Yet Another Reason I'm Not Fond of Unions

[IndependntLogic]

We supplement our income by playing a little Texas Hold 'em. The casinos on The Strip are probably easiest because the tourist get drunk and loose up there. But we prefer the local casinos here, in Henderson. The Strip is owned by Fortune 500's nowadays and the service etc... just aren't what they used to be. Neither are the bonuses. That's why we like playing the local casinos out here - like Station casinos. We won over five grand just in bonuses last December. They give us a couple hundred bucks in free dinners and rooms all the time. We have friends who work there and they like it a LOT better than at Ceasar's Entertainment or Harrah's. The other thing we like is the people we meet. The owner of Zappo's is there all the time. He's always in the local news for donating to charities and stuff. Plus his company is known as like, the single coolest place to work in the world - here in Henderson. So when he has guest come to Henderson, he puts them up in the local Station Casinos - which is non-union.
So now, everywhere he goes, he gets shet from leaders in the local culinary union. Why? Because he does business with Station Casinos. He's constantly hassled at the poker tables, in restaurants etc... by those azzholes.
I've never been a fan of private sector unions anyway but this bs is just irritating as hell. This guy brings jobs and revenues to a city that desperately needs both. Shut up union thugs...

 

[Sirkarl101]

If their are no unions business will walk all over the workers. All workers will be making low wages, no benefits. That is just business. Unions must work with business in times of TRUE need, not for increased profits. If a president of a corporation gets a million dollar bonus ans so on and so forth, I would not work with them as a union to cut labor costs. If labor costs are causing a company to lose market shares and management is cutting their wages and benefits then the union needs to jump on board and share the burden. In no case should a union defend people who violate the companies safety and drug policies as well as any federal regulation. Cost of living increases are only fair also. It is a marriage of the management protecting the business and the investors and the unions protecting the workers from companies who fail to recognize the value of their employees.

 

[Jackson]

If their are no unions business will walk all over the workers. All workers will be making low wages, no benefits. That is just business. Unions must work with business in times of TRUE need, not for increased profits. If a president of a corporation gets a million dollar bonus ans so on and so forth, I would not work with them as a union to cut labor costs. If labor costs are causing a company to lose market shares and management is cutting their wages and benefits then the union needs to jump on board and share the burden. In no case should a union defend people who violate the companies safety and drug policies as well as any federal regulation. Cost of living increases are only fair also. It is a marriage of the management protecting the business and the investors and the unions protecting the workers from companies who fail to recognize the value of their employees.

Look at the Right to Work states. They seem to be doing quite well. More companies go there than other states and the chance of losing the jobs to overseas lessens.

 

[naturegirl]

The private sector only has a Union membership of 6.9% nationwide. Public Sector Unions are 36.2%, so based on Sirkarl101's logic, 93% of companies walk all over their workers and the cost to US Taxpayers for Union employees is outrageous. So how about you tell us how the Government is walking all over their employees while those elected officials are taking their "bonuses" in payment from their cronies.

--The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was
substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent).
(See table 3.)

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

 

[Truthmatters]

Yet more right wing hating on actual humans who walk the earth being allowed to have some power over their own lives.

 

[JoeB131]

If their are no unions business will walk all over the workers. All workers will be making low wages, no benefits. That is just business. Unions must work with business in times of TRUE need, not for increased profits. If a president of a corporation gets a million dollar bonus ans so on and so forth, I would not work with them as a union to cut labor costs. If labor costs are causing a company to lose market shares and management is cutting their wages and benefits then the union needs to jump on board and share the burden. In no case should a union defend people who violate the companies safety and drug policies as well as any federal regulation. Cost of living increases are only fair also. It is a marriage of the management protecting the business and the investors and the unions protecting the workers from companies who fail to recognize the value of their employees.

Look at the Right to Work states. They seem to be doing quite well. More companies go there than other states and the chance of losing the jobs to overseas lessens.

So because we have retarded trade treaties, we should happily give up our rights.

Hey, let's dump all the worker safety laws/ I Mean, why not, those third world countries don't have them. So what if we lose some fingers.

Let's get rid of the child labor laws, too. I mean, those third world countries use child labor, look how competitive they are. Whooops, little Molly got sucked into a thresher. Guess we have to go down to the orphanage and get another one.

