Yet Another Reason I'm Not Fond of Unions

[DaGoose]

Those of us who actually read history know damned well how capitalism without restraint treated its workers and its customers, too.

Union haters are either very misinformed, or they're very informed tools of big capital.

Unions created the American middle class, folks. They did so by wresting some fairER share of the wealth that the WORKERS were creating.

If you're working and still reasonably well off, you can thank the past effects of UNIONISM for making that possible, UNLESS you are to the manor borne.

In that case it make perfect sense for you to hate unions and all forms of POPULISM.

Why can't you come up with anything the unions have done recently to help improve working conditions, outside of more of the same "self interest" of just wanting more money and using dues to lobby for more power through politics? There appears to be a reason why unions are losing members, and some would rather work for themselves starting their own compnay than remain in one. All I hear are "union pep rally talks" and yet these same indivduals remain convemiently silent when they are asked about union motives and to respond about concerns of their work ethics (even from those who used to work under one). Are you fearful of allowing customers to become the determining factor of choosing for themselves if they would prefer the workmanship of a union employee, or go with another company who does more to build on his or her business? Why can't the free market decide, based upon what "quality job" someone can deliver? Are you able to go past your political rhetoric to try and answer me that?

Well, from the sounds of it they may be helping Wisconsin get rid of Walker.

 

[Jarhead]

Those of us who actually read history know damned well how capitalism without restraint treated its workers and its customers, too.

Union haters are either very misinformed, or they're very informed tools of big capital.

Unions created the American middle class, folks. They did so by wresting some fairER share of the wealth that the WORKERS were creating.

If you're working and still reasonably well off, you can thank the past effects of UNIONISM for making that possible, UNLESS you are to the manor borne.

In that case it make perfect sense for you to hate unions and all forms of POPULISM.

Why can't you come up with anything the unions have done recently to help improve working conditions, outside of more of the same "self interest" of just wanting more money and using dues to lobby for more power through politics? There appears to be a reason why unions are losing members, and some would rather work for themselves starting their own compnay than remain in one. All I hear are "union pep rally talks" and yet these same indivduals remain convemiently silent when they are asked about union motives and to respond about concerns of their work ethics (even from those who used to work under one). Are you fearful of allowing customers to become the determining factor of choosing for themselves if they would prefer the workmanship of a union employee, or go with another company who does more to build on his or her business? Why can't the free market decide, based upon what "quality job" someone can deliver? Are you able to go past your political rhetoric to try and answer me that?

Well, from the sounds of it they may be helping Wisconsin get rid of Walker.

So you cant come up with one thing either.

Only that they have the power to create a recall of a democratic election when they are not happy with the results.

Interesting.

 

[DaGoose]

Why can't you come up with anything the unions have done recently to help improve working conditions, outside of more of the same "self interest" of just wanting more money and using dues to lobby for more power through politics? There appears to be a reason why unions are losing members, and some would rather work for themselves starting their own compnay than remain in one. All I hear are "union pep rally talks" and yet these same indivduals remain convemiently silent when they are asked about union motives and to respond about concerns of their work ethics (even from those who used to work under one). Are you fearful of allowing customers to become the determining factor of choosing for themselves if they would prefer the workmanship of a union employee, or go with another company who does more to build on his or her business? Why can't the free market decide, based upon what "quality job" someone can deliver? Are you able to go past your political rhetoric to try and answer me that?

Well, from the sounds of it they may be helping Wisconsin get rid of Walker.

So you cant come up with one thing either.

Only that they have the power to create a recall of a democratic election when they are not happy with the results.

Interesting.

I just did. You just didn't like the answer.

Actually all one has to do is look at the number of current battles that unions are waging with the NLRB defending workers rights and safety laws that the GOP is hell bent on taking away.

Saying that unions have outlived their usefulness is like saying the Constitution has outlived it's usefulness.

 

[Lovebears65]

Not fond of Unions?

Don't join one.

Easy-peazy, dude.

Bull shit. In PA and I am sure other states that are pro union . If your a teacher you have to pay dues . You dont have to join the union but you still have to pay the dues because you may benefit from them. I say that is pretty much forcing you into the union. Another thing they give your union dollars for elections. Even if you dont agree with the candidate which is 99.9 percent a democRAT candidate .. So your dues go to someone who is pro choice and you are a conservative and is pro life you are pretty much donating to a candidate that you would never would have.

