Yes, let’s focus on that Jewish extremist group the “just” NY Times delights in pointing out

Once a colony achieves statehood it ceases to be a colony, are you really that dense? Rhodesia ceased to be a colony when it declared independence, same with Israel.

Israel was a colonial project prior to achieving independence. That is what the Zionists have clearly stated. Why would you contradict the World Zionist Organization?




Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committee
July 25, 1926

London (Jul. 23)

(Jewish Telegraphic Agency)

The contemplated trip to the United States of Dr. Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization, the continuation of his efforts while in America to extend the Jewish Agency through his negotiations with the Marshall group, the possibilities of extending Jewish colonization work outside of the present Palestine frontiers, including. Transjordania and certain parts of Syria, were the main features around which the deliberations centered."

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ
 
montelatici, et al,

If you want to call it "colonialism" --- then fine. Just make sure that you infer to the listener that it implies the "establishment, exploitation, maintenance, acquisition, and expansion of colony in one territory by a political power from another territory;" the meaning behind colonialism.

Rocco, you sure are hard-headed. It does not matter how admirable the reason for the colonial project was, it was a colonial project. A large group of people decided to go and dispossess native people of the land they were living on. We live with the result of that bad decision to this day, and instead of Jews in Europe suffering, we have transferred the suffering to the Christians and Muslims of Palestine.
(COMMENT)

There are three main reasons why we should not use the terminology "Colonial Project;" besides the fact that the pro-Palestinian has latched onto the phrase for propaganda exploitation.

• The establishment of the Jewish National Home was not the expansion of a Colonial Power political influence in the Palestine Territory under Mandate by Allied Powers. The previous sovereignty already renounced all rights and title to the territory under Mandate.

• No Allied/Colonial Power was involved in the economic, commercial or industrial exploitation of the territory into which the Jewish people were encouraged to immigrate and who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish National Home; the first mandate agreed upon by the Allied Powers.

• No Allied/Colonial Power was responsible for the maintenance and acquisition of those resources and infrastructure necessary for the reconstituting of the Jewish National Home Home in the territory surrendered to the Allied Powers and placed under Mandate.

Even before the San Remo Convention (19–26 April 1920), Arab Gunmen had attacked several Jewish Settlements including Tel Chai were Joseph Trumpeldor, one of the most prominent Jewish citizens and a WWI War Veteran of distinction, was killed. While not the sole reason, it was one of the reasons for the organization of the Haganah (embryonic formation mid-June 1920, not becoming fully endorsed until after the 1936–1939 Arab revolt). Shortly before the transition from the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) to the Civil Administration, the events of the Bloody Passover unfolded with be Nebi Musa procession (4 April 1920); with the British backed Haj Amin al-Husseini, one of the main leaders and instigators of the Riots.

While there had been several smaller confrontations between the Jewish and the Arabs in the Territorial Mandate, during the OETA period, the Nebi Musa march and riot in Jerusalem most probably marked the central disturbance that triggered the near century old Jewish-Arab (prelude to the Israeli-Palestinian) conflict. The actual first attacks took place in the city square, but there was further incitement from the Balcony of the Arab Club (by Haj Amin al-Husseini), railing about ethnic and nationalist aspirations of the Jewish culture that supported the establishment of a Jewish National Home.

From that point on, the Arab Palestinians never really attempted to reconcile their differences with the Jewish People.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
1. What would you call a project which intends to displace a population of an area to make room for a foreign population from another continent?

2. The colonization of Palestine by the Euro-Jews is no different than the colonization of Liberia by the Americo-Liberians.

3. The Arabs should have probably been better organized and should have attacked the invading Europeans far earlier to dissuade them of the idea of displacing them and colonizing Palestine. If you had been a Palestininian Rocco, would you have welcomed people that intended to displace you and rule over you? Have you heard of any native people that have welcomed their dispossession and colonization?