Hey, and those silly environmental laws. Yeah, let's get rid of those. Who needs clean drinking water? Just the rich. Suck it, peasants.

Come on, get real. We are not better off because we are forcing our workers to live in third world conditions.

 

[WatertheTree]

We supplement our income by playing a little Texas Hold 'em. The casinos on The Strip are probably easiest because the tourist get drunk and loose up there. But we prefer the local casinos here, in Henderson. The Strip is owned by Fortune 500's nowadays and the service etc... just aren't what they used to be. Neither are the bonuses. That's why we like playing the local casinos out here - like Station casinos. We won over five grand just in bonuses last December. They give us a couple hundred bucks in free dinners and rooms all the time. We have friends who work there and they like it a LOT better than at Ceasar's Entertainment or Harrah's. The other thing we like is the people we meet. The owner of Zappo's is there all the time. He's always in the local news for donating to charities and stuff. Plus his company is known as like, the single coolest place to work in the world - here in Henderson. So when he has guest come to Henderson, he puts them up in the local Station Casinos - which is non-union.
So now, everywhere he goes, he gets shet from leaders in the local culinary union. Why? Because he does business with Station Casinos. He's constantly hassled at the poker tables, in restaurants etc... by those azzholes.
I've never been a fan of private sector unions anyway but this bs is just irritating as hell. This guy brings jobs and revenues to a city that desperately needs both. Shut up union thugs...

You need to read a history book and learn what the unions did for the people of this country. This drivel is an insult to every civil rights movement in our history.

Unions are good. Unions receiving special privileges from government is bad. This country would be alot better off if the do nothing liberals would stop holding there hands out to government and take there future into there own hands. There is most definitely a place for unions in this country.

 

[California Girl]

There is no 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to Unions. People need to stop seeing them as all perfect or the destroyer of business. They are neither. The problem always arises when unions or bosses abuse their power. That is down to individuals - people.... People are the problem, the 'unions' or the 'bosses'.

 

[rdean]

unions are like 10% of all the workers in America.

Better to ask who pays when no one has health care than bitch about an organization that probably doesn't affect your life in any way.

It's like bitching about the gays and not knowing any.

 

[WatertheTree]

Yet more right wing hating on actual humans who walk the earth being allowed to have some power over their own lives.

Look at wal-mart. If there employees would form a union then yes prices for goods will increase. However all those people would no longer be living on the social safety net.

Free markets and less government involvement is the solution. Liberals and those dependant on government to do everything for them need to start looking to themselves.

 

[Full-Auto]

If their are no unions business will walk all over the workers. All workers will be making low wages, no benefits. That is just business. Unions must work with business in times of TRUE need, not for increased profits. If a president of a corporation gets a million dollar bonus ans so on and so forth, I would not work with them as a union to cut labor costs. If labor costs are causing a company to lose market shares and management is cutting their wages and benefits then the union needs to jump on board and share the burden. In no case should a union defend people who violate the companies safety and drug policies as well as any federal regulation. Cost of living increases are only fair also. It is a marriage of the management protecting the business and the investors and the unions protecting the workers from companies who fail to recognize the value of their employees.

Look at the Right to Work states. They seem to be doing quite well. More companies go there than other states and the chance of losing the jobs to overseas lessens.

So because we have retarded trade treaties, we should happily give up our rights.

Hey, let's dump all the worker safety laws/ I Mean, why not, those third world countries don't have them. So what if we lose some fingers.

Let's get rid of the child labor laws, too. I mean, those third world countries use child labor, look how competitive they are. Whooops, little Molly got sucked into a thresher. Guess we have to go down to the orphanage and get another one.

Hey, and those silly environmental laws. Yeah, let's get rid of those. Who needs clean drinking water? Just the rich. Suck it, peasants.

Come on, get real. We are not better off because we are forcing our workers to live in third world conditions.

That rant was complete BS Joe.

And you know it.

 

[Truthmatters]

heres the deal.

People GET to gather together and make a united front IN ANY SECTOR of this country.

You dont like what they want so you call them BAD for being able to make a united front on something you dont agree with.

TOO FUCKING BAD!


