"You didn't get there on your own"

[bripat9643]

Iacoca was the kind of CEO who succeeded by farming the government rather than by running his company efficiently. He's a blood sucking parasite.

Let's hear what the former CEO of Ford had to say before the 2008 election, OK?

Health care: an issue that cries out for leadership.

Health care in this country is in shambles. At a cost of almost $12,000 a year for the average family, the system is bankrupting families and it's bankrupting companies - specifically my old industry. Take General Motors. They're currently paying out $1,525 per vehicle for health care. Compare that to the $201 Toyota is paying and it sounds even more absurd. And what about those families and individuals who can't afford insurance at all? Junior breaks his arm and all of a sudden, a fall off a bike is an $8,000 trip to the ER.

Despite all of this, none of our politicians will touch the issue. Oh sure, they'll talk about it during campaign season, but once the votes are cast, it's the forgotten issue again. The last time anyone proposed real reform was in 1993, and that plan went nowhere. Fourteen years later, Hillary Clinton's failed plan is still used as an excuse to continue ignoring the problem. That's disgraceful.

I suggest you listen carefully to the '08 candidates' "plans" for health care. Let's see if any of them have the political courage to really tackle it this time around. I don't want band-aid ideas either. I want concrete solutions - and I want to hold these guys to their promises.

 

[bripat9643]

Government shifted those costs onto private hospitals and private insurance companies.

Actually, hospitals, doctors and insurance corporations build those health care costs.


Medicare vs. private insurance in one graph

 

[bripat9643]

There's no quote of Henry Ford saying that. Your article also states that the reason for the wage increase was to reduce worker attrition.

Henry Ford had reasoned that since it was now possible to build inexpensive cars in volume, more of them could be sold if employees could afford to buy them. The $5 day helped better the lot of all American workers and contributed to the emergence of the American middle class. In the process, Henry Ford had changed manufacturing forever.

duh

Nope. The author of the article said that, not Henry Ford. When you see something Henry Ford actually said it will have these (") thingies on either side of it.

 

[lukelk]

2000-2009 hmmmm bush years

 

[Uncensored2008]

Well to start you say fascist, and then I have seen your posts where you call it communist, which one is it, CAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT!

Unfortunately, the left is abysmally ignorant. Drones reciting mantras who lack the capacity of thought.

{The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State--a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values--interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people. (p. 14)

Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which diverent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State. (p.15)} - Benito Mussolini.

Fascism is the incorporation of the central government with corporations. Where government decides trends and production goals, with business executing to the requirements of the state.

Obama's fascist care is exactly that, fascist. It is the merger of corporate interests and the state. Fascist care literally entangles well connected corporations such as Blue Cross and Kaiser with the state, making the IRS the bill collector and setting the production goals for these psuedo-private concerns by the federal government.

Look, you're an Obamabot - you lack the IQ points to grasp even rudimentary concepts, relying on emotion to drive your worship of Obama. But terms have meanings to the sentient beings.

more importantly, you are then calling romney a fascist cause Romney care is Obama care, just on a state level, and you are calling Regan a fascist cause both Romney&Obama care are modeled after what the Regan admin. proposed doing which was the mandate. so I doubt you have read the whole thing, and from what you have been saying you dont understand pretty much anything about it.

Yawn.

Your little world revolves around "my god is better than yours." And no sparky, the Reagan administration did not propose state run health care. You are fouling your hating points again, taking an old Cato article and trying to shove it up Reagan's ass.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Iacoca was the kind of CEO who succeeded by farming the government rather than by running his company efficiently. He's a blood sucking parasite.

Who cut corners on the Pinto, and damned near destroyed the company.

 

[thereisnospoon]

And with that the kid's arm gets set for $6,000 instead of 8, but Granny's hip replacement get cancelled...

Helluva tradeoff, right?

Granny doesn't need a hip replacement; the death panel ruled that she is a burden on the system and will be put to rest.

You truly dont understand the affordable care act do you?

So be our teacher and tell us how it works.
And if you use terms such as "efficiency" or "lowers cost", I will know you haven't a clue.

 

[Foxfyre]

Okay folks, let's drag this train back onto the tracks. It should be the focus of every American who wants to get our economy back on track and start reversing some of the damage that has been done over the past three years.

Now I ask you. How was Obama's "You didn't build that" speech any different than the satricial spoof in this You Tube clip?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZQvSCGaJI]Honey, You Didn't Build That - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Bfgrn]

Granny doesn't need a hip replacement; the death panel ruled that she is a burden on the system and will be put to rest.

You truly dont understand the affordable care act do you?

So be our teacher and tell us how it works.
And if you use terms such as "efficiency" or "lowers cost", I will know you haven't a clue.