4. The Zionists rightly called their plan to takeover Palestine, a colonial project because that is what it was.

Get real Rocco, you don't know what you are talking about.
 
montelatici, et al,

Liberia was a US Protectorate composed of US Commercially procured land by various associations.... No resemblance to Palestine and its situation. A century and a half ago, that is just the way things were done. You cannot use ethics, morals and laws of today in the judgement of actions 150 years ago.

1. What would you call a project which intends to displace a population of an area to make room for a foreign population from another continent?

2. The colonization of Palestine by the Euro-Jews is no different than the colonization of Liberia by the Americo-Liberians.

3. The Arabs should have probably been better organized and should have attacked the invading Europeans far earlier to dissuade them of the idea of displacing them and colonizing Palestine. If you had been a Palestininian Rocco, would you have welcomed people that intended to displace you and rule over you? Have you heard of any native people that have welcomed their dispossession and colonization?

4. The Zionists rightly called their plan to takeover Palestine, a colonial project because that is what it was.

Get real Rocco, you don't know what you are talking about.
(COMMENT)
1. Population displacement is not a necessary criteria for "colonialism." Population displacement is a strategy.

2. The colonization of Liberia was American Colonization Society (ACS) backed extension of US Foreign Policy and repatriation. This was a series of procured land through U.S. Government money. President James Monroe was a key member raising funding. Liberia was under control and a US protectorate (international law, is a dependent territory that has been granted local self-governance) until 1847 when it declared independence.

• During the period between 1920 and 1948, the Arab Population and Jewish Immigrants were under the Mandate Governance.
• During the period between 1920 and 1948, there was no substantial difference between the status of the Arab Palestinian and the Jewish Immigrant.
3. During the period between 1920 and 1948, there was no European Invasion of the Territory under Mandate.

• Welcome or not welcome the Jewish Immigration. Well we will never know what the outcome might have been if the Arabs of Palestine had adopted measures of peace. All we know is the outcome as the Arab Palestinians adopted the strategy of conflict.
• During the period between 1920 and 1948, the Allied Powers nor the Council having the responsibility for the Government of Palestine:

∆ There was not policy of displacement outlined in the Mandate.
∆ The Mandate explicitly protected the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.
4. No matter what the Jewish Organizations called it in the year preceding the Great War, no matter what voice they may used, the fact of the matter is that the Ottoman/Turks did not surrender and renounce the title and claim to the territory, to the Jewish in any way shape or form.
Neither the Mandatory Government, or the League Council, or their successors, condoned any planned displacement. The displacement out the outbreak of hostilities was a rear area operations security measures to remove Arab League aggressors, and those that supported the Arab League aggressor out from behind Israeli Forces and in from of the Forward Edge of the Battle. "Displaced" is the correct term to use --- in that --- none of the displaced were made to leave the former territory under the Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
No matter how much you stamp your feet and wail, Israel was a colonial project.

1. Liberia was never a U.S. protectorate. It was a private colonial project with less Governmental interaction than the European colony in Palestine. The ACS, was a private organization supported by American politicians and received private and government contributions. Just as the two other colonies in Africa, the Mississippi-in-Africa established by the Mississippi Colonization Society and the Republic of Maryland established by the Maryland State Colonization Society. All were colonial projects, just like Israel.

2. The Jewish organizations defined themselves as colonists during the Mandate period, after the Great War. I don't know what you are talking about.

3. The European invaders began expelling the native Palestinians well before the Arab armies intervened in attempt to stop the Jews from ethnically cleansing all the non-Jews from Palestine. The Arab Army intervention prevented the Jews from expelling or murdering all the non-Jews, as recently declassified British reports confirm.

To wit:

"The documents, which have a remarkable contemporary resonance, reveal how British officials looked on as Jewish settlers took over more and more Arab land.

"In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks on UK forces and Arab fighters, the Colonial Office papers show....

Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance, and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'.

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

Those are the facts, quit doing your usual historical revisionism act.
 
montelatici, et al,

Well, you are something...

No matter how much you stamp your feet and wail, Israel was a colonial project.
(COMMENT)

There was no colonial power behind the Jewish Immigration. It was a objective in the Mandate.

