on the waiting list who would LOVE to have the privilege of working an honest living as a lawabiding citizen.

What effect would this have on crime? To start teaching citizens the cost of violations?
And reward lawabiding behavior with rights, while punishing lawbreaking behavior with either paying the costs and/or losing citizenship if they don't want the responsibility?

And if money could be saved by cutting costs of crime per state, or per district/city that opts to enforce citizenship standards within their local ordinances by democratic vote of the citizens there,

why not use THOSE RESOURCES, which lawabiding taxpayers are already paying out the kazoo, to fund hospitals, teaching internships and public clinics to serve the general population?
 
Why would I want a healthcare system where our government tells us what the premiums are and what the coverage is going to be? A government on a whim can increase premiums and we have no say because we don't have any competition whatsoever.
Canada has all sorts of problems with their healthcare system and are opening up private clinics because of the problems.
Just because you people seem to have a problem taking care of yourself doesn't mean the majority in America do. Don't get me involved with your shortcomings......idiots

Yes, changing EMTALA is exactly what we need to do. It's not an excellent law, it's an pie in the sky unfunded mandate. If we think that government should be responsible for making sure everyone gets health care, fund such a program with taxes, and quit trying to sweep your socialism under the carpet with legislative sleight of hand.



I work in a ER. You are dead wrong. EMTALA is an outstanding law that has saved many lives. To argue otherwise is foolish. I notice everyone who says this kind of crap has no other alternative. Typical.

Dear WQ:
You can change the law without removing the lifesaving benefits.
For example, why not have all citizens, upon turning 18 or legal age, sign agreements with a list of COSTS of committing crimes (including ER costs, prosecution, incarceration, police processing etc.) and AGREE to pay for these costs if convicted of committing a PREMEDITATED CRIME.

Thus, anyone who deliberately shoots out people at a school or party has to pay the ER bill.

Or else agree to forfeit citizenship and trade places with an immigrant on the waiting list who would LOVE to have the privilege of working an honest living as a lawabiding citizen.

What effect would this have on crime? To start teaching citizens the cost of violations?
And reward lawabiding behavior with rights, while punishing lawbreaking behavior with either paying the costs and/or losing citizenship if they don't want the responsibility?

And if money could be saved by cutting costs of crime per state, or per district/city that opts to enforce citizenship standards within their local ordinances by democratic vote of the citizens there,

why not use THOSE RESOURCES, which lawabiding taxpayers are already paying out the kazoo, to fund hospitals, teaching internships and public clinics to serve the general population?

Wow, this is certainly creative government.
I think we would have a better chance of wishing the bad guys away.
 
As usual, you can't read.

Show me where I wrote that Ronnie Ray-Gun was a Socialist.

Usually the words "Reagan's socialist" make that implication. And you tell me I can't read?

"implication"?

That's on you.

What I wrote was:

But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".

See the difference?

Probably not but again, that's on you.

To make the accusation he passed socialist policies is therefore accusing him of being socialist. Reading comprehension, you and BD both could benefit from it.
 
I'm not for this type of plan, but I'd prefer it to this ACA beast.



The Democrats could have at least opened a serious national dialogue on Single Payer, but they did not. Instead, they rushed and pushed through this hideous Frankenstein's monster by the barest of margins. And now, liberals are having to defend it for political reasons. They can't point at Romneycare, they voted for the ACA. It's all theirs.



I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when Reid and Pelosi and gang decided they didn't have the guts to make Single Payer a national conversation.



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Reid, Pelosi, and Obama never wanted a conversation about single payer because all the polls showed Americans were very happy with their current coverage. To discuss single payer openly was a loser. Look what happened to Hillary. So they lied and then created a Frankenstein monster.



Who the hell wants the Govt running HC for 300 million Americans?



The Govt that has never run anything cheaply or well.



The Govt that turns everything into mountains of red tape, paperwork and waits.



Good Gawd. Talk about a trainwreck.



This is what we need to do to fix HC in this country.



