WW2 began 79 years ago, Poland first to fight the Nazis.

Litwin · Sep 3, 2018

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Polish Fascists are also anti-German, (Typically)

Roman Dmowski the founder of Polish Fascism, and the modern Polish Nationalist period, was actually
more anti-German arguably than the Polish Jozef Pilsudski leader, who was more anti-Russian, with Pilsudski having joined Austrian Legions in the WW1 era.
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A Fascist is a Fascist....stop it.
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A Jew was about as likely to be a Nazi collaborator, if not more so than a Pole.
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I doubt that. Although certainly possible.
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The number of Jewish Ghetto Police collaborators to the Nazis numbered approx 4,000 - 6,000, as opposed to the Polish Blue Police collaborators to the Nazis numbered approx 8,000 - 16,000.

Yes, there were more Poles, but there were more Poles than Jews in Europe at the time too.

There were about 25 million ethnic Poles, and about 32 million non-Jewish people in Poland in the 1930's, there were about 9 million Jewish people in Europe in the 1930's.

So, absolutely, the figures are similar.

On a proportionate per capita basis, a Pole, and a Jew were about as likely to be Nazi collaborators.

The problem then becomes, why did Jewish historian Emanuel Ringelblum who lived his last days in the Nazi German controlled Warsaw Ghetto, specifically state that the Jewish Ghetto Police were more brutal than Polish Police Nazi collaborators, or at times even Nazi Germans themselves?
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Of course there were and are bad Jews still out there. No one ever disputed that. No ethnic group is perfect. So you quote Jewish historians when it suits you? ER also wrote very kind words about Jews that did help him and his fam.
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Roman Polanski's an ethnic Jew, so his opinions on WW2 from the Polish perspective are pretty worthless.
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It was based on a true story. LOL. And corroborated by many. Was Schindler's List not real either? LOL.
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Movie's are largely fantasy, even ones based on some reality.

As for Schindler's List depicting Polish speaking guards in the Nazi camps, almost all guards were German, and most non-Germans weren't Poles, but rather Ukrainians, or Latvians.

This is just one of numerous reasons why Poles shouldn't care for Jews.

Jewish Spielberg has falsified history in his Schindler's list.
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Victors write history. I am not sure how much more frequently I need to educate you on this.
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So, the Jews won WW2, is that what you're saying?
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Allies won WW2. Jews were on the side of the allies. Correct. My ancestors fought against the axis and won. So yes. Then the Jews also garnered their ancient homeland of Israel and won the wars of 1948 and 1967.
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millions of them were locked in GULAG and USSR small kitchens until 1986 , does it look like a victory to you?

AzogtheDefiler · Sep 3, 2018

Litwin said: ↑

AzogtheDefiler said: ↑

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AzogtheDefiler said: ↑

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A Fascist is a Fascist....stop it.
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A Jew was about as likely to be a Nazi collaborator, if not more so than a Pole.
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I doubt that. Although certainly possible.
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The number of Jewish Ghetto Police collaborators to the Nazis numbered approx 4,000 - 6,000, as opposed to the Polish Blue Police collaborators to the Nazis numbered approx 8,000 - 16,000.

Yes, there were more Poles, but there were more Poles than Jews in Europe at the time too.

There were about 25 million ethnic Poles, and about 32 million non-Jewish people in Poland in the 1930's, there were about 9 million Jewish people in Europe in the 1930's.

So, absolutely, the figures are similar.

On a proportionate per capita basis, a Pole, and a Jew were about as likely to be Nazi collaborators.

The problem then becomes, why did Jewish historian Emanuel Ringelblum who lived his last days in the Nazi German controlled Warsaw Ghetto, specifically state that the Jewish Ghetto Police were more brutal than Polish Police Nazi collaborators, or at times even Nazi Germans themselves?
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Of course there were and are bad Jews still out there. No one ever disputed that. No ethnic group is perfect. So you quote Jewish historians when it suits you? ER also wrote very kind words about Jews that did help him and his fam.
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It was based on a true story. LOL. And corroborated by many. Was Schindler's List not real either? LOL.
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Movie's are largely fantasy, even ones based on some reality.

As for Schindler's List depicting Polish speaking guards in the Nazi camps, almost all guards were German, and most non-Germans weren't Poles, but rather Ukrainians, or Latvians.

This is just one of numerous reasons why Poles shouldn't care for Jews.

