You Could Be A Liberal If....

[Madeline]

Liberals calling themselves Progressives is a silly word game meant to put a happy sounding name on an Ideology most Americans do not like.

Actually, progressives and socialists (same thing, really) in the Democrat Party stole the term "liberal" --which meant libertarian when we had honest semantics-- back in the '20s, to obfuscate their real agenda.

There was a Libertarian Party in the 1920's?

 

[Charles_Main]

Liberals calling themselves Progressives is a silly word game meant to put a happy sounding name on an Ideology most Americans do not like.

Actually, progressives and socialists (same thing, really) in the Democrat Party stole the term "liberal" --which meant libertarian when we had honest semantics-- back in the '20s, to obfuscate their real agenda.

Exactly and Big Government Libs today try and claim our founders were Liberals. When in fact what they were was libertarians.

 

[Oddball]

Liberals calling themselves Progressives is a silly word game meant to put a happy sounding name on an Ideology most Americans do not like.

Actually, progressives and socialists (same thing, really) in the Democrat Party stole the term "liberal" --which meant libertarian when we had honest semantics-- back in the '20s, to obfuscate their real agenda.

There was a Libertarian Party in the 1920's?

 

[RDD_1210]

4. The best days of the United States are behind her.

This one stood out to me. Isn't this exactly the opposite? "Progressives" is a term often used to describe liberals would indicate that we are looking to the future and making progress and change

Just because you move forward toward change, does not mean things will get better.

So far this Change we have gotten is simply More Spending of Money we do not have, and more Debt obligations, and more intrusive Federal Government.

You can try and call that progress if you want, but the Majority of Americans do not agree.

Liberals calling themselves Progressives is a silly word game meant to put a happy sounding name on an Ideology most Americans do not like.

Whether or not you think things will get better of if you agree with progressive policies is irrelevant. Progressives think it will get better which means they think that better times for the country are ahead and thus the best America ever was is not behind us. That's the only point I was trying to make.

 

[Charles_Main]

This one stood out to me. Isn't this exactly the opposite? "Progressives" is a term often used to describe liberals would indicate that we are looking to the future and making progress and change

Just because you move forward toward change, does not mean things will get better.

So far this Change we have gotten is simply More Spending of Money we do not have, and more Debt obligations, and more intrusive Federal Government.

You can try and call that progress if you want, but the Majority of Americans do not agree.

Liberals calling themselves Progressives is a silly word game meant to put a happy sounding name on an Ideology most Americans do not like.

Whether or not you think things will get better of if you agree with progressive policies is irrelevant. Progressives think it will get better which means they think that better times for the country are ahead and thus the best America ever was is not behind us. That's the only point I was trying to make.

True enough. I think they are wrong, but I do not doubt they believe they are right.

 

[Charles_Main]

Liberals calling themselves Progressives is a silly word game meant to put a happy sounding name on an Ideology most Americans do not like.

Actually, progressives and socialists (same thing, really) in the Democrat Party stole the term "liberal" --which meant libertarian when we had honest semantics-- back in the '20s, to obfuscate their real agenda.

There was a Libertarian Party in the 1920's?

No, but there were people who believed in the basic principles of libertarianism. We call them our founders.

 

[daveman]

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.” JFK 1960

Funny how liberalism has turned into the very thing JFK said it wasn't, huh?

 

[Gadawg73]

You are defined by what YOU do and what you state YOU are going to do and what YOUR beliefs are.
The cheap and easy way is to attempt to define what OTHERS do and think, going around telling others what they SHOULD do. All that amounts to is rank supposition, the tool of the elite right wing.
They claim to be conservative and know everything about "liberals" yet have never lived the life of a conservative thus have no clue what one really is.

 

[editec]

As our friend Editec perused in a discussion of liberals and conservatives,

“Few of us can be easily described by a single word.

ESPECIALLY when the word no longer has a recognizable meaning that we can agree upon.”

So true.

When each side defines the others’ title, the definition is, not surprisingly, unacceptable…but if you agree with most or all of this list, you could be a liberal.

