You Anti-Colectiv Bargainin People Unleashin Forces Yu Won’t Like!

Jim, put down whatever questionable substance you're ingesting, and listen. First of all, there is NO "right to bargain collectively" under the Constitution of the United States, which is the sole authority for what "rights" people do and don't have in America. You are aware, I hope, that that territory known as Pennsylvania is a part of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of said constitution; and a presume that you also know that the States of Wisconsin and Ohio are part of the United States and therefore also subject to the jurisdiction of the same.

Second, you as much as admit the Constitution of the United States grants NO "right to bargain collectively" when you threaten that passage of these bills "will result in the American people amending the constitution to expressly provide such a right in the constitution". IF the Constitution grants any such right, you wouldn't need to amend it, and if it doesn't, then you have no such "right" at present. Hence the legislatures of Wisconsin, Ohio, and any other state(s) have a lawful right to enact the proposed legislation, whether you, the union, or your political allies like it or not. In spite of the ignorance demonstrated by your inconsistent verbal defecations above, I believe you know this, which is why you also make implied implied threats of violence and revolution resulting later.

Third, I live in a right to work state, and the workers here haven't ever had a closed union shop. They have yet to riot over it, much less start a revolt, so I think can deduce that these workers find the lack of a "right to bargain collectively" considerably less of an inconvenience than you do. Why, they haven't even tried to amend the STATE constitution to create such a "right" for themselves; imagine that! As far as the "Revolution" idea goes, your dope-smoking progenitors threatened the same back in the sixties; never happened. They, and I suspect, you, couldn't foment a successful revolution in the lowliest, two-bit banana republic on earth, much less here.

Now, unless you have something more to add, (besides verbal flatus) go chill out, accept the will of the majority, and find something more educational to read than the Huffy Puffy Post; who knows, you might even learn enough to hold a real job where your work is of sufficient value for you to ask your boss for a raise, and have some chance of getting one.

He won't have to foment revolution, the government will do that for him. Join the Day of Rage in Washington D.C on June 30, 2011!
 
Jim, put down whatever questionable substance you're ingesting, and listen. First of all, there is NO "right to bargain collectively" under the Constitution of the United States, which is the sole authority for what "rights" people do and don't have in America. You are aware, I hope, that that territory known as Pennsylvania is a part of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of said constitution; and a presume that you also know that the States of Wisconsin and Ohio are part of the United States and therefore also subject to the jurisdiction of the same.

Second, you as much as admit the Constitution of the United States grants NO "right to bargain collectively" when you threaten that passage of these bills "will result in the American people amending the constitution to expressly provide such a right in the constitution". IF the Constitution grants any such right, you wouldn't need to amend it, and if it doesn't, then you have no such "right" at present. Hence the legislatures of Wisconsin, Ohio, and any other state(s) have a lawful right to enact the proposed legislation, whether you, the union, or your political allies like it or not. In spite of the ignorance demonstrated by your inconsistent verbal defecations above, I believe you know this, which is why you also make implied implied threats of violence and revolution resulting later.

Third, I live in a right to work state, and the workers here haven't ever had a closed union shop. They have yet to riot over it, much less start a revolt, so I think can deduce that these workers find the lack of a "right to bargain collectively" considerably less of an inconvenience than you do. Why, they haven't even tried to amend the STATE constitution to create such a "right" for themselves; imagine that! As far as the "Revolution" idea goes, your dope-smoking progenitors threatened the same back in the sixties; never happened. They, and I suspect, you, couldn't foment a successful revolution in the lowliest, two-bit banana republic on earth, much less here.

Now, unless you have something more to add, (besides verbal flatus) go chill out, accept the will of the majority, and find something more educational to read than the Huffy Puffy Post; who knows, you might even learn enough to hold a real job where your work is of sufficient value for you to ask your boss for a raise, and have some chance of getting one.

He won't have to foment revolution, the government will do that for him. Join the Day of Rage in Washington D.C on June 30, 2011!

Really? ANOTHER one? You know, I can recall being promised any number of those long ago; fizzled like a wet firecracker, the lot of them. Silly child, go back to your fantasies of the coming Great Revolt of the Proletariat; believe me, fantasies is as close as you're ever going to get.
 
