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  1. CueUp
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    and I'm grateful to be here.

    I guess you could characterize me as an Independent Libertarian with conservative leanings.
     
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    Oh great!

    The Independent Libertarians with conservative leanings who came before you are growing listless and unresponsive from the abuse they're taking.

    Three times since before the cock crowed they swore they never heard of Geoge W. Bush.

    I think they're losing their religion.
     
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    Sarah G When Nothing Goes Right, Go Left Supporting Member

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    Yeah, where'd those guys go anyway... :eusa_think:

    Anyway, welcome.
     
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    Captain Ron Si Vis Pacis Para Bellum

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    That's OK Cueup, conservatives take abuse better than liberals. I'm still loyal to Bush and getting more loyal every day. Everytime BHO makes another socialist move my wish for the good old days of Bush grow stronger.
     
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    [SIZE="4"] The good old days? Doll, when were those? [/SIZE]
     
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    Not good enough. You need to explain why. I'm so bloody sick of seeing posts with blanket statements like Obama sucks, Obama is a Socialist, Obama is [fill in adjective], and expecting those kinds of lame comments to actually sway anyone.

    There are some things that have disturbed me about the incoming administration, but I suppose I take the more human position which is nobody's going to be perfect in that job even under the best of circumstances, and I am willing to give the man a chance to turn the country around. After all, that's why he was elected in the first place because of the loudly voiced public opinion that the country was headed in the wrong direction. Add the fact that Obama walked into an economic crisis of enormous proportion, and I believe that the constant criticism of every single thing he does is unrealistic and really, really petty.

    And please don't tell me the same thing happened to Bush, because it didn't. Bush actually did very little during his first 100 days (a milestone of sorts), he was not nearly as visible to the American people, and with the exception of the sore losers over Al Gore, most dems just shrugged. Bush's popularity didn't start waning until he redirected war efforts from Afghanistan to Iraq.
     
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    Funny. Those are the very sorts of "arguments" I've been used to getting from liberals not just where it concerns George Bush, but where it concerns just about any issue. It's rare that I've gotten anyone of that ilk to argue with me productively on much of anything. Maybe I'll get lucky here.


    I'm curious...what things would those be?

    I've got to take issue with you. After 9/11, I thought Bush reacted quite well...speedily and decisively. The Obama administration has done no such thing. It has (while handling a situation that it knew was going to be there before the man took office), been ineffectual at best, and damned destructive of the economy and of our individual freedoms at worst.

    By turning it toward socialism? Yeah, I know...you're bloody sick and tired of hearing about Obama and socialism, but I think the argument is a fair one. The policies he's been enacting, and the opinions he's been voicing are, indeed, socialistic in nature. Since you're not used to people who don't like Obama giving you cogent reasons for the "socialist" argument, let me try lobbing just a couple of examples at you:

    -There’s abuse of power between the Gov and Private industry already. Take the attempts in Congress right now to cap salaries in companies that get bailout money (even banks that never wanted or needed it). Have you heard the latest...that Mr. Obama threatened the auto company execs with this statement "My administration is the only thing standing between you and the pitchforks"?

    -the fact that Geithner has already expressed a desire to wield the power to cap the salaries of *everyone* in a company receiving bailout money, and even to extend that power to companies which have NOT taken bailout money


    -The overt adherence to the notion of "redistribution of wealth" which he is about achieving through oppressive taxation


    No. He was elected in the first place because the media failed to do its job and let him have a pass: on his shady alliances with the likes of Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, et. al., , on his less than clear birth record; on his Illinois voting record as pertains to infanticide and sex ed for kindergartners; on his many gaffes; on who he considered to be mentors; on how he got elected in Illinois by getting his competitors kicked off the ballot, on his outrageous statements regarding the redistribution of wealth, on the way he planned to gut the coal industry and his prediction that energy prices would rise "astronomically" as a result of his policies, and on and on and on. Obama was protected from accountability. By and large, all that was seen by the mainstream public was coverage of the most fawning ("tingle up my leg") variety. Most people are too lazy and too complacent to bother to find out the truth for themselves, and so we got Obama (and McCain as our other useless candidate).

    C'mon! Poor old GWB never caught a break for eight long years. And he didn't have the mainstream media on his side, either! And leave us not forget that the economic crisis Obama "walked into" (all innocent and everything!), was created by his Democrat brethren with the inception of the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) under Jimmy Carter, its strengthening under Bill Clinton and the fact that people like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd acted as apologists for it when Bush and other Republicans tried to clean it up. Furthermore, this "crisis" was helped along considerably by the eight year long poor-mouthing of a pretty robust ecnonomy by the media and the Democrats. It's almost as if they *wanted* an economic crisis.

    Oh please. Bush never caught a break. From the git-go he was referred to as the "unelected" President. And, as I pointed out before, Obama still has the mainstream media slobbering in adoration over him. Bush never had that.
     
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    Looks like maggie had her ass handed to her :lol:
     
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    That's not quite accurate. Every liberal I know carped about and is still carping about the 2000 election. The average citizen may not have but this country, as demonstrated by the last election, isn't smart enough to figure out in the short term what socialism means.
     
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    Libertarians are necessarily anti-capitalists.

    Just to make things more entertaining.
     

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