yep no controlled demolition of bld 7 or lost libertys since 9/11 alright

Actually, you don't have to believe in the controlled demolition of building 7 to realize that the patriot act took away our rights.

That is, actually, my point. I should have used a quote of the OP, since I was speaking to that.

9/11IJ is the one who seems to be trying to connect the two, despite the fact they are completely separate issues.

Without 9/11, there would be no Patriot Act.

How has the Pat Act negatively impacted on your life? :D
 
You think the sale of debris is evidence that some weird faction of the government conspired with the Clinton administration to blow up the symbol of capitalism in the United States by synchronizing the time schedule of a bunch of crazy jihadists crashing into the Towers with planes? Are you nuts?
 
You think the sale of debris is evidence that some weird faction of the government conspired with the Clinton administration to blow up the symbol of capitalism in the United States by synchronizing the time schedule of a bunch of crazy jihadists crashing into the Towers with planes? Are you nuts?

These loons will try to make anything seem to confirm their wacky beliefs. Except of course, explain how this conspiracy was carried out. There's a reason people usually ignore them. Hint to CT's: It's not because they are afraid you're right.
 
Quote: Originally Posted by Montrovant
I like how you have connected a controlled demolition to loss of rights; trying to make it seem that if you believe in one the other must be true?



Maybe, maybe not.
It seems those who scream longest and loudest about our "lost freedoms" - and I know no one who has lost any - are the same peeps who subscribe to all manner of CTs about nefarious forces running and ruining our lives ... none of whom find America so bad they are willing to leave it. :D

Where are we suppose to go? We are the only country in the world that takes in unskilled workers to compete with our own. We are the only country in the world that takes in elderly from other countries and them puts them on welfare. The only Americans who can move from here to another country are the overly educated and the overly wealthy. Guess we are stuck here fighting to make this a better country the same way our ancestors were, except that THEY really did have a choice and chose to fight, knowing that if they failed, they'd be hung as traitors.

There are hundreds of other countries to which you can go. There are even uninhabited islands in the Pacific you could colonize.
I am happy to tell you that many retired Americans living on Soc Security are retiring abroad where the cost of living is more reasonable and elderly immigrants to this country had better have financial resources or family here because they are not eligible for benefits. It is unhealthy to blame the sadness of your life on "them." :D

Hundreds of other countries? Care to name them? I thought not. When my husband was laid off, I decided to check out other countries because if we were going to emigrate, the best time is when you don't have a job here. Too old for Australia, have to have a doctorate for New Zealand. Must have a job for Canada. Japan is right out and we have friends there. England was a possibility because I was born there, but they have the same problems we do in relation to lack of jobs and a crumbling system. Worse, they are being taken over by the Muslims and their citizens who can are leaving in droves. We couldn't even move to Mexico, not legally. Of course, a senior citizen who has a certain amount of money in the bank and a certain income can go there but you are out of work, forget it. When my job went to India, I offered to go with it. I was good at my job. I was told no, those jobs were for their citizens.

What are these uninhabited islands we can "colonize"? Seriously, I'm interested.

Meanwhile, our country takes in the dregs of all the other countries, including their elderly and they are put on disability because they "can't" work and then many of them work under the table anyway. They get subsidized housing, income, medical care, heck even Obama's illegal aunt was in subsidized housing and you're claiming that doesn't happen?
 
You think the sale of debris is evidence that some weird faction of the government conspired with the Clinton administration to blow up the symbol of capitalism in the United States by synchronizing the time schedule of a bunch of crazy jihadists crashing into the Towers with planes? Are you nuts?

These loons will try to make anything seem to confirm their wacky beliefs. Except of course, explain how this conspiracy was carried out. There's a reason people usually ignore them. Hint to CT's: It's not because they are afraid you're right.