The Best Alternative to Obamacare - Clark S. Judge (usnews.com)


So explain why the US's most popular healthcare programs, with the highest customer satisfaction, are both "government run"? (Medicare and VA)
 
I don't know about you, but I'm a tightwad. Ask my wife and kids, they have great fun teasing me.



And as I've looked at the economic landscape as it pertains to health care (I'm also a financial advisor, so that shit is pretty much mandatory in my little world), I have dug down a few layers and come up with the following realization: A healthier populace is good economics. That really gets my attention.



Having people fend for themselves for health care will clearly, ultimately cause decay in the general health of our populace - in fact, it obviously already has. Between our horrific eating habits and a lack of access to fundamental preventive and diagnostic care, holy shit, it's a wonder we've survived this long.



The macro problems with the ACA are (a) its horrific bloat and abject lack of attention to fundamental market behavior and (b) its stunning lack of attention to simplifying our comedicly stupid mix of FIVE different health care payment systems - individual, group, VA, Medicare, Medicaid, and indigent.



By the way, "comedicly" did not pass spell-check muster, fuck it.



The Left has to defend this pig, but the fact that they "did something" about our health care system doesn't mean it's not a big, steaming bowl of shit.



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The left wants single payer. The right forced this compromise. You know that. Why not say it?





Since ACA passed with no Republican votes how is it the right's fault that Single Payer wouldn't pass?



How was it that the Messiah couldn't muster the only votes he needed from Democrats?


I said it was their healthcare plan.

The liberal plan is single payer. The Democratic plan was a Public Option. What we got was the Heritage's (conservative) plan...but because a Democrat did it....SOCIALISM! :rolleyes:
 
The left wants single payer. The right forced this compromise. You know that. Why not say it?





Since ACA passed with no Republican votes how is it the right's fault that Single Payer wouldn't pass?



How was it that the Messiah couldn't muster the only votes he needed from Democrats?


I said it was their healthcare plan.

The liberal plan is single payer. The Democratic plan was a Public Option. What we got was the Heritage's (conservative) plan...but because a Democrat did it....SOCIALISM! :rolleyes:

Obama has his eyes and always has with a single payer. He knew he couldn't get the votes so he went with Obamacare, knowing that it was a stepping stone to single payer. He had to lie to muster the votes to pass by the slimmest of margins.
He just didn't know that his most trusted and brilliant administration in modern history wasn't intelligent enough to pull it off. We have a debacle now and a president who will no longer be trusted during his tenure.
 
EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.


Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?

Yes, changing EMTALA is exactly what we need to do. It's not an excellent law, it's an pie in the sky unfunded mandate. If we think that government should be responsible for making sure everyone gets health care, fund such a program with taxes, and quit trying to sweep your socialism under the carpet with legislative sleight of hand.

I work in a ER. You are dead wrong. EMTALA is an outstanding law that has saved many lives. To argue otherwise is foolish. I notice everyone who says this kind of crap has no other alternative. Typical.

Anyone who is not a healthcare provider pretty much has no clue what they are talking about.

One thing ACA doesn't address is the 11 million illegals in this country with no health insurance whose PCP is the ER.

Another thing ACA doesn't address is the FACT that Docs ARE not accepting new Medicaid patients.
The doctor won?t see you? Analysts warn ObamaCare plans could resemble Medicaid | Fox News

"About half of the physicians in many communities refuse to take Medicaid patients because the payment system is just too low," said James Capretta, of the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

Doug Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, suggested some of the plans on the exchanges are going in the same direction.

"If you look at something where you get a dollar by treating a private payer, you get about 70 cents out of Medicare for that same treatment, you get about 55 cents out of Medicaid for that," he said.
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Here's another FACT.

Doctors seeing Medicare patients face a 24 percent cut in reimbursements beginning January 1. But almost no one has grasped that those cuts will hit Medicaid too.
Doctors Face A 24% Pay Cut In Both Medicare And Medicaid Reimbursements - Forbes


Medicare patients will have the same reimburse rate as Medicaid in California.

I'm getting really sick and tired of reading posts from the 'know-nothings' who claim to know everything. They are just as guilty as spreading disinformation as the KFF.
Americans will suffer.
 
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