 

[Lovebears65]

well, from the sounds of it they may be helping wisconsin get rid of walker.

so you cant come up with one thing either.

Only that they have the power to create a recall of a democratic election when they are not happy with the results.

Interesting.

i just did. You just didn't like the answer.

Actually all one has to do is look at the number of current battles that unions are waging with the nlrb defending workers rights and safety laws that the gop is hell bent on taking away.

Saying that unions have outlived their usefulness is like saying the constitution has outlived it's usefulness.

and all that does is to benefit the unions not the will of the people in wi!

 

[Katzndogz]

Unions are partly responsible for companies moving off shore. Why put up with union vampires sucking the life out of a company until it dies when the company can simply move elsewhere.

 

[Amelia]

Not fond of Unions?

Don't join one.

Easy-peazy, dude.

Bull shit. In PA and I am sure other states that are pro union . If your a teacher you have to pay dues . You dont have to join the union but you still have to pay the dues because you may benefit from them. I say that is pretty much forcing you into the union. Another thing they give your union dollars for elections. Even if you dont agree with the candidate which is 99.9 percent a democRAT candidate .. So your dues go to someone who is pro choice and you are a conservative and is pro life you are pretty much donating to a candidate that you would never would have.

That's the way it was in Wisconsin until Scott Walker and our legislature fixed it. If you were a public sector employee, the union got a cut from your check - off the top by direct deposit. Didn't matter whether you were a union member or not - the union got their share. You didn't have a choice in the matter. Well, you could choose not to work for the government, but that's hardly fair. Only Democrats need apply for civil service jobs? WTHeck?!

It's not the case now, as of July. And that is why the left is investing so much in the recall of Scott Walker.

Giving people a choice of whether to contribute money to unions is just not tolerable.

 

[Jarhead]

Well, from the sounds of it they may be helping Wisconsin get rid of Walker.

So you cant come up with one thing either.

Only that they have the power to create a recall of a democratic election when they are not happy with the results.

Interesting.

I just did. You just didn't like the answer.

Actually all one has to do is look at the number of current battles that unions are waging with the NLRB defending workers rights and safety laws that the GOP is hell bent on taking away.

Saying that unions have outlived their usefulness is like saying the Constitution has outlived it's usefulness.

No you didnt.

All you did was tell us that unions are responsible for the possible recall of a democratically elected governor.
The question was...

"Why can't you come up with anything the unions have done recently to help improve working conditions"

You can not cite one sigle thing...and you still havent.

 

[DaGoose]

Not fond of Unions?

Don't join one.

Easy-peazy, dude.

Bull shit. In PA and I am sure other states that are pro union . If your a teacher you have to pay dues . You dont have to join the union but you still have to pay the dues because you may benefit from them. I say that is pretty much forcing you into the union. Another thing they give your union dollars for elections. Even if you dont agree with the candidate which is 99.9 percent a democRAT candidate .. So your dues go to someone who is pro choice and you are a conservative and is pro life you are pretty much donating to a candidate that you would never would have.

That's the way it was in Wisconsin until Scott Walker and our legislature fixed it. If you were a public sector employee, the union got a cut from your check - off the top by direct deposit. Didn't matter whether you were a union member or not - the union got their share. You didn't have a choice in the matter. Well, you could choose not to work for the government, but that's hardly fair. Only Democrats need apply for civil service jobs? WTHeck?!

It's not the case now, as of July. And that is why the left is investing so much in the recall of Scott Walker.

Giving people a choice of whether to contribute money to unions is just not tolerable.

Not fond of Unions?

Don't join one.

Easy-peazy, dude.

Bull shit. In PA and I am sure other states that are pro union . If your a teacher you have to pay dues . You dont have to join the union but you still have to pay the dues because you may benefit from them. I say that is pretty much forcing you into the union. Another thing they give your union dollars for elections. Even if you dont agree with the candidate which is 99.9 percent a democRAT candidate .. So your dues go to someone who is pro choice and you are a conservative and is pro life you are pretty much donating to a candidate that you would never would have.

I just love arguing with morons that simply do not have a clue as to what they're talking about.

