Yes nazism is absolutely *leftist* according to today's American concept of leftism.

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    I'm so tired of listening to people chirrup "pfft Nazi is fascist and fascist is right wing and right wing is Republican and Republican is White and White is Nazi and Nazi is fascist" and so on and so on...

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    Nazis were not capitalists, people.
    They were not Christians.
    They were PROGRESSIVES and engaged in dangerous and frequently ignorant hero-worship of people who they thought were the arbiters of *science* and *intellect*. The Nazi party was founded by a bunch of young, smart, well educated dudes.

    Those guys thought that all of Germany's problems could be cured by science and health, literally.
    And they rejected Christianity because it put the lie to such nonsense.
    They embraced eugenics..and rejected freedom of speech.

    Who on our current political spectrum does that?

    I'll tell you who...

    The people who, like nazis, see everything through a filter of race.
    The people who, like nazis, think children should be reared by the state.
    The people who, like nazis, maintain capitalism is bad.
    The people who. like nazis, seek to establish a single world order under their own ideology.

    None of those are right wing tenets. All of those stances are symptomatic of radical, leftwing ideology.

    Nazis are *right wing* only in their positioning, ideology-wise, to the marginal right side of marxism.

    In fact, Nazis called marxists, *capitalists*, and reviled them for it. Which is a classic example of how propaganda worked then..and continues to work now...and is something else the nazis share with the left wing: their blatant and over the top use of propaganda to establish a false narrative that justifies the tyrannical and brutal acts of a murderous regime.

    "Nazi rhetoric had become an integral part of a powerful anti-capitalist Zeitgeist, an ‘anti-system’ rallying cry that questioned the core principles of capitalism. Its proponents condemned its selfishness, materialism and unfairness, and instead demanded that the common good had to be protected from individual greed."


    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21567689.2013.820436?src=recsys&journalCode=ftmp21
     
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    Who cares?
    Tyranny is tyranny
    Its just as bad whether its fascists, socialists, communists or NAZIs
     
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    Look at the nazi freak out.

    Like I said, propaganda is a huge part of leftist nazi strategy. This is toro engaging in it.

    "Make the lie big" indeed.
     
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    The people who, like nazis, see everything through a filter of race.
    When races aren't treated equally, the left points it out in order to CORRECT it.

    The people who, like nazis, think children should be reared by the state.

    Communities have been pitching in to educate their children since colonial times. It is called free public education, and it has produced one of the most talented societies and the largest economy on the planet.

    The people who, like nazis, maintain capitalism is bad.

    Only when it takes massive advantage of people like me and you, leaving them on food stamps with no healthcare while working 40 or 50 hours a week in two part-time jobs.

    The people who. like nazis, seek to establish a single world order under their own ideology.

    That's just crazy talk right there, KG. I'm not even trying on that one. Maybe you should call Dale to elucidate further on that.
     
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    Two related bits of information:

    There's a Leftist ideological personality test developed in 1947 by a gentleman named Theodor Adorno, known as the California F-scale, F standing for fascist, designed to measure a subject's predisposition for following authoritarian direction without much consideration or resistance. One controversial result of this test was that it found some radical Left subjects scoring higher than so-called potential fascists on the scale. Adorno also wrote a book, The Authoritarian Personality, which is something of treatise on Left leaning methods of debating politically with Right leaning individuals. One of Adorno's methods was to assign psychological disorder to more staunchly held Right or conservative political viewpoints as a means of dismissing their argument entirely--a method we on the Right see the more intellectual Left use quite regularly.

    The other worthwhile information to consider is the classification and determination of authoritarian behavior, and some scientific methodss of gaining understanding of it by means of two psychological theories: Regality theory and Kungic theory. Regality theory describes how certain dangers or threats can result in subject responses classified as Regal, which include authoritarianism, racism, etc. Kungic response on the other hand involves predisposition to more open and accepting behaviors.

    F-scale (personality test) - Wikipedia
    Regality theory - Wikipedia
    Authoritarian personality - Wikipedia
     
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    Nazism was directly responsible for the slaughter and suffering of millions upon millions of people.

    Over 60 million deaths in total. Additional suffering and damage at a level we could never imagine.

    Are we going to trivialize that death and suffering forever? Will we ever get past this?
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    Like Obama?....
     
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    Nazis killed more like 30 million on their own.
    Some of those 60 million are by Japanese, or even against Germans.
     
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    There is actually one group today that carries on the Nazi tradition, courtesy of their association with them in the 30s and 40s.

    Anybody venture to guess who that is and who routinely sides with them?

    If you need a little hint, folks, they have a penchant for decapitation.
     
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    Communism killed more.

    Who is trivializing it? The people who call every person they disagree with a *fascist nazi*? Or the people who point out that there really are people who embrace all the core tenets of nazism..and then list them? OR the people who scream "THOU MUST NOT EVER RECOGNIZE FUTURE NAZIS LEST WE DISHONOR THE GLORIOUS DEAD" by somehow recognizing replicate ideology and trying to prevent a recurrence of the Holocaust under a slightly different banner?

    How about you tell me which of the tenets I listed..reviled hallmarks of the nazis that are the reason the word *nazi* today still means *depraved murderous ghoul* today... aren't the shared tenets of American leftist ideology?

    I'll wait.
     
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