I just did answer your lack of knowledge on the 2 lies you posted. And instead of hitting the 'Quote' button, you cut that part of my answer out.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Obama's fascist care is exactly that, fascist. It is the merger of corporate interests and the state. .

yes but our liberals imagine themselves to be good fascists.

We see what BS it is when we read that 70% of Barry's Solyndra green energy money went to his bundlers, not to those who had the best shot at new green energy products!!

Anyone more interested can read "Liberal Fascism" for 400 pages of it. Here are some quote from the book.

W.E.B DuBois: (the most important black leader in the first half of the 20th Century) "Joseph Stalin was a great man; few other men of the 20th Century approach his stature. The formation of the Nazi dictatorship was absolutely necessary to get the state in order." In 1937 he proclaimed: "there is today more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past." (page 10)

-Guy Tugwell: (FDR Brain Trust) said of fascism: "It's the cleanest, neatest piece...of social machinery I've ever seen." ( page 11)

-Walter Lippman: called on FDR to be a "dictator." (page 11)

-H.G. Wells: "progressives must become "liberal fascists and enlightened Nazis" ( page 21)

-Wallace Stevens: "I am pro-Mussolini." ( page 27)

-Isaac F. Marcosson: in the NY Times, "Mussolini is a Latin Teddy
Roosevelt." ( page 27)

-American Legion: "do not forget, Fascists are to Italy what the American Legion is to America." ( page 27)

-Will Rogers: "I'm pretty high on Mussolini 'Dictatorship' is the right form of gov't if you have the right dictator." ( page 27)

-Saturday Evening Post: gave Mussolini biggest advance ever on article he wrote about himself. (page 32)

-Winston Churchill: dubbed Mussolini the world's greatest lawgiver (page 27)

-Freud and Einstein: called Mussolini the hero of Culture (Page 29)

-Puccini and Toscanini: both were pioneering Fascists of Mussolini (page 32)

-Ida Tarbell: called Mussolini the "despot with a dimple." ( page 28)

-Lincoln Steffens: about Russia -"I have seen the future and it works"
(page 28)

-McClures magazine: "Fascism is a 'great step forward' and the first new idea in govt' since the founding of the American Republic" ( page 28)

-John Patrick Duggins: Columbia University is "Fascism's veritable home in America and a school house for budding fascists ideologues." ( page 32)

-Nicholas Butler: (President of Columbia University) received a signed photo from Mussolini thanking him for his, "most valuable contribution to the promotion of understanding between Fascist Italy and the United States" ( page 29)

-James Farrell: (head of US Steel) Mussolini is the "greatest living man"

-Lowell Thomas: "he (Mussolini) stands out like a Modern Caesar - the answer to America's needs" (page 30)

-Jonah Goldberg; "communists and Nazis tended to vote together in the Reichstag" (page 77)

-Jonah Goldberg: "More dissidents were arrested under...Woodrow Wilson than Mussolini" ( page 80)

-Jonah Goldberg: "In Italy they were called Fascists; in Germany they were called Nazis; in America they were called progressives" (page 81)

-Woodrow Wilson: "The State does..whatever the times demand" (page 86)

-Jane Adams: "the individual must lose the sense of personal achievement" (page 87)

-Walter Rauschenbusch: "individualism means tyranny" (page 87)

-Woodrow Wilson: "our problem...to make kids as unlike their fathers as we can" (page 92)

-Woodrow Wilson: "Jefferson has passed...American is not a place for unrestricted individual enterprise" ( page 93).

-Woodrow Wilson: "Bismark's welfare state is the most perfected in the world" ( page 95)

-Charles Beard: "fascism is an amazing experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism" (page 100)

-Stuart Chase: "Communist Party officials...create a new heaven on earth" (page 102)

-W.E.B. Dubois: "I stand in wonder...I am a Bolshevik"

-Arthur Bullard: "Any citizen who did not put the state first is merely dead weight" ( page 110)

-Stuart Chase: "why should Russia have all the fun of remaking a world?" ( page 131)

-H.G. Wells : called for "a 'Phoenix Rebirth' of Liberalism under the banner of Liberal Fascism" ( page 134)

-George Orwell: (met FDR at White House often) "Much of what H.G. Wells has imagined and worked for is physically there in Nazi Germany"(page 135)

-Father Coughlin: "capitalism is doomed" (138)

-Nazi newspaper: described Roosevelt as a man of irreproachable, extremely responsible character and immovable will... with a profound understanding of social needs...with nationalist socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies" ( page 147)

-Mussolini: "America has a dictator in FDR" ( page 148)

-Rexford Tugwell: in 1934 "I find Italy doing many of the things which seem to me necessary" (page 156)

-NRA Study: "The Fascist principles are very similar to those which have been evolving in America and are of particular interest at this time" (page 156)