Walker and his cronies didn't fix SHIT. They couldn't. It's a FEDERAL LAW that allows union members to opt out of paying any dues used for political contributions.

Damn!!

Class dismissed.

 

[DaGoose]

So you cant come up with one thing either.

Only that they have the power to create a recall of a democratic election when they are not happy with the results.

Interesting.

I just did. You just didn't like the answer.

Actually all one has to do is look at the number of current battles that unions are waging with the NLRB defending workers rights and safety laws that the GOP is hell bent on taking away.

Saying that unions have outlived their usefulness is like saying the Constitution has outlived it's usefulness.

No you didnt.

All you did was tell us that unions are responsible for the possible recall of a democratically elected governor.
The question was...

"Why can't you come up with anything the unions have done recently to help improve working conditions"

You can not cite one sigle thing...and you still havent.

You got two choices here. Either look up cases before the NLRB or remain ignorant.

Bet I can guess what you're gonna do....

 

[Amelia]

Bull shit. In PA and I am sure other states that are pro union . If your a teacher you have to pay dues . You dont have to join the union but you still have to pay the dues because you may benefit from them. I say that is pretty much forcing you into the union. Another thing they give your union dollars for elections. Even if you dont agree with the candidate which is 99.9 percent a democRAT candidate .. So your dues go to someone who is pro choice and you are a conservative and is pro life you are pretty much donating to a candidate that you would never would have.

That's the way it was in Wisconsin until Scott Walker and our legislature fixed it. If you were a public sector employee, the union got a cut from your check - off the top by direct deposit. Didn't matter whether you were a union member or not - the union got their share. You didn't have a choice in the matter. Well, you could choose not to work for the government, but that's hardly fair. Only Democrats need apply for civil service jobs? WTHeck?!

It's not the case now, as of July. And that is why the left is investing so much in the recall of Scott Walker.

Giving people a choice of whether to contribute money to unions is just not tolerable.

Not fond of Unions?

Don't join one.

Easy-peazy, dude.

Bull shit. In PA and I am sure other states that are pro union . If your a teacher you have to pay dues . You dont have to join the union but you still have to pay the dues because you may benefit from them. I say that is pretty much forcing you into the union. Another thing they give your union dollars for elections. Even if you dont agree with the candidate which is 99.9 percent a democRAT candidate .. So your dues go to someone who is pro choice and you are a conservative and is pro life you are pretty much donating to a candidate that you would never would have.

I just love arguing with morons that simply do not have a clue as to what they're talking about.

Walker and his cronies didn't fix SHIT. They couldn't. It's a FEDERAL LAW that allows union members to opt out of paying any dues used for political contributions.

Damn!!

Class dismissed.

They can claim that it's not used for political purposes. But that doesn't make it so.

They are desperate to keep forcing nonmembers to pay them because it benefits them politically.

People should not have to pay money to unions for the privilege of working for government.

Public employee unions are a terrible conflict of interest. If you think they aren't abusing their political power then you are unbelievably naive.

 

[IndependntLogic]

There is no 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to Unions. People need to stop seeing them as all perfect or the destroyer of business. They are neither. The problem always arises when unions or bosses abuse their power. That is down to individuals - people.... People are the problem, the 'unions' or the 'bosses'.

union bosses abuse their power? What about the abuse of power on the management side?

So, Unions are Ok if they mind their place, but management can do whatever they want? Seems like your no "right or wrong" is severely one sided.

i can only speak for the PO.....but this is big time here...... the abuse of power on the management side
........

So you don't think unions like The Teamsters, Longshoremen, UAW or in this case, Culinary Workers ever abuse their power?

I do.

Unions are important when they prevent wrongful terminations, harrassment, wage-fixing, unsafe conditions etc...
But many of them have gone WAY beyond those functions for decades. While I hold both the government and execs culpable for their part in costing Americans jobs, I also recognize the onus that lays squarely on the shoulders of union abuse.
The UAW from the 70's - 90's is a classic example of union abuse of power.

 

[Steelplate]

There is no 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to Unions. People need to stop seeing them as all perfect or the destroyer of business. They are neither. The problem always arises when unions or bosses abuse their power. That is down to individuals - people.... People are the problem, the 'unions' or the 'bosses'.

union bosses abuse their power? What about the abuse of power on the management side?