1. Choosing paper over plastic is a way to save the environment.

It might help a bit.

2. Senator Joseph McCarthy almost singlehandedly ruined America.

History suggests he was a drunken liar and redbaiting hatemonger. Nobody I know thinks he ruined America

3. Gore won.

Did he?

4. The best days of the United States are behind her.

Maybe.

5. J. Edgar Hoover was a cross-dresser.

ACtually I'm informed that is true.

6. Global warming is largely due to human beings.

Maybe. But I definitely think that global weirding is happening

7. FDR’s policies took us out of the Depression

WWII and the fact that superwealthy were paying 90% taxation right on through the 50s is more the way we got out of the depression

8. Raising taxes increases revenue

Increases revenues from taxation undoubtably.

9. Cheney and Libby ‘outed’ Valerie Plame.

Yes

10. The right has more of a propensity toward violence than the left.

The right sincerely hopes that is true, I suppose

And, it would be interesting to see your list that defines conservatives…just restrain your language.

I don't really think most of the above has much to do with liberal politics.

Certainly very little up on that list is a litmus test for liberalism.

 

[Gadawg73]

That list is a fairy tale.
J. Edgar was gay and had to live in the closet with his partner.
I am sure that Chic will also claim that is the fault of "liberals".

 

[topspin]

you could be a conservative if
1. you incorrectly think republicans are good for the stock market (it does .5% better under dem presidents)
2. you incorrectly think republicans are good for the economy (it does 1.1% higher GDP under dem presidents).

 

[rightwinger]

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.” JFK 1960

Funny how liberalism has turned into the very thing JFK said it wasn't, huh?

Just as in JFKs time, right wingnuts are trying to spin the definition of Liberalism to fit their agenda

 

[rightwinger]

That list is a fairy tale.
J. Edgar was gay and had to live in the closet with his partner.
I am sure that Chic will also claim that is the fault of "liberals".

Gay?

Why Hoover and Colson were just close man-friends. Who among us would not want to share living quarters and vacation with our boss?

Not that there is anything wrong with that

 

[Two Thumbs]

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.” JFK 1960

JFK went to war in Veit Nam to stop communism, that filthy war hawk, but since he's a liberal, it was ok to get more Americans killed in a week there than have died in Iraq/Afganistan.

How did libs go from;

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

to

Give me every thing I demand now!!

 

[Two Thumbs]

1. Choosing paper over plastic is a way to save the environment. -- No, not by itself. We need comprehensive, science based environmental controls and reforms.
2. Senator Joseph McCarthy almost singlehandedly ruined America. -- America has not been ruined and was never in any danger of it, but McCarthy was a vile fuckwhit.
3. Gore won. -- Fuck no, and thank God.
4. The best days of the United States are behind her. -- This makes no sense to me.
5. J. Edgar Hoover was a cross-dresser. -- So I have heard. I sincerely hope so.
6. Global warming is largely due to human beings. -- I dunno; pollution does seem to threaten the planet.
7. FDR’s policies took us out of the Depression -- along with WW II, yes.
8. Raising taxes increases revenue -- no, but permitting ever-greater concentrations of wealth in fewer hands whilst narrowing the middle class is a recipe for disaster.
9. Cheney and Libby ‘outed’ Valerie Plame. -- who in the hell is Valerie Plame?
10. The right has more of a propensity toward violence than the left. -- no, individuals and mobs can be violent on either side.

10. The right has more of a propensity toward violence than the left. -- no, individuals and mobs can be violent on either side.[/QUOTE]

Please list a single incedent in the last 100 years where a conservative mob rioted.

 

[Two Thumbs]

That list is a fairy tale.
J. Edgar was gay and had to live in the closet with his partner.
I am sure that Chic will also claim that is the fault of "liberals".

Gay?

Why Hoover and Colson were just close man-friends. Who among us would not want to share living quarters and vacation with our boss?

Not that there is anything wrong with that

If yer gonna take it in the ass from "the man", it might as well be from "The Man".