You Can't be Helped if you Don't Admit Your Problem

[Unkotare]

You conspiracy nuts realize you are suffering from mental illness, right?




Why People Believe Conspiracy Theories: Scientific American

 

[S.J.]

Are you saying that every single conspiracy theory has been bogus?

 

[Mr. H.]

On Wednesday, May 16, I spent several hours on a hot bus in a neon desert called Las Vegas with a merry band of British conspiracists during their journey around the Southwest in search of UFOs, aliens, Area 51 and government cover-ups, all for a BBC documentary...

How blithe.

 

[S.J.]

On Wednesday, May 16, I spent several hours on a hot bus in a neon desert called Las Vegas with a merry band of British conspiracists during their journey around the Southwest in search of UFOs, aliens, Area 51 and government cover-ups, all for a BBC documentary...

How blithe.

You should have messed with 'em and said you were abducted. You could have given 'em something to talk about when they got back to jolly old England.

 

[SAYIT]

Are you saying that every single conspiracy theory has been bogus?

That is the simple, black or white defense mech of the CT (and I don't know that you are one).
Just because one sees CT loons as they are (very sick peeps) doesn't mean one can't discern real conspiracies. The silly crap this board's CTs toss on the wall in hopes of something sticking is not (most often) just CTBS. Sometimes it's mean-spirited, disgusting and downright dangerous. They cry "wolf!" so often and so ludicrously the word no longer has meaning.

The Inner Worlds of Conspiracy Believers - US News and World Report

A team led by psychologist Viren Swami of the University of Westminster in London identified several traits associated with subscribing to 9/11 conspiracies, at least among British citizens. These characteristics consist of backing one or more conspiracy theories unrelated to 9/11, frequently talking about 9/11 conspiracy beliefs with likeminded friends and others, taking a cynical stance toward politics, mistrusting authority, endorsing democratic practices, feeling generally suspicious toward others and displaying an inquisitive, imaginative outlook.

“Often, the proof offered as evidence for a conspiracy is not specific to one incident or issue, but is used to justify a general pattern of conspiracy ideas,” Swami says.

His conclusion echoes a 1994 proposal by sociologist Ted Goertzel of Rutgers–Camden in New Jersey. After conducting random telephone interviews of 347 New Jersey residents, Goertzel proposed that each of a person’s convictions about secret plots serves as evidence for other conspiracy beliefs, bypassing any need for confirming evidence.

A belief that the government is covering up its involvement in the 9/11 attacks thus feeds the idea that the government is also hiding evidence of extraterrestrial contacts or that John F. Kennedy was not killed by a lone gunman.

 

[editec]

A whole LOT of us remember when the GULF OF TONKIEN conspiracy theorists were considered nuts.

Nuff said?

 

[SAYIT]

A whole LOT of us remember when the GULF OF TONKIEN conspiracy theorists were considered nuts.

Nuff said?

Is that your way of justifying the mountain of silly, baseless CTs that foul our environment?
The fact that GoT was a gov't black-op doesn't mean that everything is. It simply means some peeps are capable of committing them. It is one thing to be skeptical and vigil. It's another to be silly and childish.

 

[Mr. H.]

A whole LOT of us remember when the GULF OF TONKIEN conspiracy theorists were considered nuts.

Nuff said?

Tell us about your hydraulic fracturing CT.

 

[Unkotare]

Conspiracy Theories Explained | Psychology Today

 

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Conspiracy Theories Explained | Psychology Today

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYE-IYM9v4I]Psychologists Explain 9/11 Denial - Part 1 of 2 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[PredFan]

I have been as critical as just about anyone in regards to Conspiracy theories about 9-11, a faked moon landing, and the JFK assassination. There are crazies out there amongst them (9-11insidejob is a good example), but I would say that most of them are quite sane. They just believe differently. Hell, imo, belief in obama and the progressive policies is crazier than any CT I've heard (the aformentioned 9-11IJ notwithstanding).

I don't agree with them but that doesn't make them sick. Most psychologists are full of shit anyway. i take what any of them say with a very large grain of salt.

 

[Mad Scientist]

The idea that Rich and Powerful People, Corporations and Governments would actually get together and plan something is utterly ridiculous!

And anyone who even thinks so should be Evaluated by Medical Professionals and have their guns taken away.

 

[daws101]

The idea that Rich and Powerful People, Corporations and Governments would actually get together and plan something is utterly ridiculous!

And anyone who even thinks so should be Evaluated by Medical Professionals and have their guns taken away.

using that logic any two people who plan anything are
conspirators.
conspiracies happen all the time.
just not the ones ct's wish did.

 

[Mad Scientist]

The idea that Rich and Powerful People, Corporations and Governments would actually get together and plan something is utterly ridiculous!

And anyone who even thinks so should be Evaluated by Medical Professionals and have their guns taken away.

using that logic any two people who plan anything are conspirators.

Isn't that the very definition of Conspiracy? Now attaching "Theory" to it makes it seem like it's an unsettled subject amirite?

So let me ask you this: Is the Idea that there is a "New World Order" a "Conspiracy Theory" or not? And is the idea that the Federal Reserve is a Private Bank and not Government run a "Conspiracy Theory" or not?

 

[SAYIT]

I have been as critical as just about anyone in regards to Conspiracy theories about 9-11, a faked moon landing, and the JFK assassination. There are crazies out there amongst them (9-11insidejob is a good example), but I would say that most of them are quite sane. They just believe differently. Hell, imo, belief in obama and the progressive policies is crazier than any CT I've heard (the aformentioned 9-11IJ notwithstanding).