Jewish Spielberg has falsified history in his Schindler's list.
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Victors write history. I am not sure how much more frequently I need to educate you on this.
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So, the Jews won WW2, is that what you're saying?
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Allies won WW2. Jews were on the side of the allies. Correct. My ancestors fought against the axis and won. So yes. Then the Jews also garnered their ancient homeland of Israel and won the wars of 1948 and 1967.
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millions of them were locked in GULAG and USSR small kitchens until 1986 , does it look like a victory to you?
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That is simply false

Odium · Sep 3, 2018

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In light of Poland being the first to fight the Nazis, there's still persistent ploys to blame Poland for the Holocaust.

Poland marks 79th anniversary of WWII outbreak

Poland marks 79th anniversary of WWII outbreak
01.09.2018 09:30
Observances commemorating the 79th anniversary of the outbreak of World War II were held in Poland at dawn on Saturday.
World War II commemorations held on Westerplatte in the coastal city of Gdańsk. Photo: PAP/Marcin Gadomski

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki attended observances held on Westerplatte in Gdańsk on the Baltic coast, where on September 1, 1939 at 4:45 am the German battleship Schleswig-Holstein began shelling a Polish military depot in the first battle between Polish and German soldiers of WWII.

Morawiecki called Westerplatte a symbolic “patch of Poland,” where Polish soldiers fought to defend their country’s independence.

“From the very first days of World War II, Polish soldiers and society changed the fate of the world; they fought to protect the free world against the enemies of freedom, Poland and Europe,” Morawiecki said.

Sirens wailed and the Polish national anthem was played at a monument honouring those who defended the Polish coast.

The week-long defence by the Poles against overwhelmingly larger German forces became a symbol of the heroism of Polish soldiers.

Observances were also held in central city of Wieluń, the first Polish town to be bombed by the Germans at 4:40 am on 1 September 1939.

In a letter read out at the ceremony President Andrzej Duda said: “Bombing a sleeping city, which had no Polish military garrison and was of no strategic importance, was a crime.”

“The destruction of houses, churches, a Protestant church, synagogue, hospital were barbaric and a dramatic harbinger of the character of World War II, which was symbolised by a mass annihilation of entire communities.”

The Wieluń observances took place at a site where there was a hospital on the day the war broke out. The war’s first bombs fell on that building, killing 32 people, including 26 patients. In all, the Germans killed around 1,200 civilians in the city that day.

Duda took part in commemorations in the northern town of Tczew, where 16 people, chiefly rail workers, were killed on September 1, 1939.

Duda said this year’s ceremonies fell on the centenary of Poland’s independence, which Poland regained on November 11, 1918, the day World War I ended, after 123 years of partition by Russia, Austria and Prussia.

He said: “The dates 1 September and 17 September [marking the Soviet invasion from the east] are a bleak reminder in this year’s 100th anniversary of Poland’s independence as these dates remind [Poles] of the time they again lost their homeland and Poland was divided between its two major enemies
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Should have given Danzig back and stopped murdering,raping and all kind of other things to the Germans living there. Hitler was RIGHT!

Markle · Sep 3, 2018

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As for Schindler's List depicting Polish speaking guards in the Nazi camps, almost all guards were German, and most non-Germans weren't Poles, but rather Ukrainians, or Latvians.
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You are misinformed. There were many Poles who helped the Nazi's in the Nazi death camps. Usually it was a futile effort to avoid death.

Sonderkommandos were prisoners who agreed to help the Germans for better treatment. They were reviled by the other prisoners as well, even though many of the Sonderkommandos were also killed. The entire panopoly of human endeavor played out in the prisons but in grotesque fashion.

https://www.quora.com/How-did-people-in-Nazi-concentration-camps-treat-each-other

Markle · Sep 3, 2018

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Poland was on the Allied side, Jews keep lying, and lying, saying Poland was on the Axis side.
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Poland was not on the side of the Axis powers, I've never heard that before. On the other hand, many Polish citizens collaborated with the Nazi's and pointed out and, in many cases, assisted in the arrests of Jews.

SobieskiSavedEurope · Sep 4, 2018

Markle said: ↑

SobieskiSavedEurope said: ↑

As for Schindler's List depicting Polish speaking guards in the Nazi camps, almost all guards were German, and most non-Germans weren't Poles, but rather Ukrainians, or Latvians.
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You are misinformed. There were many Poles who helped the Nazi's in the Nazi death camps. Usually it was a futile effort to avoid death.