You need a motive and a reasonable scenario to promote a conspiracy. The 9-11 inside job theorists offer neither. They just keep throwing inane junk out hoping something will stick. Take the Pearl Harbor conspiracy. You can make a good case that FDR invited the Japanese attack in order to get the US into the War. Hitler might have burned his own Reichstag building in order to channel anger against the Jews. Why would Americans destroy the World Trade Towers? To get us into a war in Iraq? That's weak. Judging by the survival rate it seems that WTC security was pretty tight. When would the alleged demolition experts be able to drill the holes needed for the explosives. President Bush was in office for about 7 months and kept most of the Clinton appointees in the intelligence agencies and we know the jihad gang was planning the operation for years. The conspiracy theorists are careful not to implicate Clinton so who could have done the job?
 
Where are we suppose to go? We are the only country in the world that takes in unskilled workers to compete with our own. We are the only country in the world that takes in elderly from other countries and them puts them on welfare. The only Americans who can move from here to another country are the overly educated and the overly wealthy. Guess we are stuck here fighting to make this a better country the same way our ancestors were, except that THEY really did have a choice and chose to fight, knowing that if they failed, they'd be hung as traitors.

There are hundreds of other countries to which you can go. There are even uninhabited islands in the Pacific you could colonize.
I am happy to tell you that many retired Americans living on Soc Security are retiring abroad where the cost of living is more reasonable and elderly immigrants to this country had better have financial resources or family here because they are not eligible for benefits. It is unhealthy to blame the sadness of your life on "them." :D

Hundreds of other countries? Care to name them? I thought not. When my husband was laid off, I decided to check out other countries because if we were going to emigrate, the best time is when you don't have a job here. Too old for Australia, have to have a doctorate for New Zealand. Must have a job for Canada. Japan is right out and we have friends there. England was a possibility because I was born there, but they have the same problems we do in relation to lack of jobs and a crumbling system. Worse, they are being taken over by the Muslims and their citizens who can are leaving in droves. We couldn't even move to Mexico, not legally. Of course, a senior citizen who has a certain amount of money in the bank and a certain income can go there but you are out of work, forget it. When my job went to India, I offered to go with it. I was good at my job. I was told no, those jobs were for their citizens.

What are these uninhabited islands we can "colonize"? Seriously, I'm interested.

Meanwhile, our country takes in the dregs of all the other countries, including their elderly and they are put on disability because they "can't" work and then many of them work under the table anyway. They get subsidized housing, income, medical care, heck even Obama's illegal aunt was in subsidized housing and you're claiming that doesn't happen?

Indeed, they are not eligible for welfare. I'm sorry about your difficulties but they are not the fault some flood of elderly immigrants to this country. Here's a few of those islands but none have Starbucks. Sorry:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=..._BuGlN_uqEm5Thgxlz_Lw&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.dmQ
 
You think the sale of debris is evidence that some weird faction of the government conspired with the Clinton administration to blow up the symbol of capitalism in the United States by synchronizing the time schedule of a bunch of crazy jihadists crashing into the Towers with planes? Are you nuts?

These loons will try to make anything seem to confirm their wacky beliefs. Except of course, explain how this conspiracy was carried out. There's a reason people usually ignore them. Hint to CT's: It's not because they are afraid you're right.

You need a motive and a reasonable scenario to promote a conspiracy. The 9-11 inside job theorists offer neither. They just keep throwing inane junk out hoping something will stick. Take the Pearl Harbor conspiracy. You can make a good case that FDR invited the Japanese attack in order to get the US into the War. Hitler might have burned his own Reichstag building in order to channel anger against the Jews. Why would Americans destroy the World Trade Towers? To get us into a war in Iraq? That's weak. Judging by the survival rate it seems that WTC security was pretty tight. When would the alleged demolition experts be able to drill the holes needed for the explosives. President Bush was in office for about 7 months and kept most of the Clinton appointees in the intelligence agencies and we know the jihad gang was planning the operation for years. The conspiracy theorists are careful not to implicate Clinton so who could have done the job?

On the other hand it is easy to discern the motives of the CTs themselves. :D
 
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Jamie Dimon 6 Billion in botched trades, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
1,600 Trillion in Global Derivatives, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Al Capone: "Everyone knows the Markets are rigged". Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
 
You think the sale of debris is evidence that some weird faction of the government conspired with the Clinton administration to blow up the symbol of capitalism in the United States by synchronizing the time schedule of a bunch of crazy jihadists crashing into the Towers with planes? Are you nuts?