I don't agree with them but that doesn't make them sick. Most psychologists are full of shit anyway. i take what any of them say with a very large grain of salt.

I may say the CTs are nuts for the humor but there really isn't any evidence that they are. In fact, the few psych studies done have turned up just a few commonalities among them:
1) a significant distrust of "the establishment" (gov't, media, etc.).
2) belief in more than 1 CT or even all CTs.
3) communication with other CTs
A significant number (not all) seem to exhibit serious paranoia but that's just my observation and many 9/11 CTs seem to have an ulterior motive driving their belief in a 9/11 CT (again, just my observation).

 

[daws101]

The idea that Rich and Powerful People, Corporations and Governments would actually get together and plan something is utterly ridiculous!

And anyone who even thinks so should be Evaluated by Medical Professionals and have their guns taken away.

using that logic any two people who plan anything are conspirators.

Isn't that the very definition of Conspiracy? Now attaching "Theory" to it makes it seem like it's an unsettled subject amirite?

So let me ask you this: Is the Idea that there is a "New World Order" a "Conspiracy Theory" or not? And is the idea that the Federal Reserve is a Private Bank and not Government run a "Conspiracy Theory" or not?

every four to eight years there is a new world order... the new world order you're talking about is a old as the first prophesy mentioning a messiah.



THE FED.

By: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.
Facts: Yes, the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board. In addition, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.

Facts: No foreigners own any part of the Fed. Each Federal Reserve bank is owned exclusively by the participating commercial banks and S&Ls operating within the Federal Reserve bank's district. Individuals and non-bank firms, be they foreign or domestic, are not permitted by law to own any shares of a Federal Reserve bank. Moreover, monetary policy is controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors, not by the Federal Reserve banks.

Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.

Facts: The Federal Reserve rebates its net earnings to the Treasury every year. Consequently, the interest the Treasury pays to the Fed is returned, so the money borrowed from the Fed has no net interest obligation for the Treasury. The government could print its own currency independent of the Fed, but there would be no effective safeguards against abuse of this power for political gain.

Facts: The Federal Reserve banks have only a small share of the total national debt (about 7%). Therefore, only a small share of the interest on the debt goes to the Fed. Regardless, the Fed rebates that interest to the Treasury every year, so the debt held by the Fed carries no net interest obligation for the government. In addition, it is Congress, not the Federal Reserve, who is responsible for the federal budget and the national debt.

Facts: Kennedy wrote E.O. 11,110 to phase out silver certificate currency, not to issue more of it. Records show Kennedy and the Federal Reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters. He even signed legislation to give the Fed more authority to issue currency.

Facts: McFadden was incorrect regarding the Fed costing the government money. However, later economic analysis agrees with him that Federal Reserve policy blunders had a substantial role in causing the Depression. However, his implication that this was done deliberately has no basis in fact. Moreover, for a dozen years prior to his rant, McFadden had been the chairman of the House subcommittee that oversaw the Federal Reserve. Why didn't he do anything to reform or abolish the Fed while he had the chance?

Facts: The banking system is indeed able to create money with a mere computer keystroke. However, a bank's ability to create money is tied directly to the amount of reserves customers have deposited there. A bank must pay a competitive interest rate on those deposits to keep them from leaving to other banks. This interest expense alone is a substantial portion of a bank's operating costs and is de facto proof a bank cannot costlessly create money.

Fact: The term 'lawful money' does not refer to gold or silver coin, but to types of money which the government would permit banks to use when tabulating their reserves. These types of money included, but were not limited to, gold and silver coin.

BY: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.
•Myth #1: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was crafted by Wall Street bankers and a few senators in a secret meeting.
•Myth #2: The Federal Reserve Act never actually passed Congress. The Senate voted on the bill without a quorum, so the Act is null and void.
•Myth# 3: The Federal Reserve Act and paper money are unconstitutional.
•Myth# 4: The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank.
•Myth #5: The Federal Reserve is owned and controlled by foreigners.
•Myth #6: The Federal Reserve has never been audited.
•Myth #7: The Federal Reserve charges interest on the currency we use.
•Myth #8: If it were not for the Federal Reserve charging the government interest, the budget would be balanced and we would have no national debt.
•Myth #9: President Kennedy was assassinated because he tried to usurp the Federal Reserve's power. Executive Order 11,110 proves it.
•Myth #10. The Legendary Tirade of Louis T. McFadden


PublicEye.org - The Website of Political Research Associates

 

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8]Kennedy Speech Conspiracy Secret Societies - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mad Scientist]

I like the fact that you visit Progressive (Communist) sites but they have it wrong. Did you read it or just copy/paste it like a typical lazy American?

Facts: Yes, the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board.

How does the President know WHO to nominate? The Fed tells him.

In addition, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.

I had this conversation with Toro a while back. Toro said that the Fed received 78 Billion in interest and paybacks from the loans it made to foreign banks. Which sounds like a big number on it's face but when you consider that the Fed actually loaned out 7.77 Trillion, it's gonna' take at least 100 years to get all the money back. Can YOU get a 100 year loan? No.

Facts: No foreigners own any part of the Fed.

Except for the Rothschild Family in London and Germany and, the Warburgs in Germany. But of course you can just dismiss all that by calling it a "Conspiracy Theory".

 

[Unkotare]

Is there a doctor in the house?