You, americans got serious problem

[Eugene]

it would be a billion times safer if Russia didnt exist also

If Russia didn't exist European civilization would hardly survive.
- in 12th century mongols were stopped by Rus' who resisted for 2 centuries and defeated them at last.
- in ww2 no one could stop Hitler but Russians did it and liberated Europe...Americans came by the moment of sharing the pie. Brits sat on their island all war long. French resisted for 2 weeks. Most of others preferred to obey Hitler.

I could also mention Napoleon as the most significant impact he got in 1812 after defeat in Russian campaign, but he wasn't an existential threat on my mind.

Looks like time is coming when Russia has to save the world once more...

 

[Harry Dresden]

it would be a billion times safer if Russia didnt exist also

If Russia didn't exist European civilization would hardly survive.
- in 12th century mongols were stopped by Rus' who resisted for 2 centuries and defeated them at last.
- in ww2 no one could stop Hitler but Russians did it and liberated Europe...Americans came by the moment of sharing the pie. Brits sat on their island all war long. French resisted for 2 weeks. Most of others preferred to obey Hitler.

I could also mention Napoleon as the most significant impact he got in 1812 after defeat in Russian campaign, but he wasn't an existential threat on my mind.

Looks like time is coming when Russia has to save the world once more...

of course you would believe that.....what choice do you have?...

 

[Eugene]

it would be a billion times safer if Russia didnt exist also

If Russia didn't exist European civilization would hardly survive.
- in 12th century mongols were stopped by Rus' who resisted for 2 centuries and defeated them at last.
- in ww2 no one could stop Hitler but Russians did it and liberated Europe...Americans came by the moment of sharing the pie. Brits sat on their island all war long. French resisted for 2 weeks. Most of others preferred to obey Hitler.

I could also mention Napoleon as the most significant impact he got in 1812 after defeat in Russian campaign, but he wasn't an existential threat on my mind.

Looks like time is coming when Russia has to save the world once more...

of course you would believe that.....what choice do you have?...

Simply try to learn history. All those facts are well known.
But I am sure you living in "exceptional country" (which means in "fascist country" for me) have no choice to believe something else but exceptional and most progressive role of the USA.

 

[eagle1462010]

Number of deaths in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia

Estimates of the number of deaths attributable to Joseph Stalin vary widely. Record-keeping of the executions of political prisoners and ethnic minorities are regarded as neither reliable nor complete.[1] Historians working after the Soviet Union's dissolution have estimated victim totals ranging from approximately 3 million[2][3][4] to nearly 9 million.[5][6] Some claim the death toll could be 20 to 30 million.[7][8][9]

Before the 1991 dissolution of the Soviet Union, researchers who attempted to count the number of people killed during the period of Stalin produced estimates ranging from 2 to 60 million.[10] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[11] around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement – with a total of about 2.9 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[12]

Gulag[edit]
According to official Soviet estimates, more than 14 million people passed through the Gulag from 1929 to 1953, with a further 7 to 8 million being deported and exiled to remote areas of the Soviet Union (including entire nationalities in several cases).[13] According to a 1993 study of archival Soviet data, a total of 1,053,829 people died in the Gulag from 1934 to 1953 (there is no archival data for the period 1919–1934).[2] However, taking into account the likelihood of unreliable record keeping, and the fact that it was common practice to release prisoners who were either suffering from incurable diseases or near death,[14] non-state estimates of the actual Gulag death toll are usually higher. Golfo Alexopoulos, history professor at the University of South Florida, believes that at least 6 million people died as a result of their detention in the gulags[15]

Soviet famine of 1932–33[edit]
Some have also included the deaths of 6 to 7 million people in the 1932–1933 famine among the victims of repression during the period of Stalin.

Soviet famine of 1946–47
famine resulted in an estimated 1 to 1.5 million lives lost in addition to secondary population losses due to reduced fertility.[34]



We could go on but this thread is not about Stalin..............Stalin was a butcher.......and resulted in millions dying in Russia......
Anyone who he perceived as a threat including old friends were killed.

 

[eagle1462010]

In America we have a problem..............We are divided............Left versus right and it's getting ugly...............

Don't butt in............we are busy beating ourselves over the head and don't need interruptions while we do so...........

Just sit back and have some vodka and popcorn and enjoy the show.

 

[Stratford57]

Number of deaths in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia

Estimates of the number of deaths attributable to Joseph Stalin vary widely. Record-keeping of the executions of political prisoners and ethnic minorities are regarded as neither reliable nor complete.[1] Historians working after the Soviet Union's dissolution have estimated victim totals ranging from approximately 3 million[2][3][4] to nearly 9 million.[5][6] Some claim the death toll could be 20 to 30 million.[7][8][9]

Before the 1991 dissolution of the Soviet Union, researchers who attempted to count the number of people killed during the period of Stalin produced estimates ranging from 2 to 60 million.[10] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[11] around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement – with a total of about 2.9 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[12]

Gulag[edit]
According to official Soviet estimates, more than 14 million people passed through the Gulag from 1929 to 1953, with a further 7 to 8 million being deported and exiled to remote areas of the Soviet Union (including entire nationalities in several cases).[13] According to a 1993 study of archival Soviet data, a total of 1,053,829 people died in the Gulag from 1934 to 1953 (there is no archival data for the period 1919–1934).[2] However, taking into account the likelihood of unreliable record keeping, and the fact that it was common practice to release prisoners who were either suffering from incurable diseases or near death,[14] non-state estimates of the actual Gulag death toll are usually higher. Golfo Alexopoulos, history professor at the University of South Florida, believes that at least 6 million people died as a result of their detention in the gulags[15]

Soviet famine of 1932–33[edit]
Some have also included the deaths of 6 to 7 million people in the 1932–1933 famine among the victims of repression during the period of Stalin.