They have the right and so do you.

You just cant get people to unite behind your idea.

 

[JoeB131]

There is no 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to Unions. People need to stop seeing them as all perfect or the destroyer of business. They are neither. The problem always arises when unions or bosses abuse their power. That is down to individuals - people.... People are the problem, the 'unions' or the 'bosses'.

quite right.

Then when the bosses or the unions abuse their power, it's up to the rest of us to hold them accountable.

Because when you reward someone for bad behavior, let's say by nominating them for President, you are just encouraging more of the same.

I don't see unions as "perfect". I think that they are too insular, and too parochial.

But I also think that the only reason we have a middle class (and yes, WE DO HAVE CLASSES IN THIS COUNTRY) is because unions fought for them at one time.

At it's best, Unions are there to make sure that there is a fair division of the profits between investors, managers and workers. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think it's all the political shit that get them into trouble. At one time, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan appreciated the fact that unions were needed. Today, the GOP has made them the enemy, and vice-versa.

 

[Full-Auto]

heres the deal.

People GET to gather together and make a united front IN ANY SECTOR of this country.

You dont like what they want so you call them BAD for being able to make a united front on something you dont agree with.

TOO FUCKING BAD!


They have the right and so do you.

You just cant get people to unite behind your idea.

 

[JoeB131]

Look at the Right to Work states. They seem to be doing quite well. More companies go there than other states and the chance of losing the jobs to overseas lessens.

So because we have retarded trade treaties, we should happily give up our rights.

Hey, let's dump all the worker safety laws/ I Mean, why not, those third world countries don't have them. So what if we lose some fingers.

Let's get rid of the child labor laws, too. I mean, those third world countries use child labor, look how competitive they are. Whooops, little Molly got sucked into a thresher. Guess we have to go down to the orphanage and get another one.

Hey, and those silly environmental laws. Yeah, let's get rid of those. Who needs clean drinking water? Just the rich. Suck it, peasants.

Come on, get real. We are not better off because we are forcing our workers to live in third world conditions.

That rant was complete BS Joe.

And you know it.

I think we are a lot closer to that than you think. I know this much. I'm not doing nearly as well as my father and grandfather did... so there has been a decline.

 

[Truthmatters]

A union is merely workingand banding together to effect the direction of their own lives.


You dont like it so you think it should be illegal.

How fucking unAmerican is it to want to keep people from sharing a march to help themselves effect the direction of their lives?

 

[California Girl]

There is a company in Britain called 'The John Lewis Partnership'. They have stores in most major cities across England. They are a company with an excellent reputation for quality products and excellent customer service. They have an excellent business model.

None of their employees are union members. Why? Because each and every one of them, from the MD to the Janitors owns a share of the business. They have a remarkably low turnover of staff - because the staff own a part of the company. They have excellent customer service. Why? Because their employees own a part of the company.

In short, they are a shining example of an excellent business model and good business practice.

I know of an individual in the US who operates a business on a very similar model. And it works here too.

 

[Full-Auto]

A union is merely workingand banding together to effect the direction of their own lives.


You dont like it so you think it should be illegal.

How fucking unAmerican is it to want to keep people from sharing a march to help themselves effect the direction of their lives?

 

[Truthmatters]

jesus your stupid

 

[naturegirl]

There is no 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to Unions. People need to stop seeing them as all perfect or the destroyer of business. They are neither. The problem always arises when unions or bosses abuse their power. That is down to individuals - people.... People are the problem, the 'unions' or the 'bosses'.

quite right.

Then when the bosses or the unions abuse their power, it's up to the rest of us to hold them accountable.

Because when you reward someone for bad behavior, let's say by nominating them for President, you are just encouraging more of the same.

I don't see unions as "perfect". I think that they are too insular, and too parochial.

But I also think that the only reason we have a middle class (and yes, WE DO HAVE CLASSES IN THIS COUNTRY) is because unions fought for them at one time.

At it's best, Unions are there to make sure that there is a fair division of the profits between investors, managers and workers. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think it's all the political shit that get them into trouble. At one time, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan appreciated the fact that unions were needed. Today, the GOP has made them the enemy, and vice-versa.

So explain to me how Public sector employees get a fair division of profits?? What profits??