You Can't Understand ISIS If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia

[Picaro]

We've being hearing the BS about 'moderate Islam' for a long time now. Just accept the fact that there is no such thing, whether it's called 'Wahhabism' or any other silly sectional name.

 

[Peach]

They best place to start is actually 1187; Saladin, and Richard the Lionhearted.............many, many Muslims know the history............................

 

[Picaro]

They best place to start is actually 1187; Saladin, and Richard the Lionhearted.............many, many Muslims know the history............................

The best place to start is with Mo's slaughters and looting, and the spread of that into Europe, and being repulsed. The Crusades were a response to Islamic invasions and violence, and merely an attempt to recover lost provinces.

Many many Muslims are full of crap, and nobody cares what historical fantasy they like to peddle.

 

[Peach]

They best place to start is actually 1187; Saladin, and Richard the Lionhearted.............many, many Muslims know the history............................

The best place to start is with Mo's slaughters and looting, and the spread of that into Europe, and being repulsed. The Crusades were a response to Islamic invasions and violence, and merely an attempt to recover lost provinces.

Many many Muslims are full of crap, and nobody cares what historical fantasy they like to peddle.

Not a fantasy; Richard the Lionhearted slaughtered thousands of men women and children when Saladin could not pay a ransom; on the other Saladin let many of his prisoners go.............women, children, the elderly......that is why the term "crusade", associated with invasion of Iraq, ignited a fire in the Muslim world.

 

[Picaro]

They best place to start is actually 1187; Saladin, and Richard the Lionhearted.............many, many Muslims know the history............................

The best place to start is with Mo's slaughters and looting, and the spread of that into Europe, and being repulsed. The Crusades were a response to Islamic invasions and violence, and merely an attempt to recover lost provinces.

Many many Muslims are full of crap, and nobody cares what historical fantasy they like to peddle.

Not a fantasy; Richard the Lionhearted slaughtered thousands of men women and children when Saladin could not pay a ransom; on the other Saladin let many of his prisoners go.............women, children, the elderly......that is why the term "crusade", associated with invasion of Iraq, ignited a fire in the Muslim world.

You either don't get what I said, or are probably deliberately avoiding answering truthfully. Islam spent the previous 600 years or so before 'the Crusades' butchering and invading the West, and the only reason they were 'upset' about the Crusaders is because they were moderately successful, not for any faux horror over the slaughter of anybody else. The claim is ridiculous that they had any such moral outrage over slaughter; it's their entire history, before and after the Crusades. You're worse at history than you were with the crazy TV Lawyer Show nonsense in the Ferguson threads. Saladin had political reasons for 'sparing' some, not some moral objection to mass murder; such moral objections don't exist in Islamic culture, and never have.

 

[Peach]

Read up on the subject; I already learned from the scholars. Saladin's brother encouraged him in sparing the 'innocent'. Did SOME early Muslim groups participate in slaughter? Yes, primarily of those who are not "people of the book". Chriatians and Jews ARE.

 

[Picaro]

Read up on the subject; I already learned from the scholars.

lol no, you didn't, you just repeated silly nonsense about 'the Crusades n stuff', as if that was why Islamists are a herd of violent sociopaths, when it clearly wasn't.

Saladin's brother encouraged him in sparing the 'innocent'. Did SOME early Muslim groups participate in slaughter? Yes, primarily of those who are not "people of the book". Chriatians and Jews ARE.

Is that the story line in the comic books you read? Hilarious.

 

[Peach]

Annamarie Schimmel, Bailyn, and Lord all went into the Crusades at LENGTH.

 

[Richard-H]

Getting to know foreign cultures may be very interesting and serve a purpose as long as there is some chance for peaceful relations, but in the case of radical Islam, which has no tolerance for pluralism, we have no alternative but to annihilate them. Because if we do not they will annihilate us.

It seems incredible, but at the height of Arabic society, they were extremely tolerant towards people of other religions and ethic origins. This philosophy of absolute intolerance does not correlate with Arab society historically.

It seems that when Arab society was the most tolerant, they were the most successful, but the less tolerant they are the less successful they are as a society.