So, Unions are Ok if they mind their place, but management can do whatever they want? Seems like your no "right or wrong" is severely one sided.

Which bit of 'when unions or bosses abuses their power.' is over your intellectual pay grade?

I was quite clear that, in my view, both unions and management bear some responsibility.

Twit.

Yeah... sorry about that. I misread Union or bosses as union bosses. My bad.

 

[Charles_Main]

We supplement our income by playing a little Texas Hold 'em. The casinos on The Strip are probably easiest because the tourist get drunk and loose up there. But we prefer the local casinos here, in Henderson. The Strip is owned by Fortune 500's nowadays and the service etc... just aren't what they used to be. Neither are the bonuses. That's why we like playing the local casinos out here - like Station casinos. We won over five grand just in bonuses last December. They give us a couple hundred bucks in free dinners and rooms all the time. We have friends who work there and they like it a LOT better than at Ceasar's Entertainment or Harrah's. The other thing we like is the people we meet. The owner of Zappo's is there all the time. He's always in the local news for donating to charities and stuff. Plus his company is known as like, the single coolest place to work in the world - here in Henderson. So when he has guest come to Henderson, he puts them up in the local Station Casinos - which is non-union.
So now, everywhere he goes, he gets shet from leaders in the local culinary union. Why? Because he does business with Station Casinos. He's constantly hassled at the poker tables, in restaurants etc... by those azzholes.
I've never been a fan of private sector unions anyway but this bs is just irritating as hell. This guy brings jobs and revenues to a city that desperately needs both. Shut up union thugs...

It's not that I am not Fond of Unions. I know they have done a lot of good for America workers. What I am not fond of is Corrupt Union Leadership, 90% of Union workers never getting asked if they want to join, or having any say at all in how the Union Spends their money, and Unions that ignore Economic Realities in favor of holding on to their Benefits.

What has been really bad since Obama took office is watching the Blatant Favoritism, and Pay offs of Unions the Democrats engage in. I used to think people on the right that called it Money Laundering were just being Dramatic, but Now I see they are 100% correct. The Democrats can almost bank on a certain % of any Tax Break, or Hand out they give that Unions Workers benefit from, will come right back to them in Donations, and Super Pac Adds.

The Spending of Stimulus Money for Example, Heavily favored Union workers, and Union Shops, When only 20% of American workers are Unionized.

 

[DaGoose]

That's the way it was in Wisconsin until Scott Walker and our legislature fixed it. If you were a public sector employee, the union got a cut from your check - off the top by direct deposit. Didn't matter whether you were a union member or not - the union got their share. You didn't have a choice in the matter. Well, you could choose not to work for the government, but that's hardly fair. Only Democrats need apply for civil service jobs? WTHeck?!

It's not the case now, as of July. And that is why the left is investing so much in the recall of Scott Walker.

Giving people a choice of whether to contribute money to unions is just not tolerable.

Bull shit. In PA and I am sure other states that are pro union . If your a teacher you have to pay dues . You dont have to join the union but you still have to pay the dues because you may benefit from them. I say that is pretty much forcing you into the union. Another thing they give your union dollars for elections. Even if you dont agree with the candidate which is 99.9 percent a democRAT candidate .. So your dues go to someone who is pro choice and you are a conservative and is pro life you are pretty much donating to a candidate that you would never would have.

I just love arguing with morons that simply do not have a clue as to what they're talking about.

Walker and his cronies didn't fix SHIT. They couldn't. It's a FEDERAL LAW that allows union members to opt out of paying any dues used for political contributions.

Damn!!

Class dismissed.

They can claim that it's not used for political purposes. But that doesn't make it so.

They are desperate to keep forcing nonmembers to pay them because it benefits them politically.

(Now you're simply grabbing for straws.)

People should not have to pay money to unions for the privilege of working for government.

(They don't. If you think that then you haven't a clue as to what dues are for or used for.)

Public employee unions are a terrible conflict of interest. If you think they aren't abusing their political power then you are unbelievably naive.

You actually have a LOT of say over public employee unions. Wisconsin and Walker proves that. And if you believe everything you hear on Rush's show then YOU are terribly naive and misinformed.