You Anti-Collective Bargaining people with your agenda begun with your legislative initiatives in Wisconsin and Ohio are opening a Pandora’s box with the “anger” you will be unleashing among public workers and their families when the results of your efforts begun to be really felt by these individuals, it is guaranteed you won’t like the results! The one major issue that surprisingly does not seem to be resolved on this whole subject is that the “collective bargaining right” is a natural, fundamental right. They are just like the right to free speech, the right to have a say in who governs you (vote)! This phony debate that the “collective bargaining” right is a privilege not a right is without merit. A privilege is a permission to drive a car or a permission to hunt with a gun, the “collective bargaining” right is not permission like these it is a much more serious permission. A right, like free speech, right to vote, privacy rights, etc. is a permission or a protection that is not only important but integral to living (that is human life). The right of “collective bargaining” is integral to human life, because it is integral to a person’s job (who works under a collective bargaining agreement) and a job is essential to human life it enables a person to buy food, clothing, shelter, medical care, etc.. A collective bargaining right is integral to a person’s job (who has a collective bargaining agreement) because it is integral in determining wages, benefits, working conditions and conditions of termination and due to the nature of the management/worker relationship it is necessary to allow the worker to have such permission to join with his or her coworker to obtain fair terms on these listed aspects of a job – remember unless you have a collective-bargaining agreement essentially management has all the power they can set the wages, benefits, working conditions, terms of termination as “they so chose”. A worker is either a worker under a “contract for a term” or an “at will” employee and most workers that don’t work under a “collective bargaining” agreement are “at will” employees which means they practically have no power there is a huge imbalance of power in favor of management in these relationships and the right of “collective bargaining” gives the worker a fair chance to get fair terms of employment and it is the only reality that exists that can give a worker that fair chance!

If the right wing of the Republican Party keeps up with their agenda here to take away workers right to “collective bargain” they are going to cause a backlash in America which will result in the American people amending the constitution to expressly provide such a right in the constitution. This right is so important to enough working Americans that it will surely happen and in the process Republican candidates will lose many elections over the matter!

The individual politicians behind these legislative initiatives taking away “collective bargaining” rights aren’t thinking to clearly. The clever designs of these legislative bills in Wisconsin and Ohio will offer no protection to these politicians, these bills are taking away public workers right to “collectively bargain” that is the bottom line. Governor Scott Walker and Governor John Kasich will be forever linked with these bills if they become law in their respective states and they will be held fully responsible along with leaders in their respective legislature. It may not happen immediately but eight to ten years down the road when the full effects of taking away these workers rights is fully felt I fear some hurt worker will take a gun and shoot one of these responsible parties! This writer does not advocate such violence, this writer is a staunch believer that good Americans work within the system to bring about change, resorting to violence is un-American. Nevertheless, history in America has shown when workers are hurt bad they sometimes don’t think rationally and at times they have resorted to violence, that is why it has been written that these “anti-collective bargaining” people are opening a “Pandora’s box” with their actions here!

Long post. Ill hit on a few points:

1) Thank you for admitting that the so called "anger" over this is manufactured and not real.
2) Collective bargaining is hardly integral to human life. If it was, it would have been created thousands of years ago instead of merely 120 years ago.
3) The reality is most people don't give a damn about collective bargaining because so few people actually use it in this nation.

If you please 94% of taxpayers by lowering the drain on their money while angering 6% people who are actually affected by collective bargaining, you are guarenteed to come out on top.

Oh and being violent against the people really doesnt endear them to you.
 
If a man gets a fulness of the priesthood of God he has to get it in the same way Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord. . . There are a great many wise men and women too in our midsts who are too wise to be taught; therefore they must die in their ignorance, and in the resurrection they will find their mistake - Joseph Smith, Jr.

Joseph Smith -Another religious kook who killed people because he believed God talked to him. The man was a delusional murderer no different than Jim Jones who killed dozens of innocents and he will be the one that discovers his wisdom was folly in the eyes of God.

And, the reason we didn't have collective bargaining thousands of years ago was because the people believed Kigs were appointed by God and the earth was flat and witches were real. Fortunately our fathers saw the evil of the robber baron and fought it for the sake of their children. We now owe them a debt or graditude for sacrificing their blood for us.

Because of this children were not factory slaves and parents could provide a house and food for them. The fight for human dignity has gone on through the centuries for us to get where we are today.
 

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