1. Liberia was never a U.S. protectorate. It was a private colonial project with less Governmental interaction than the European colony in Palestine. The ACS, was a private organization supported by American politicians and received private and government contributions. Just as the two other colonies in Africa, the Mississippi-in-Africa established by the Mississippi Colonization Society and the Republic of Maryland established by the Maryland State Colonization Society. All were colonial projects, just like Israel.
(COMMENT)

Only part of this is correct.

By the 1840s, Liberia had become a financial burden on the ACS. In addition, Liberia faced political threats, chiefly from Britain, because it was neither a sovereign power nor a bona fide colony of any sovereign nation. Because the United States refused to claim sovereignty over Liberia, in 1846 the ACS ordered the Liberians to proclaim their independence.
History of Liberia - Global Security

Under pressure from Britain, the United States hesitantly accepted Liberian sovereignty, making the West African nation the first democratic republic in African history.
Liberian Independence 1847

For the purpose of helping to understand American influence I will include some of these places here and the times in which it is generally accepted that their political systems were under significant influence of the United States. Liberia 1820 - 1865
Territories, Possessions, and Influenced Areas of the United States of America

"Liberia was under control and as protectorate of United States."
History of Liberia, Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2. The Jewish organizations defined themselves as colonists during the Mandate period, after the Great War. I don't know what you are talking about.
(COMMENT)

You are attempting to use the term "colonist" and "colonialist" with the implication that the Jewish People planned from the very beginning to displace the Arab Palestinian. That is simply not true. You are twisting the fact to fit your agenda. The displacement was an evolved outcome largely do to the threat that the Arab Palestinian posed to Israeli Sovereignty.

3. The European invaders began expelling the native Palestinians well before the Arab armies intervened in attempt to stop the Jews from ethnically cleansing all the non-Jews from Palestine. The Arab Army intervention prevented the Jews from expelling or murdering all the non-Jews, as recently declassified British reports confirm.

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

Those are the facts, quit doing your usual historical revisionism act.
(COMMENT)

All kinds of people predicted a war would erupt in that time period. That became common knowledge and an expectation as the individual states of the Arab League made their threats to the UN.

The prediction of War and Combat Outcomes is the meat and potatoes of the G-2. Certainly none of the Arab League would launch an attack if they believed there was no change of success.

But this makes no difference anyway to the issue under argument:

Q: Did the Jewish Immigrants originally plan for the forced displacement of Arab Palestinians?
A: The answer is NO.

Jewish immigrants had no idea what recommendations would be made unit the UN Special Committee of Palestine made its recommendations; triggering a conflict between the two main factions of Palestine.
It was the demonstrated threat presented by the Arab Palestinian that set the conditions for the newly created Jewish State of Israel to secure its rear area.
Most Respectfully,
R
 
1. Global Security, which is the only reliable source is correct, Liberia was never a protectorate of the United States. Neither were the other two Maryland and Mississippi sponsored colonies, by the way.

2. The Zionists have always planned to remove the Christians and Muslims from Palestine.

As early as 1895 with Theodor Herzl:

"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. "

Zionist Quotes

and as late as the 1950s:

"The largest and most comprehensive plan, involving the transfer of thousands of Christian Arabs from Galilee to Argentina and Brazil, was given the secret codename “Operation Yohanan,” named for Yohanan from Gush Halav ‏(John of Giscala‏), a leader of the Jewish revolt against the Romans in the first Jewish-Roman war. The plan was devised in the utmost secrecy in backroom meetings in the Prime Minister’s Office and the Foreign Ministry, with Weitz’s aid. Foreign Ministry documents from the early 1950s show that it was actually Sharett, known for his moderate views, who encouraged the plan, even though he was concerned about the Church’s response when it became apparent that a large portion of the leavers were Christians.

read more: Revealed from archive: Israel's secret plan to resettle Arab refugees - Magazine

And many other plans in between, including the Plan Dalet.

Israel was a colonial project, stop making a fool of yourself, your deflection and misrepresentation is transparent to me.

You really haven't a clue Rocco.

 

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