Ya know? How about an honest discussion.

Discussion in 'Healthcare/Insurance/Govt Healthcare' started by G.T., Aug 20, 2009.

  1. G.T.
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    Some people amaze me man.

    In the spirit of politics, it was 1,000% predictable that the "opposition" party would disapprove of ANY bill proposed regarding Healthcare.

    But why can't I, an everyday non-partisan American hear some honest discussions on the subject without having to be so cynical, without having to read 1,000+ pages?

    Why does the "opposition" party oppose this thing based on 1/2 lies, and 1/2 truths? Why lie? I fucking hate liars.

    I remember when the 2006 debating began before that election, then the same in 2008. The Conservative guys like Limbaugh and Hannity ratcheted up their mean-spirited rhetoric and after some fact checks, I found they were fibbing (not all the way lies) around 50% of the time.

    I can recall thinking, ya know, these guys' attitudes and mean spirit aren't going to do any good in getting votes. Most Americans are probably good people, and don't want to hear such negative angles on every little thing. No honest discussions from these fellows, such straight oppose oppose oppose and negative viewpoints. Why? Why? Why!!

    My prediction came to fruition. The country is not as retarted as the sensationalizers and mean-spirited hosts think. Their ratings rose, because people enjoy controversial viewpoints. As their ratings rose, their voting support dropped. (odd:cuckoo:)

    Here you have this:
    FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root - Yahoo! News


    A prime example of why I, a regular assed dude, am frustrated with my Country's political discussion. It's childish, and it makes me want to :lol: off politics and pop someone in the jugular.

    So, thanks alot for the honest discussion on such an important issue in healthcare(important in my life), and yah....Obama's a nazi!! (ARGGGHHHH!)

    *grow the fuck up, political "debaters"
     
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    Why don't you mention some liberal pundits that tell "half truths" and outright "lies" and who are "mean-spirited"? You have not done anything that I've seen that resembles non-partisanship, this post is full of partisan bullshit. You want an honest discussion yet you can't be honest.
     
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    By the way Factcheck.org or whatever the fuck it's called doesn't tell the WHOLE truth. The bill doesn't say it will cover illegal immigrants, but it doesn't say it wouldn't either. The bill does provide cuts in Medicare,( 500 billion in the next ten years) which will effect senior citizens. Oh but factcheck doesn't mention that huh? How convenient.
     
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    I don't think you got the point. It's not a side vs. side discussion, it's a Discussion regarding what I've seen. That's it, that's all. Speaking from my own experience, that's it.

    The "mean spirit" on the left must not be as in my face, or effective. The Radio ratings and television ratings belong to mean-spirited, controversial conservatives. So, those are who I spoke on.
     
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    The main issue is there have been lies from both sides some so false they deserve an old fashion ass whoopin. That is the main issue you cant talk about truths when both sides are spouting lies and character attacks at each other.
     
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    Yes, it actually says that explicitly. Factcheck mentioned the section, and I looked it up in the text of the bill on opencongress.
     
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    oops!~
     
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    There's no need to be snarky. It's a bajillion page bill. Who has time for that? I consider myself pretty dedicated to reading such things, I read very fast on top of that, and I certainly haven't read the whole thing. Probably about a third of it at this point. Admittedly I haven't been here long, but Lonestar hasn't come across to me as someone who rejects valid information.

    I do strongly agree with your initial post in this thread.
     
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    He was talking about the criticism of Obama's healthcare proposals. The criticism has come from the right. Of course there is bullshit from the left as well but that wasn't the point he was making. Why not just stick to the topic? Does everything have to be full of disclaimers?
     
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    That's better.
     
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