Saw the 2 threads. "Can't help the poor with tax cuts" and "Can't help the poor with tax increases". Both are true. Because you can't help the poor with either, until the poor INDIVIDUAL is ready to no longer be poor!!! "The Poor" isn't a group. It's a mass of individuals, with various individual work ethics, criminal records, skills or lack thereof. The more comfortable we make an individual in his poverty, they less likely he is to rise above it. The less comfortable we make the mass of "The Poor", the more likely some will rise above it, while others will suffer more than they would have in comfort. So what do we do? Make them uncomfortable? Thus guaranteeing more rise above it? Or make the mass of them comfortable in poverty, guaranteeing less of them rise above it? If a person drops out of school, does drugs, is lazy, commits crime, has horrible priorities, or is just all around a shitbag of a person, well, at what point do we just say "Sorry dude, you are doing NOTHING to help yourself." And leave it at that. The gov't CANNOT change a persons work ethic or values. A handout check wont do that. Neither will a lack of one. But if we make poverty comfortable, you can be sure less people will flee it.