These loons will try to make anything seem to confirm their wacky beliefs. Except of course, explain how this conspiracy was carried out. There's a reason people usually ignore them. Hint to CT's: It's not because they are afraid you're right.

I love how all you frady cat deniars cover your ears and eyes everytime we show you these videos showing what chickenshit cowards you are cause the truth scares you.Oh and thanks for ignoring facts how they illegally destroyed and removed evidence as well.:clap2::clap2:
 
You think the sale of debris is evidence that some weird faction of the government conspired with the Clinton administration to blow up the symbol of capitalism in the United States by synchronizing the time schedule of a bunch of crazy jihadists crashing into the Towers with planes? Are you nuts?

These loons will try to make anything seem to confirm their wacky beliefs. Except of course, explain how this conspiracy was carried out. There's a reason people usually ignore them. Hint to CT's: It's not because they are afraid you're right.

You need a motive and a reasonable scenario to promote a conspiracy. The 9-11 inside job theorists offer neither. They just keep throwing inane junk out hoping something will stick. Take the Pearl Harbor conspiracy. You can make a good case that FDR invited the Japanese attack in order to get the US into the War. Hitler might have burned his own Reichstag building in order to channel anger against the Jews. Why would Americans destroy the World Trade Towers? To get us into a war in Iraq? That's weak. Judging by the survival rate it seems that WTC security was pretty tight. When would the alleged demolition experts be able to drill the holes needed for the explosives. President Bush was in office for about 7 months and kept most of the Clinton appointees in the intelligence agencies and we know the jihad gang was planning the operation for years. The conspiracy theorists are careful not to implicate Clinton so who could have done the job?

Yes we do its just you always run off everytime we post it for you.:cuckoo: thanks for demonstrating your ignorance saying it was americans.It was evil powerful people in the CIA and mossad that did it,the evidence is overwhelming in these two videos in my first post on this thread here.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...solved-names-connections-details-exposed.html


but your so afraid of the truth you wont look at it and will mock it as a youtube video.:cuckoo: No whats weak is your pitiful posts ignoring facts we post for you running off with your tail between your legs everytime we answer these questions for you.:lol::clap2::clap2: the demolition work was done months in advance,there were many signs in hallways that said-keep out construction work going on.The agents used service elevaters to get to floors to do their construction work to plant the explosives.the employees did not have acceess to these service elevater the agents used to plant the explosives.

security was horrible.Marvin Bush and his cousin were in charge of the security along with zionst jew larry Silverstein idiot.Silverstein,Bush and Cheney all profited from the wars in Iraq and afghaninstan.Many surviviors reported very unusual construction going on.if you would ever look at an opposing view than your own,you would know this.

oh and your also obviously ignorant how the neocons in the Bush administration had plenty to gain by this.we have explained this to you HUNDREDS of times before but you just innore it and ask the same stupid questions over and over again which is the neocons in the Bush administration needed 9/11 for their pretext for war.in the PNAC document drawn up in 1999,they talked about trying to get support from the american people to invade Iraq but they mentioned that it would take a pearl harbour event to pull it off and get support from the american people. you wont read these links below of of course but this explains it all for you.get your head out of your ass.

http://ian56.blogspot.com/2012/12/p...2/pnacs-neocon-agenda-continues-unabated.html




and and we have told you MILLIONS of times as well that Bushs pal and long time friend Clinton is involved in this as much as they are,you just ignore it all the time and always run off.

oh and Im not a conspiracy theorist,I am a conspiracy REALIST.Unlike you,I dont go into it only seeing what i want to see like you loyal Bush dupes do.You guys ignore evidence and facts that dont go along with thwe governments version because you all are a buch of COINCIDENCE THEORISTS.
 
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You think the sale of debris is evidence that some weird faction of the government conspired with the Clinton administration to blow up the symbol of capitalism in the United States by synchronizing the time schedule of a bunch of crazy jihadists crashing into the Towers with planes? Are you nuts?

