Yemeni Regime falling- President seaches for negotiated Exit

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    So, Yemen, a place where in we have long standing ongoing genuine national security (self) interests and investments the president ( Saleh) , has been trying to negotiate a way out after having several major units defect from his army to the 'other side', whatever that other side is, it appears the other side is, well, being known to, or having declared opposition to Saleh......we really don't know anything about the other sides motives because we have been side tracked over the last several weeks by Libya, a place I might add that does not require nor have we invested in an ongoing Nat. Security self interest and investment.

    I am almost tempted to believe that Obama purposely got involved with the Libya, (which is by far the easiest, simplest situation to handle), so as to deflect and detract, shooting his load so to speak, knowing that he simply cannot construct any scenario where in he would get even a modicum of coalition or homegrown sppt. that he would need to employ ala Bahrain or Yemen, no matter how comparably more important they are to sleepy Libya.

    He is thereby avoiding the really hard choices and infinitely more difficult footwork that those 2 nations demand politically and diplomatically.

    In either case, he has displayed horrible judgment.



    Yemen President Saleh's regime near falling
    Press Trust Of India
    Posted on Mar 21, 2011 at 06:32pm IST

    Dubai: Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh's 32-year-old iron fisted rule appeared to be tottering on Monday after three army generals, including his longtime confidant, defected, asking him to step down and deployed tanks and armoured vehicles to protect the protesters.

    Maj Gen Ali Mohsen Saleh, who belongs to President's influential 'Hashid' tribe and is commander of the army's powerful 1st Armoured Division, publicly announced his defection, al Jazeera reported.

    Simultaneously with defections in the army, al Jazeera said the governor of Yemen's southern province of Aden, Ahmad Qaatabi, had also joined the protesters.

    Yemen President Saleh's regime near falling - World News - IBNLive
     
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    don't you get bored always blaming the president for what he does; for what he doesn't do; for the way he talks; for being elected.... ...


    and so on and so on and shoobie doobie doobie...
     
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    The bitterness is pretty apparent.
     
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    Sitting on the sidelines munching on peanuts and criticizing the folks actually in the action is normal human reaction and has been since the days of Rome when people made catcalls at the gladiators.

    And of course, the praise of the mob is equally undeserved.

    Obama makes jokes easier than plaudits. The whole conflagration in the mid east over this winter would try the greatest intelligence. In the future, wise historians will review what Obama has done this winter, and do almost anything else.
     
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    :lol:
    Says the #1 Bush basher.
    Doesn't the hypocrisy finally become so apparent that you can't pull it off anymore ?
     
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    I believe if there is a change in government in Yemen it will be anti-western and allied with Iran. It would be a blow to our war against terrorism since this is one place where they have been training and it also poses some problems with the anti-piracy operations in the area. IT could also pose problems for the Saudi's to the north and Omani's to the East, the 2 countries who have a physical border with them.

    I doubt you will see a democratic government there!
     
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    I think a case can be made to back up my analysis and unless you have not noticed I am FAR from alone, even from the side of the number line that he usually calls his base. ...in fact, I have given him props on occasion as well.I don't recall any ad hominem from you then......;)

    I am of course always willing, unlike you apparently, to discuss it on its merits and will entertain any sensible back and forth ....thx for dropping by though.

    :eusa_eh:the way he talks? :rolleyes:...
     
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    :lol:thx for weighing in....:clap2:
     
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    and the beat goes on. THIS is where we should be focusing our attention ( and Bahrain).

    Anyway, I guess the " Kinetic Military Action" ( the up and coming euphemism they are floating, borrowed from... wait for it......Rumsfeld :lol:) in Libya has their hands full.


    Opposition, pro-regime clashes in Yemen
    Published: March. 24, 2011 at 1:06 PM

    SANAA, Yemen, March 24 (UPI) -- Opposition fighters in Yemen clashed with government forces in the east of the country as London said it pulled most of its staff out of the country.

    Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh is clinging to power as calls for his resignation mount. Saleh declared a state of emergency Wednesday though clashes erupted in the east of the country by Thursday, al-Jazeera reports.

    Opposition groups continue to dismiss Saleh's concessions and tribal groups announced Thursday they were backing the anti-government movement, a move echoed by many of the country's top generals.


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    Meanwhile, authorities in Dubai said they intercepted about 16,000 pistols headed to Yemen from Turkey.

    Read more: Opposition, pro-regime clashes in Yemen - UPI.com
     
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    The real key piece is Syria. Putting the area in terms of Chess, Libya and Yemen are like rooks in the chess game that is taking place in the region. Egypt (a Bishop) has already fallen, Syria (Another bishop) is starting to feel the uprisings. (Do we send in airstrikes there if the Army starts killing Syrians?) The other 2 major pieces are Saudi Arabia (the King) and Iran (the Queen.) Jordan and Lebanon are knights, while Kuwait, Bahrain and Morocco and the other principalities are the equivalent of pawns.

    That is the pecking order of importance and it begs the question, "In the end will all of them fall?" Remember the war in Southeast Asia and the talk about Vietnam becoming the first domino to fall? Is this what we are seeing here. Back then we had three major powers vying for power and providing support. Today the only major power is us and we are rudderless on a violent and turbulent sea. We have no direction, no sense of purpose and the last time this happened was during the Carter years when Iran and Central America became hotbeds of revolt.
     

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