 

[Peach]

Getting to know foreign cultures may be very interesting and serve a purpose as long as there is some chance for peaceful relations, but in the case of radical Islam, which has no tolerance for pluralism, we have no alternative but to annihilate them. Because if we do not they will annihilate us.

It seems incredible, but at the height of Arabic society, they were extremely tolerant towards people of other religions and ethic origins. This philosophy of absolute intolerance does not correlate with Arab society historically.

It seems that when Arab society was the most tolerant, they were the most successful, but the less tolerant they are the less successful they are as a society.

There have been large periods of history wherein Muslims were persecuted. They learned from the Masters, those who first persecuted them. ISIS like many radical off shoots, is a product of what Muslim cultures FEAR, Western invasion, subjugation, and theft. Invading Iraq gave radical Islam food for the next several centuries.

 

[Sally]

Getting to know foreign cultures may be very interesting and serve a purpose as long as there is some chance for peaceful relations, but in the case of radical Islam, which has no tolerance for pluralism, we have no alternative but to annihilate them. Because if we do not they will annihilate us.

It seems incredible, but at the height of Arabic society, they were extremely tolerant towards people of other religions and ethic origins. This philosophy of absolute intolerance does not correlate with Arab society historically.

It seems that when Arab society was the most tolerant, they were the most successful, but the less tolerant they are the less successful they are as a society.

There have been large periods of history wherein Muslims were persecuted. They learned from the Masters, those who first persecuted them. ISIS like many radical off shoots, is a product of what Muslim cultures FEAR, Western invasion, subjugation, and theft. Invading Iraq gave radical Islam food for the next several centuries.

We also have to remember that when they left the Saudi Peninsula, they were the invading force into the surrounding countries and they forced many people into Islam and killed many who refused. Now the people whose ancestors were lucky enough to survive the onslaught can't even practice their religious beliefs in peace. Google History of Jihad.

 

[Picaro]

It seems incredible, but at the height of Arabic society, they were extremely tolerant towards people of other religions and ethic origins. This philosophy of absolute intolerance does not correlate with Arab society historically.

Lol, no they weren't, not ever; they were never 'extremely tolerant' of anybody. They regarded non-Muslims as third class citizens, with few rights and little or no redress from the legal systems. This narrative of 'Islamic Tolerance' is a load of nonsense.

It seems that when Arab society was the most tolerant, they were the most successful, but the less tolerant they are the less successful they are as a society.

They were a parasitic culture, and promptly sank into stagnation when the educated among their conquered peoples were reduced to poverty and illiteracy within one or two generations after being conquered, and remained a stagnant slave culture for centuries.

There have been large periods of history wherein Muslims were persecuted. They learned from the Masters, those who first persecuted them.

More nonsense with zero basis in historical fact.

ISIS like many radical off shoots, is a product of what Muslim cultures FEAR, Western invasion, subjugation, and theft. Invading Iraq gave radical Islam food for the next several centuries.

Scum like IISIS are the historical norm for Islamic culture. The last couple of centuries they've had Western cultures sitting on them, which accounts for their relative lack of noise making and plundering and murder rampages. With the Western retreat from the area, they are merely reverting to their normal cultural mores unrestrained by outsiders with more sophisticated weapons and militaries.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Getting to know foreign cultures may be very interesting and serve a purpose as long as there is some chance for peaceful relations, but in the case of radical Islam, which has no tolerance for pluralism, we have no alternative but to annihilate them. Because if we do not they will annihilate us.

It seems incredible, but at the height of Arabic society, they were extremely tolerant towards people of other religions and ethic origins. This philosophy of absolute intolerance does not correlate with Arab society historically.

It seems that when Arab society was the most tolerant, they were the most successful, but the less tolerant they are the less successful they are as a society.

It is impossible to annihilate an idea, especially so if it is a religious belief. If you try you just make it even stronger. The bogus "war on terror" was one of the dumbest moves this nation ever made because it promoted terrorists from criminals into combatents worthy of engaging the military.

The result of that stupidity is that we now have to deal with militant terrorists. They don't deserve to face US troops on the battlefield. Instead they need to live in fear that they will be struck down by a bolt from the sky. Anything more than that is just a waste of taxpayer dollars in my opinion.