These loons will try to make anything seem to confirm their wacky beliefs. Except of course, explain how this conspiracy was carried out. There's a reason people usually ignore them. Hint to CT's: It's not because they are afraid you're right.

You need a motive and a reasonable scenario to promote a conspiracy. The 9-11 inside job theorists offer neither. They just keep throwing inane junk out hoping something will stick. Take the Pearl Harbor conspiracy. You can make a good case that FDR invited the Japanese attack in order to get the US into the War. Hitler might have burned his own Reichstag building in order to channel anger against the Jews. Why would Americans destroy the World Trade Towers? To get us into a war in Iraq? That's weak. Judging by the survival rate it seems that WTC security was pretty tight. When would the alleged demolition experts be able to drill the holes needed for the explosives. President Bush was in office for about 7 months and kept most of the Clinton appointees in the intelligence agencies and we know the jihad gang was planning the operation for years. The conspiracy theorists are careful not to implicate Clinton so who could have done the job?

There are motives and much to read and research about their possibilities, that make more sense then the fanatical jihadists doing coke and watching porn attacking us at the behest of their leaders who hate us for our freedumbs storyline.
That was a good one wasn't it? In order to protect us from further terrorists attacks, simply infringing on those freedumbs we are hated for should work...
What insanely asinine logic...
Seems like the official conspiracy nuts don't see the irony in this, nor do they appear to have taken the time to study the whole 9-11 conspiracy, as told by the state, or the objections to it with any real objectivity.
 
These loons will try to make anything seem to confirm their wacky beliefs. Except of course, explain how this conspiracy was carried out. There's a reason people usually ignore them. Hint to CT's: It's not because they are afraid you're right.

You need a motive and a reasonable scenario to promote a conspiracy. The 9-11 inside job theorists offer neither. They just keep throwing inane junk out hoping something will stick. Take the Pearl Harbor conspiracy. You can make a good case that FDR invited the Japanese attack in order to get the US into the War. Hitler might have burned his own Reichstag building in order to channel anger against the Jews. Why would Americans destroy the World Trade Towers? To get us into a war in Iraq? That's weak. Judging by the survival rate it seems that WTC security was pretty tight. When would the alleged demolition experts be able to drill the holes needed for the explosives. President Bush was in office for about 7 months and kept most of the Clinton appointees in the intelligence agencies and we know the jihad gang was planning the operation for years. The conspiracy theorists are careful not to implicate Clinton so who could have done the job?

Yes we do its just you always run off everytime we post it for you.:cuckoo: thanks for demonstrating your ignorance saying it was americans.It was evil powerful people in the CIA and mossad that did it,the evidence is overwhelming in these two videos in my first post on this thread here.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...solved-names-connections-details-exposed.html


but your so afraid of the truth you wont look at it and will mock it as a youtube video.:cuckoo: No whats weak is your pitiful posts ignoring facts we post for you running off with your tail between your legs everytime we answer these questions for you.:lol::clap2::clap2: the demolition work was done months in advance,there were many signs in hallways that said-keep out construction work going on.The agents used service elevaters to get to floors to do their construction work to plant the explosives.the employees did not have acceess to these service elevater the agents used to plant the explosives.

security was horrible.Marvin Bush and his cousin were in charge of the security along with zionst jew larry Silverstein idiot.Silverstein,Bush and Cheney all profited from the wars in Iraq and afghaninstan.Many surviviors reported very unusual construction going on.if you would ever look at an opposing view than your own,you would know this.

oh and your also obviously ignorant how the neocons in the Bush administration had plenty to gain by this.we have explained this to you HUNDREDS of times before but you just innore it and ask the same stupid questions over and over again which is the neocons in the Bush administration needed 9/11 for their pretext for war.in the PNAC document drawn up in 1999,they talked about trying to get support from the american people to invade Iraq but they mentioned that it would take a pearl harbour event to pull it off and get support from the american people. you wont read these links below of of course but this explains it all for you.get your head out of your ass.