 

[DaGoose]

There is no 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to Unions. People need to stop seeing them as all perfect or the destroyer of business. They are neither. The problem always arises when unions or bosses abuse their power. That is down to individuals - people.... People are the problem, the 'unions' or the 'bosses'.

And the bad ones eventually get voted out of power.

 

[Steelplate]

Not fond of Unions?

Don't join one.

Easy-peazy, dude.

Bull shit. In PA and I am sure other states that are pro union . If your a teacher you have to pay dues . You dont have to join the union but you still have to pay the dues because you may benefit from them. I say that is pretty much forcing you into the union. Another thing they give your union dollars for elections. Even if you dont agree with the candidate which is 99.9 percent a democRAT candidate .. So your dues go to someone who is pro choice and you are a conservative and is pro life you are pretty much donating to a candidate that you would never would have.

I want you to prove what I put in bold. I know that my Union, AFSCME does not use our dues money for election donations...at least in the state of PA. We have a Voluntary PAC that we CAN pay into... but it is strictly voluntary. It's called AFSCME VIP. I looked it up and SEIU also has one called COPE. Here is the information on that.

https://action.seiu.org/page/share/ftscope

 

[Ernie S.]

jesus your stupid

Oh the IRONY

 

[Lovebears65]

Bull shit. In PA and I am sure other states that are pro union . If your a teacher you have to pay dues . You dont have to join the union but you still have to pay the dues because you may benefit from them. I say that is pretty much forcing you into the union. Another thing they give your union dollars for elections. Even if you dont agree with the candidate which is 99.9 percent a democRAT candidate .. So your dues go to someone who is pro choice and you are a conservative and is pro life you are pretty much donating to a candidate that you would never would have.

That's the way it was in Wisconsin until Scott Walker and our legislature fixed it. If you were a public sector employee, the union got a cut from your check - off the top by direct deposit. Didn't matter whether you were a union member or not - the union got their share. You didn't have a choice in the matter. Well, you could choose not to work for the government, but that's hardly fair. Only Democrats need apply for civil service jobs? WTHeck?!

It's not the case now, as of July. And that is why the left is investing so much in the recall of Scott Walker.

Giving people a choice of whether to contribute money to unions is just not tolerable.

Not fond of Unions?

Don't join one.

Easy-peazy, dude.

Bull shit. In PA and I am sure other states that are pro union . If your a teacher you have to pay dues . You dont have to join the union but you still have to pay the dues because you may benefit from them. I say that is pretty much forcing you into the union. Another thing they give your union dollars for elections. Even if you dont agree with the candidate which is 99.9 percent a democRAT candidate .. So your dues go to someone who is pro choice and you are a conservative and is pro life you are pretty much donating to a candidate that you would never would have.

I just love arguing with morons that simply do not have a clue as to what they're talking about.

Walker and his cronies didn't fix SHIT. They couldn't. It's a FEDERAL LAW that allows union members to opt out of paying any dues used for political contributions.

Damn!!

Class dismissed.

did you address the fact that unions are forced in some cases on employees at least forcing them paying the dues

 

[Amelia]

I just love arguing with morons that simply do not have a clue as to what they're talking about.

Walker and his cronies didn't fix SHIT. They couldn't. It's a FEDERAL LAW that allows union members to opt out of paying any dues used for political contributions.

Damn!!

Class dismissed.

They can claim that it's not used for political purposes. But that doesn't make it so.

They are desperate to keep forcing nonmembers to pay them because it benefits them politically.

(Now you're simply grabbing for straws.)

People should not have to pay money to unions for the privilege of working for government.

(They don't. If you think that then you haven't a clue as to what dues are for or used for.)

Public employee unions are a terrible conflict of interest. If you think they aren't abusing their political power then you are unbelievably naive.

You actually have a LOT of say over public employee unions. Wisconsin and Walker proves that. And if you believe everything you hear on Rush's show then YOU are terribly naive and misinformed.

NOW we have some say. NOW people don't have to give money to unions for the privilege of working for the state of Wisconsin.

Voting for Scott Walker was the best, most meaningful vote I ever cast.

Even if Walker loses the battle to retain his position, the state is better for him having been in office.





Thank you, Governor Walker, you're the best.