Soviet famine of 1946–47
famine resulted in an estimated 1 to 1.5 million lives lost in addition to secondary population losses due to reduced fertility.[34]



We could go on but this thread is not about Stalin..............Stalin was a butcher.......and resulted in millions dying in Russia......
Anyone who he perceived as a threat including old friends were killed.

Both Wikipedia and Google are extremely biased when it comes to Russia and Ukraine. In fact, there are lots of lies Western audience is supposed to believe but the residents of USSR, Russia and Ukraine can recognize very simply.

However some of the facts you've presented are partially true.

 

[Harry Dresden]

it would be a billion times safer if Russia didnt exist also

If Russia didn't exist European civilization would hardly survive.
- in 12th century mongols were stopped by Rus' who resisted for 2 centuries and defeated them at last.
- in ww2 no one could stop Hitler but Russians did it and liberated Europe...Americans came by the moment of sharing the pie. Brits sat on their island all war long. French resisted for 2 weeks. Most of others preferred to obey Hitler.

I could also mention Napoleon as the most significant impact he got in 1812 after defeat in Russian campaign, but he wasn't an existential threat on my mind.

Looks like time is coming when Russia has to save the world once more...

of course you would believe that.....what choice do you have?...

Simply try to learn history. All those facts are well known.
But I am sure you living in "exceptional country" (which means in "fascist country" for me) have no choice to believe something else but exceptional and most progressive role of the USA.

im sure your country is just as "fascist".....

 

[eagle1462010]

Number of deaths in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia

Estimates of the number of deaths attributable to Joseph Stalin vary widely. Record-keeping of the executions of political prisoners and ethnic minorities are regarded as neither reliable nor complete.[1] Historians working after the Soviet Union's dissolution have estimated victim totals ranging from approximately 3 million[2][3][4] to nearly 9 million.[5][6] Some claim the death toll could be 20 to 30 million.[7][8][9]

Before the 1991 dissolution of the Soviet Union, researchers who attempted to count the number of people killed during the period of Stalin produced estimates ranging from 2 to 60 million.[10] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[11] around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement – with a total of about 2.9 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[12]

Gulag[edit]
According to official Soviet estimates, more than 14 million people passed through the Gulag from 1929 to 1953, with a further 7 to 8 million being deported and exiled to remote areas of the Soviet Union (including entire nationalities in several cases).[13] According to a 1993 study of archival Soviet data, a total of 1,053,829 people died in the Gulag from 1934 to 1953 (there is no archival data for the period 1919–1934).[2] However, taking into account the likelihood of unreliable record keeping, and the fact that it was common practice to release prisoners who were either suffering from incurable diseases or near death,[14] non-state estimates of the actual Gulag death toll are usually higher. Golfo Alexopoulos, history professor at the University of South Florida, believes that at least 6 million people died as a result of their detention in the gulags[15]

Soviet famine of 1932–33[edit]
Some have also included the deaths of 6 to 7 million people in the 1932–1933 famine among the victims of repression during the period of Stalin.

Soviet famine of 1946–47
famine resulted in an estimated 1 to 1.5 million lives lost in addition to secondary population losses due to reduced fertility.[34]



We could go on but this thread is not about Stalin..............Stalin was a butcher.......and resulted in millions dying in Russia......
Anyone who he perceived as a threat including old friends were killed.

Both Wikipedia and Google are extremely biased when it comes to Russia and Ukraine. In fact, there are lots of lies Western audience is supposed to believe but the residents of USSR, Russia and Ukraine can recognize very simply.

However some of the facts you've presented are partially true.

The History channel has the stats too...........Do you deny he purged opposition and sent millions to Gulags to work them to death.........

 

[eagle1462010]

If Russia's intent is to cause Chaos here..........LOL..........they didn't need to do anything.........

We already are in Chaos over politics...............So is Europe.........getting ugly there too.........

Same equation but even more on the Refugee problem in Europe.

 

[Eugene]

In America we have a problem..............We are divided............Left versus right and it's getting ugly...............

Don't butt in............we are busy beating ourselves over the head and don't need interruptions while we do so...........

Just sit back and have some vodka and popcorn and enjoy the show.

If you with your stupid fight sat inside your cage you'd be allowed to. But you always meddle into affairs of other countries do we need to resist American threat.

 

[Eugene]

If Russia's intent is to cause Chaos here..........LOL..........they didn't need to do anything.........

We already are in Chaos over politics...............So is Europe.........getting ugly there too.........

Same equation but even more on the Refugee problem in Europe.

Right, but it is not Russia to cause that chaos. You did it yourselves in your blind belief to your authorities who only wish to get more power and manipulate you by media

 

[eagle1462010]

In America we have a problem..............We are divided............Left versus right and it's getting ugly...............

Don't butt in............we are busy beating ourselves over the head and don't need interruptions while we do so...........

Just sit back and have some vodka and popcorn and enjoy the show.

If you with your stupid fight sat inside your cage you'd be allowed to. But you always meddle into affairs of other countries do we need to resist American threat.

Your side meddles as well just not in the scope of the U.S..............most of our issues are in the middle east and Russia supports those we are against......

So we are at odds there.........In regards to overthrowing leaders there and leaving a vacuum..........yeah.......our leadership has royally fucked up.........

Why our guys are still there......after 17 years..........place is still a mess.

 

[eagle1462010]

If Russia's intent is to cause Chaos here..........LOL..........they didn't need to do anything.........

We already are in Chaos over politics...............So is Europe.........getting ugly there too.........

Same equation but even more on the Refugee problem in Europe.

Right, but it is not Russia to cause that chaos. You did it yourselves in your blind belief to your authorities who only wish to get more power and manipulate you by media

I already said we don't need help causing chaos here. LOL