-Washington Post: headline -"Reagan Still Sure Some In New Deal Espoused Fascism" (page 157)

-Harry Hopkins: (new deal Communist) "that we (those in FDR Administration) are not afraid of exploring anything within the law, and we have lawyers who will declare anything you want to do legal" ( page 159)

-Jonah Goldberg: "in the 1960's Mao Tse-Tung's Little Red Book of revolutionary maxims became a best seller in America"

-Irving Louis Horowitz: "Fascism will return to the United States not as right wing ideology but almost as a quasi-leftist ideology" (page 198)

-John F Kennedy: "political labels and ideological approaches are irrelevant to the solution of today's challenges" ( page 211)

-Jonah Goldberg: "The Marxist explanation of Fascism was that it was the capitalist ruling classes' reaction to the treat of the ascendancy of the working class." (page 223)

-Sidney Webb: "no socialist eugenicist can be a Laissez Faire individualist... the result is this country gradually falling to the Jews and Irish" (page 249)

-H.G. Wells: "eugenics must be the central tenant of any true successful socialism" (page 249)

-Jonah Goldberg: "George Bernard Shaw was not only an ardent socialist but totally committed to eugenics" (page 249)

-John Maynard Keynes: "eugenics is the most important significant..and genuine branch of sociology" (page 250)

-Harold Laski: ( friend to FDR and other American Democrats) "Socialists have to inculcate that spirit which would give offenders against the state short shrift and the nearest lampost" (page 251)

-Charles Van Hise: "we know enough about eugenics so that if the knowledge were applied the defective classes would disappear within a generation" (page 256)

-Jonah Goldberg: "when the Nazi took over they replaced the traditional infrastructure of the state and churches with a Nazi monopoly on charity" (page 267)

-Jonah Goldberg: "Mein Kamph is replete with attacks on dividend hungry businessman whose greed, ruthlessness and short sighted narrow mindedness were ruining the economy. The Nazi Party labor union threatened to put business leaders in concentration camps if they didn't increase workers' wages" (page 288)

-Fortune Magazine: "the corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt" (page 293)

-Foreign Affairs: "The Italian (fascist) system treated workers better" ( page 295)

-Adolf Hitler: "Christianity will disappear from Germany just it has done in Russia" (page 365)

-Lawrence Tribe (Harvard Law School): religious views were inherently superstitious and hence less legitimate then secular ones" (page 366)

So then, if you were surprised to discover that American Democrats had a natural love affair with Communism, Socialism, and Fascism you have to wonder why. Was it due to your own failings or perhaps a liberal conspiracy in the schools and media to keep the information from you, or both. In any case, if you are still tempted to imagine that the caring, big gov't programs you support could not possibly lead to the horrors of Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin then you have to wonder how it is that Jefferson knew they would - 150 years earlier. What exactly did Jefferson know. Simple: he knew men and he knew human history. But, despite his wisdom, and the country he gave us base on that wisdom, the Democrats made the 20th Century the bloodiest of all centuries. Try to imagine what would be left of the world if Jeffersonian Republicans hadn't been there the whole time as the last best hope for freedom on earth.

 

[Wolfmoon]

"I did too built it!"

 

[thereisnospoon]

You truly dont understand the affordable care act do you?

So be our teacher and tell us how it works.
And if you use terms such as "efficiency" or "lowers cost", I will know you haven't a clue.

I just did answer your lack of knowledge on the 2 lies you posted. And instead of hitting the 'Quote' button, you cut that part of my answer out.

Hey fucko....I changed NOTHING....Here is the thread chain...
Don't ever fucking accuse me of changing or cutting out anything again.
And don't go thinking to you get to tell me what to do.



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Quote: Originally Posted by lukelk
Quote: Originally Posted by Uncensored2008
Quote: Originally Posted by GuyPinestra
And with that the kid's arm gets set for $6,000 instead of 8, but Granny's hip replacement get cancelled...

Helluva tradeoff, right?
Granny doesn't need a hip replacement; the death panel ruled that she is a burden on the system and will be put to rest.
You truly dont understand the affordable care act do you?
So be our teacher and tell us how it works.
And if you use terms such as "efficiency" or "lowers cost", I will know you haven't a clue.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith

For example, who can forget his (Galbraith's) infamous 1984 quote that the communist system in the former Soviet Union was superior to capitalism because, according to Galbraith, the communists somehow made better and more efficient use of its "manpower" than did the West? Indeed, to the very end, Galbraith was a socialist impersonating an economist.


John Kenneth Galbraith, an intellectual icon of the Old Left and New Left, said of the Soviets’ overtaking of Poland after World War II: “Russia should be permitted to absorb Poland, the Balkans, and the whole of Eastern Europe in order to spread the benefits of Communism” (Emphasis added).