Ian56: PNAC's neocon agenda continues unabated under Barack Obama

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsjH3UFS9Js]911 Whodunnitt You Decide.. PNAC info in Description. - YouTube[/ame]


and and we have told you MILLIONS of times as well that Bushs pal and long time friend Clinton is involved in this as much as they are,you just ignore it all the time and always run off.

oh and Im not a conspiracy theorist,I am a conspiracy REALIST.Unlike you,I dont go into it only seeing what i want to see like you loyal Bush dupes do.You guys ignore evidence and facts that dont go along with thwe governments version because you all are a buch of COINCIDENCE THEORISTS.

Silverstein, a NY real estate developer profited from the war? It is clear why no one here - not even your fellow CTs - talks to you or gives you any respect despite your many attempts to engage them ... you are a flaming loon. :D
 
You need a motive and a reasonable scenario to promote a conspiracy. The 9-11 inside job theorists offer neither. They just keep throwing inane junk out hoping something will stick. Take the Pearl Harbor conspiracy. You can make a good case that FDR invited the Japanese attack in order to get the US into the War. Hitler might have burned his own Reichstag building in order to channel anger against the Jews. Why would Americans destroy the World Trade Towers? To get us into a war in Iraq? That's weak. Judging by the survival rate it seems that WTC security was pretty tight. When would the alleged demolition experts be able to drill the holes needed for the explosives. President Bush was in office for about 7 months and kept most of the Clinton appointees in the intelligence agencies and we know the jihad gang was planning the operation for years. The conspiracy theorists are careful not to implicate Clinton so who could have done the job?

Yes we do its just you always run off everytime we post it for you.:cuckoo: thanks for demonstrating your ignorance saying it was americans.It was evil powerful people in the CIA and mossad that did it,the evidence is overwhelming in these two videos in my first post on this thread here.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...solved-names-connections-details-exposed.html


but your so afraid of the truth you wont look at it and will mock it as a youtube video.:cuckoo: No whats weak is your pitiful posts ignoring facts we post for you running off with your tail between your legs everytime we answer these questions for you.:lol::clap2::clap2: the demolition work was done months in advance,there were many signs in hallways that said-keep out construction work going on.The agents used service elevaters to get to floors to do their construction work to plant the explosives.the employees did not have acceess to these service elevater the agents used to plant the explosives.

security was horrible.Marvin Bush and his cousin were in charge of the security along with zionst jew larry Silverstein idiot.Silverstein,Bush and Cheney all profited from the wars in Iraq and afghaninstan.Many surviviors reported very unusual construction going on.if you would ever look at an opposing view than your own,you would know this.

oh and your also obviously ignorant how the neocons in the Bush administration had plenty to gain by this.we have explained this to you HUNDREDS of times before but you just innore it and ask the same stupid questions over and over again which is the neocons in the Bush administration needed 9/11 for their pretext for war.in the PNAC document drawn up in 1999,they talked about trying to get support from the american people to invade Iraq but they mentioned that it would take a pearl harbour event to pull it off and get support from the american people. you wont read these links below of of course but this explains it all for you.get your head out of your ass.

Ian56: PNAC's neocon agenda continues unabated under Barack Obama

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsjH3UFS9Js]911 Whodunnitt You Decide.. PNAC info in Description. - YouTube[/ame]


and and we have told you MILLIONS of times as well that Bushs pal and long time friend Clinton is involved in this as much as they are,you just ignore it all the time and always run off.

oh and Im not a conspiracy theorist,I am a conspiracy REALIST.Unlike you,I dont go into it only seeing what i want to see like you loyal Bush dupes do.You guys ignore evidence and facts that dont go along with thwe governments version because you all are a buch of COINCIDENCE THEORISTS.