Sonderkommandos were prisoners who agreed to help the Germans for better treatment. They were reviled by the other prisoners as well, even though many of the Sonderkommandos were also killed. The entire panopoly of human endeavor played out in the prisons but in grotesque fashion.

https://www.quora.com/How-did-people-in-Nazi-concentration-camps-treat-each-other
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Sonderkommandos were Jews who helped the Nazis.

SobieskiSavedEurope · Sep 4, 2018

Odium said: ↑

SobieskiSavedEurope said: ↑

In light of Poland being the first to fight the Nazis, there's still persistent ploys to blame Poland for the Holocaust.

Poland marks 79th anniversary of WWII outbreak

Poland marks 79th anniversary of WWII outbreak
01.09.2018 09:30
Observances commemorating the 79th anniversary of the outbreak of World War II were held in Poland at dawn on Saturday.
World War II commemorations held on Westerplatte in the coastal city of Gdańsk. Photo: PAP/Marcin Gadomski

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki attended observances held on Westerplatte in Gdańsk on the Baltic coast, where on September 1, 1939 at 4:45 am the German battleship Schleswig-Holstein began shelling a Polish military depot in the first battle between Polish and German soldiers of WWII.

Morawiecki called Westerplatte a symbolic “patch of Poland,” where Polish soldiers fought to defend their country’s independence.

“From the very first days of World War II, Polish soldiers and society changed the fate of the world; they fought to protect the free world against the enemies of freedom, Poland and Europe,” Morawiecki said.

Sirens wailed and the Polish national anthem was played at a monument honouring those who defended the Polish coast.

The week-long defence by the Poles against overwhelmingly larger German forces became a symbol of the heroism of Polish soldiers.

Observances were also held in central city of Wieluń, the first Polish town to be bombed by the Germans at 4:40 am on 1 September 1939.

In a letter read out at the ceremony President Andrzej Duda said: “Bombing a sleeping city, which had no Polish military garrison and was of no strategic importance, was a crime.”

“The destruction of houses, churches, a Protestant church, synagogue, hospital were barbaric and a dramatic harbinger of the character of World War II, which was symbolised by a mass annihilation of entire communities.”

The Wieluń observances took place at a site where there was a hospital on the day the war broke out. The war’s first bombs fell on that building, killing 32 people, including 26 patients. In all, the Germans killed around 1,200 civilians in the city that day.

Duda took part in commemorations in the northern town of Tczew, where 16 people, chiefly rail workers, were killed on September 1, 1939.

Duda said this year’s ceremonies fell on the centenary of Poland’s independence, which Poland regained on November 11, 1918, the day World War I ended, after 123 years of partition by Russia, Austria and Prussia.

He said: “The dates 1 September and 17 September [marking the Soviet invasion from the east] are a bleak reminder in this year’s 100th anniversary of Poland’s independence as these dates remind [Poles] of the time they again lost their homeland and Poland was divided between its two major enemies
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Should have given Danzig back and stopped murdering,raping and all kind of other things to the Germans living there. Hitler was RIGHT!
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Poland didn't really have Gdansk, anyways.

What murdering, and raping?

SobieskiSavedEurope · Sep 4, 2018

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Poland was on the Allied side, Jews keep lying, and lying, saying Poland was on the Axis side.
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Poland was not on the side of the Axis powers, I've never heard that before. On the other hand, many Polish citizens collaborated with the Nazi's and pointed out and, in many cases, assisted in the arrests of Jews.
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No, there weren't many Polish citizens who collaborated with the Nazis.

סליבן · Sep 4, 2018

I believe that all sorts of "PSHEK" and "CHUSHNYA" must substitute their ass, so that it's convenient to fuck them ...
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OsteInmar · Sep 4, 2018

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Poland was on the Allied side, Jews keep lying, and lying, saying Poland was on the Axis side.
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Poland was not on the side of the Axis powers, I've never heard that before. On the other hand, many Polish citizens collaborated with the Nazi's and pointed out and, in many cases, assisted in the arrests of Jews.
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Quite right.
If you read the history of Poland, then, even under Soviet power, the Poles hated the Jews ...
Look for 1946?

But..
What are we talking about Jews?
Can we look about Ukraine?
How did the Poles treat Ukrainians?

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