Silverstein, a NY real estate developer profited from the war? It is clear why no one here - not even your fellow CTs - talks to you or gives you any respect despite your many attempts to engage them ... you are a flaming loon. :D

Silverstein made out well, and so did his BFF Nuttyahoo, who even admitted the 9-11 attacks were good for Isntreal. Wow, what the fuck are you even doing here, go study the topic... poobut :razz:
 
Yes we do its just you always run off everytime we post it for you.:cuckoo: thanks for demonstrating your ignorance saying it was americans.It was evil powerful people in the CIA and mossad that did it,the evidence is overwhelming in these two videos in my first post on this thread here.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...solved-names-connections-details-exposed.html


but your so afraid of the truth you wont look at it and will mock it as a youtube video.:cuckoo: No whats weak is your pitiful posts ignoring facts we post for you running off with your tail between your legs everytime we answer these questions for you.:lol::clap2::clap2: the demolition work was done months in advance,there were many signs in hallways that said-keep out construction work going on.The agents used service elevaters to get to floors to do their construction work to plant the explosives.the employees did not have acceess to these service elevater the agents used to plant the explosives.

security was horrible.Marvin Bush and his cousin were in charge of the security along with zionst jew larry Silverstein idiot.Silverstein,Bush and Cheney all profited from the wars in Iraq and afghaninstan.Many surviviors reported very unusual construction going on.if you would ever look at an opposing view than your own,you would know this.

oh and your also obviously ignorant how the neocons in the Bush administration had plenty to gain by this.we have explained this to you HUNDREDS of times before but you just innore it and ask the same stupid questions over and over again which is the neocons in the Bush administration needed 9/11 for their pretext for war.in the PNAC document drawn up in 1999,they talked about trying to get support from the american people to invade Iraq but they mentioned that it would take a pearl harbour event to pull it off and get support from the american people. you wont read these links below of of course but this explains it all for you.get your head out of your ass.

Ian56: PNAC's neocon agenda continues unabated under Barack Obama

911 Whodunnitt You Decide.. PNAC info in Description. - YouTube


and and we have told you MILLIONS of times as well that Bushs pal and long time friend Clinton is involved in this as much as they are,you just ignore it all the time and always run off.

oh and Im not a conspiracy theorist,I am a conspiracy REALIST.Unlike you,I dont go into it only seeing what i want to see like you loyal Bush dupes do.You guys ignore evidence and facts that dont go along with thwe governments version because you all are a buch of COINCIDENCE THEORISTS.

Silverstein, a NY real estate developer profited from the war? It is clear why no one here - not even your fellow CTs - talks to you or gives you any respect despite your many attempts to engage them ... you are a flaming loon. :D

Silverstein made out well, and so did his BFF Nuttyahoo, who even admitted the 9-11 attacks were good for Isntreal. Wow, what the fuck are you even doing here, go study the topic... poobut :razz:

The value of the WTC rose by 6% per annum from 01 through 07, less than the rate of return of the average Manhattan commercial building.

But I'm betting you didn't know that.
 
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The point remains that trying to "prove" the 9/11 CT by concocting BS about Silverstein's "profit" is bogus. :D
Until someone or a group, comes forward with absolutely rock solid damning evidence of a 9/11 conspiracy, that's all yer gonna' get: Circumstantial Evidence that when viewed by it's self seems normal but when viewed on a timeline or perhaps in conjunction with other evidence points at something other than the "Official Story" pushed by the Gov't and Mass Media.

It's not one thing, but it's the totality of evidence that makes me certain the Gov't isn't telling the full truth about 9/11.

That doesn't make me a Conspiracy Theorist, it just makes me Observant.

Hey, the Gov't pushes a food pyramid that keeps people fat, then pushes pills that have huge side effects to remedy the problems caused by the food that the Gov't promoted in the first place! Why should I listen to them? They have a poor track record of success and telling the truth.

So when two planes crash into buildings and kill 3,000 people on 9/11 and the Govt wants to go to War as a result, don't I have the right to examine ALL the Gov'ts Evidence they have?

Am I a "nutter" for not completely trusting the same Gov't that lied us into Vietnam? Robert McNamara waited until 1995 to say that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident didn't happen the way it was reported.

Am I supposed to wait 30 years to question all the evidence used to send our Military to War? :confused:
 

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